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Post by discokaraoke on Jul 30, 2015 21:36:52 GMT
We've strengthen the N'Zonzi position. You what now?! That's 100% then, Van Ginkel is the new N'Zonzi, only better? Alan Hudson rates him, but wtf does he know? Don't know who's opinion to take, yours or Alan Hudsons.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 30, 2015 21:45:03 GMT
Until we see if N'Zonzi has been replaced, we have a weaker starting 11. Oh, and in Les we trust but he is only human! We've strengthen the N'Zonzi position. Sorry Tom but that is bollocks imo,none of us know yet whether MVG is good enough to replace him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 21:47:21 GMT
We've strengthen the N'Zonzi position. Sorry Tom but that is bollocks imo,none of us know yet whether MVG is good enough to replace him. It's just an opinion mate. Same as other people's opinions that we've moved backwards with our signings.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 30, 2015 21:49:26 GMT
Sorry Tom but that is bollocks imo,none of us know yet whether MVG is good enough to replace him. It's just an opinion mate. Same as other people's opinions that we've moved backwards with our signings. Fair enough mate and i hope your right by the way.
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Post by petemac on Jul 30, 2015 21:49:34 GMT
We've strengthen the N'Zonzi position. Sorry Tom but that is bollocks imo,none of us know yet whether MVG is good enough to replace him. That is very true but he certainly has a better pedigree coming to Stoke. Fonz came from a relegated Blackburn. It also took him time to kinda blend in
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Post by mart57 on Jul 30, 2015 21:52:13 GMT
Wagstand.
Isn't that a spelling mistake. I'm sure it should be Wankstain
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 30, 2015 21:55:11 GMT
Sorry Tom but that is bollocks imo,none of us know yet whether MVG is good enough to replace him. That is very true but he certainly has a better pedigree coming to Stoke. Fonz came from a relegated Blackburn. It also took him time to kinda blend in Yes and MVG will need that same time and understanding that was afforded to N'Zonzi to start with.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2015 22:01:29 GMT
You what now?! That's 100% then, Van Ginkel is the new N'Zonzi, only better? Alan Hudson rates him, but wtf does he know? Don't know who's opinion to take, yours or Alan Hudsons. I rate him but is he going to be the ever present glue in the 2-3 midfield set up that N'Zonzi was?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 30, 2015 22:02:50 GMT
We've strengthen the N'Zonzi position. Sorry Tom but that is bollocks imo,none of us know yet whether MVG is good enough to replace him. Even if he is good enough and that is a big if he is not our player, he belongs to Chelski let's not lose sight of that fact.
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Post by pottermouth on Jul 30, 2015 22:07:16 GMT
Made loads of signings in the window but having recouped £10 million from sale of Nzonzi and Huth we have a negative net spend of around £2 million.. We are in the lowest five spenders in the prem. I'm all for getting bargains when they are available but sooner or later lack of proper investment will catch up with us. It's no point linking us to all these big name players if we can't get these deals over the line. Either we are too unatractive to top players or we are not in the big league when it comes to paying the wages. Still need top winger, 20 goal a season striker and a proper replacement for Huth. Small time thinking regarding ground expansion and also transfer activity.. Come on Coatesy and Scholes, don't sit on your hands when we have the opportunity of a lifetime to get to the next level ! I have been very underwhelmed by this transfer window for Stoke. Buying freebies who are crocks or past it does not bode well. Also selling the three best players was ridiculous in the extreme. Relegation beckons with a squad of crocks.
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Post by Davef on Jul 30, 2015 22:09:28 GMT
Sorry Tom but that is bollocks imo,none of us know yet whether MVG is good enough to replace him. Even if he is good enough and that is a big if he is not our player, he belongs to Chelski let's not lose sight of that fact. Seriously, who cares? I don't remember thinking to myself that Assaidi didn't belong to us when the ball hit the back of the Chelsea net a couple of seasons ago, or when Moses scored that winner at Villa. Loans are part and parcel of the game. And who knows, Van Ginkle may become a permanent Stoke player in the future.
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Post by Davef on Jul 30, 2015 22:10:11 GMT
Made loads of signings in the window but having recouped £10 million from sale of Nzonzi and Huth we have a negative net spend of around £2 million.. We are in the lowest five spenders in the prem. I'm all for getting bargains when they are available but sooner or later lack of proper investment will catch up with us. It's no point linking us to all these big name players if we can't get these deals over the line. Either we are too unatractive to top players or we are not in the big league when it comes to paying the wages. Still need top winger, 20 goal a season striker and a proper replacement for Huth. Small time thinking regarding ground expansion and also transfer activity.. Come on Coatesy and Scholes, don't sit on your hands when we have the opportunity of a lifetime to get to the next level ! I have been very underwhelmed by this transfer window for Stoke. Buying freebies who are crocks or past it does not bode well. Also selling the three best players was ridiculous in the extreme. Relegation beckons with a squad of crocks. Oh god, not another one.
