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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jul 30, 2015 15:17:03 GMT
As far as I can see it mate we have only lost one player which could have a significant impact and that's zonz. Huth as much as a legend that he is has been out the equation for so long it's folly to moan about his departure, goalkeeping area I think we will be fine as well. I think this van ginkel is gonna surprise a lot of people however time will tell over his impact on a par to that of n'zonzi. Moses of course but he was never our player anyway and we are trying to get wingers. To replace n'zonzi like for like or better is gonna take a serious amount of cash and we are in that big pond again. Bego is a world class goalie, we will miss him. I can't quite believe the short memories on Bego tbh. In TP's last season he virtually kept us up on his own and he had 3 seasons of being world class. Stoke City will always miss that calibre of player. Moses is a better player that Arnie too imo and was key to our away form, so I think he'll be massively missed. And we need to find someone with his pace, Afellay doesn't overly seem to be that man but we shall see. I think Van Ginkel might do really well but we're expecting a kid who has only played 19 games in a decent league to hit the straps straight away, it's a massive ask. There's been some massive upheaval and I think it's a coin toss of it going one way or the other. Mate I wasn't trying to belittle begovic's impact or efforts. You are spot on about him. World class. I just think we are well manned up in that department. Butland is going to be absolute top dollar for us I think. Excellent goalkeeper.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 15:25:52 GMT
Bego is a world class goalie, we will miss him. I can't quite believe the short memories on Bego tbh. In TP's last season he virtually kept us up on his own and he had 3 seasons of being world class. Stoke City will always miss that calibre of player. Moses is a better player that Arnie too imo and was key to our away form, so I think he'll be massively missed. And we need to find someone with his pace, Afellay doesn't overly seem to be that man but we shall see. I think Van Ginkel might do really well but we're expecting a kid who has only played 19 games in a decent league to hit the straps straight away, it's a massive ask. There's been some massive upheaval and I think it's a coin toss of it going one way or the other. Mate I wasn't trying to belittle begovic's impact or efforts. You are spot on about him. World class. I just think we are well manned up in that department. Butland is going to be absolute top dollar for us I think. Excellent goalkeeper. Oh I know and a lot of it is being positive about Butland which I like but he will need that support but it is likely to be a bumpy road and we've got to stick by him with it because he's so young.
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Post by thehoof on Jul 30, 2015 15:34:19 GMT
The amount of money that you spend does not equate to success for a team the size of Stoke. A small team 35 miles to the north are about to lose anywhere in the region of £10m -£20m on their last "rock the city" signing. The current EPL champions are prepared to lose shed loads on Cuadrado, Saleh etc. Hull spent £40m and got relegated. All the people clamouring for money to be spent are probably the last one's to the bar, because as long as its not their money, they know how best to spend it. None of our 3 attempted "marquee" signings have ever kicked a football in the EPL - frankly I am amazed at how people then say that they would be "class" acts in the EPL - are our "know all's" really such avid followers of the Ukrainian International team, or have they spent a lot of time watching Bayern Munich reserves (which is where Shaqiri spent most of his time). I respect the fact that we all have opinions, mine is that you haven't got a clue if you think solely spending money is a guarantee of success. Anyone who refers to the Premier League as the 'EPL' automatically invalidates their right to have an opinion on the Oatcake Enlighten me? Should I just call it the "PL"? Than you for your kind words.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 30, 2015 16:08:04 GMT
Whatever was wrong with First Division or Division One?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 19:09:25 GMT
Whether we spend massively or not is not really the point. What we must do is bring down the average age and strengthen both the team and squad.
The only worry I have is the gaping holes we are leaving by allowing players to leave (be it Pennant or Etherington on frees or Nzonzi for XM) and replacing them with loans.
We've had Assaidi and Moses on loan for the last two seasons and are still looking deep into the 5th Transfer Window of Hughes' reign for a winger. We are now potentially going into next summer looking for the same again plus Nzonzi's replacement should Van Ginkel not sign permanently. It's as if we are playing catch up when we really shouldn't.
Now that could be for a few reasons.
1. Player we want is not available. 2. We are analysing our options longer term. 3. We are being tight. 4. We are trying to bring in that next level player and this is the only way of doing it short term.
It will be very interesting to see what transpires for the rest of this window.
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Post by foster on Jul 30, 2015 19:13:51 GMT
I doubt there's a single team in the Prem that boasts fans who are 100% confident in all areas of their squad. There is always room for improvement but i think we're more than capable of doing well next season.
If the window closed now I'd be happy with our business and look forward to January. You shouldn't expect everything all at once.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 30, 2015 19:33:26 GMT
Without reading the whole thread can somebody tell me how many times biscuit boy has posted?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 30, 2015 19:46:41 GMT
The obsession with spending money over acquiring quality really does baffle me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 19:50:41 GMT
The obsession with spending money over acquiring quality really does baffle me. People who think that's what people actually want to happen baffle me!
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Post by desman2 on Jul 30, 2015 19:54:56 GMT
If Bojan Diouf Joselu Muniesa and Allefey have a really good season then they will be the big money signings we have got for considerably less.
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Post by themistocles on Jul 30, 2015 19:57:05 GMT
Although there's arguments on both sides, I don't think it's unreasonable to want theteam you support to spend more then they've made in the transfer window.
There's only so many bojans out there , eventually to acquire quality spending is a must.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 19:58:17 GMT
We're about to miss out on Connor Wickham for £7 million . He's going Palace . I'd rather not buy anyone than waste money like that
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 19:59:31 GMT
We're about to miss out on Connor Wickham for £7 million . He's going Palace . I'd rather not buy anyone than waste money like that I'd rather we just spent money without thinking and on any old cunt!
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Post by foster on Jul 30, 2015 20:01:46 GMT
Although there's arguments on both sides, I don't think it's unreasonable to want theteam you support to spend more then they've made in the transfer window. There's only so many bojans out there , eventually to acquire quality spending is a must. So people say but where's the proof to say we can't get a Bojan every season or two? We're spending, just not throwing money away. An earlier poster mentioned that had we spent 10m on Afellay then people would be happier. I believe this to be the case. We get good deals and people see it as a bad thing.
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Post by themistocles on Jul 30, 2015 20:11:28 GMT
Although there's arguments on both sides, I don't think it's unreasonable to want theteam you support to spend more then they've made in the transfer window. There's only so many bojans out there , eventually to acquire quality spending is a must. So people say but where's the proof to say we can't get a Bojan every season or two? We're spending, just not throwing money away. An earlier poster mentioned that had we spent 10m on Afellay then people would