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Post by discokaraoke on Jul 30, 2015 22:17:11 GMT
It's just an opinion mate. Same as other people's opinions that we've moved backwards with our signings. Fair enough mate and i hope your right by the way. I passionate Chelsea fan i know, believes Marco van Ginkel will improve us, and reckons he's good enough for their first team. Players come and go, let's see how MVG fit's before writing him off as an adequate replacement for N'zonzi.
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Post by owdestokie on Jul 30, 2015 22:25:02 GMT
Not concerned but when people use the term "squad" are we considering the 25 or the 16 @ kick off time who will be responsible for cementing our position in the PL ? Having not witnessed and being unable to form an objective opinion of our recent recruits to-date I am concerned about the apparent loss without replacement of the spine of the side i.e Bego, Huth and the Fonz. I think the question is; have we replaced and/or improved upon those losses and strengthened/ added quality to the 1st eleven. Let's judge by the end of October when the Prem is starts to get interesting. Just my opinion
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 30, 2015 22:25:03 GMT
Fair enough mate and i hope your right by the way. I passionate Chelsea fan i know, believes Marco van Ginkel will improve us, and reckons he's good enough for their first team. Players come and go, let's see how MVG fit's before writing him off as an adequate replacement for N'zonzi. Who's writing him off?I said none of us know whether he's good enough to fill the N'Zonzi position.
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Post by discokaraoke on Jul 30, 2015 22:34:49 GMT
Alan Hudson rates him, but wtf does he know? Don't know who's opinion to take, yours or Alan Hudsons. I rate him but is he going to be the ever present glue in the 2-3 midfield set up that N'Zonzi was? We will have to wait and see, jose rates him, our manager rates him, Alan Hudson rates him, the Chelsea fan i know reckons we are lucky to have him. I just hope he can be as good and hopefully give us more. We shall see Momo, but i am optimistic,and reckon he will improve us this season.
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Post by discokaraoke on Jul 30, 2015 22:52:22 GMT
I passionate Chelsea fan i know, believes Marco van Ginkel will improve us, and reckons he's good enough for their first team. Players come and go, let's see how MVG fit's before writing him off as an adequate replacement for N'zonzi. Who's writing him off?I said none of us know whether he's good enough to fill the N'Zonzi position. Mutts, there are quite a few on here who think we have yet to replace N'zonzi. Was only saying we may have and have better. Probably read too many neg posts.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 31, 2015 6:14:29 GMT
Who's writing him off?I said none of us know whether he's good enough to fill the N'Zonzi position. Mutts, there are quite a few on here who think we have yet to replace N'zonzi. Was only saying we may have and have better. Probably read too many neg posts. Lets look at what we know not if, maybe, could be, we have lost three of our best players the ones we owned, we have replaced Huth with an inferior player for the same money, Bego with a relatively young goalkeeper/ backup a freebie old keeper and Zonz with an unknown loan player who belongs to Chelski, does that bode well ?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 31, 2015 6:17:33 GMT
Even if he is good enough and that is a big if he is not our player, he belongs to Chelski let's not lose sight of that fact. Seriously, who cares? I don't remember thinking to myself that Assaidi didn't belong to us when the ball hit the back of the Chelsea net a couple of seasons ago, or when Moses scored that winner at Villa. Loans are part and parcel of the game. And who knows, Van Ginkle may become a permanent Stoke player in the future. Neither are now Stoke players and we still have no permanent winger to fill this position, does that not concern you at all, smacks of money saving.
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Post by stokemark on Jul 31, 2015 10:23:50 GMT
We probably have a stronger squad but a weaker first 11
There is still time but having lost Bego, Huth, Zonz and Moses with Shawcross, Bojan, Odem, Affelay and a few others still injured / recoving from injury I for one am far less optimistic about the new season than some on here who seem to want to skirt over the fact that we have, yet again, gone for free / cheap options.
This time I think the pigeons will come home to roost given the fact that this is combined with the loss of quality players from the first 11
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 31, 2015 10:26:43 GMT
Made loads of signings in the window but having recouped £10 million from sale of Nzonzi and Huth we have a negative net spend of around £2 million.. We are in the lowest five spenders in the prem. I'm all for getting bargains when they are available but sooner or later lack of proper investment will catch up with us. It's no point linking us to all these big name players if we can't get these deals over the line. Either we are too unatractive to top players or we are not in the big league when it comes to paying the wages. Still need top winger, 20 goal a season striker and a proper replacement for Huth. Small time thinking regarding ground expansion and also transfer activity.. Come on Coatesy and Scholes, don't sit on your hands when we have the opportunity of a lifetime to get to the next level ! Devastating that the club is financially healthy and they're are trying to keep it that way.
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Post by santy on Jul 31, 2015 10:39:04 GMT
If anyone believes that players like Glen Johnson have signed for Stoke for £0 or only an agent fee upfront then you're living in a very deluded world.
One reason why transfer fees can go up a bit higher than you'd usually expect is because if a player doesn't ask to be sold, then the buying club will usually have to pay extra to cover a players loyalty bonus (£2m of the £8m for Jones from Sunderland was the loyalty bonus he would have gotten for seeing out his contract, Tottenham also got us to pay it for Palacios & Crouch as well) and then there is a signing on fee/bonus which is undisclosed and can either be paid upfront as a lump sum or staggered over a players contract, topping up the weekly wages.
Most free transfers will probably cost Stoke £2m-£3m before a penny is even paid in players wages.
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Post by stokemark on Jul 31, 2015 10:44:36 GMT
Made loads of signings in the window but having recouped £10 million from sale of Nzonzi and Huth we have a negative net spend of around £2 million.. We are in the lowest five spenders in the prem. I'm all for getting bargains when they are available but sooner or later lack of proper investment will catch up with us. It's no point linking us to all these big name players if we can't get these deals over the line. Either we are too unatractive to top players or we are not in the big league when it comes to paying the wages. Still need top winger, 20 goal a season striker and a proper replacement for Huth. Small time thinking regarding ground expansion and also transfer activity.. Come on Coatesy and Scholes, don't sit on your hands when we have the opportunity of a lifetime to get to the next level ! Devastating that the club is financially healthy and they're are trying to keep it that way. What matters is what happens on the pitch isnt it ? At the end of the day if we finish top half again then there can be no questions asked about the transfer policy we have pursued. Im personally worried that we are without three key first team players (Bego, Zonz and Moses) who have contributed to our success over the last couple of seasons. The gamble may well see us remain finaincially and footballingly (terrible) viable but there is a delicate balance between ensuring one doesnt compromise the other.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 31, 2015 10:51:19 GMT
So people say but where's the proof to say we can't get a Bojan every season or two? We're spending, just not throwing money away. An earlier poster mentioned that had we spent 10m on Afellay then people would be happier. I believe this to be the case. We get good deals and people see it as a bad thing. People aren't suggesting stoke throw money away, good business can still be done by spending money. ( bony, clasie, wanyamma ect ) Your right, there are some great freebies to be had affellay, kono, bojan ect, then there are the likes of bardlsey and Johnson who were signed because they were free and could "do a job". ect!
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Post by themistocles on Jul 31, 2015 11:36:39 GMT
People aren't suggesting stoke throw money away, good business can still be done by spending money. ( bony, clasie, wanyamma etc ) Your right, there are some great freebies to be had affellay, kono, bojan ect, then there are the likes of bardlsey and Johnson who were signed because they were free and could "do a job". ect! That better ( thumbs-up)
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Post by Davef on Jul 31, 2015 11:39:26 GMT
Seriously, who cares? I don't remember thinking to myself that Assaidi didn't belong to us when the ball hit the back of the Chelsea net a couple of seasons ago, or when Moses scored that winner at Villa. Loans are part and parcel of the game. And who knows, Van Ginkle may become a permanent Stoke player in the future. Neither are now Stoke players and we still have no permanent winger to fill this position, does that not concern you at all, smacks of money saving. They both played on the left wing. Arnie has proven he can play there and Affelay, I'm pretty certain, is capable of playing on both wings.
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Post by lordb on Jul 31, 2015 11:39:39 GMT
We probably have a stronger squad but a weaker first 11 There is still time but having lost Bego, Huth, Zonz and Moses with Shawcross, Bojan, Odem, Affelay and a few others still injured / recoving from injury I for one am far less optimistic about the new season than some on here who seem to want to skirt over the fact that we have, yet again, gone for free / cheap options. This time I think the pigeons will come home to roost given the fact that this is combined with the loss of quality players from the first 11 Looks to me that there will be no further key players leaving,Walters maybe. Given that,then that leaves just a whole month to get in that quality winger we clearly want. Not concerned at all at this time. There are unknowns,we don't know how good Van Ginkel & Joselu are going to be in particular. Seems daft for posters/fans to assume they going to be rubbish/great at this stage. Fairer to judge Johnson & Afellay as supporters will have seen more of them. I don't undestand peoples worries re the keepers,we look sorted there to me. We we're hammered for injuries last season & we did fine. Improbable to expect anything other than an improvement re the injries as last season was exceptional in that regard. Outsiders have generally been positive re Stokes window,possibly beacuse Nzonzi has been under-rated & possibly because the glamour of singing two more Barcalona players has been overhyped a bit. lets see what the squad looks like once the window is shut
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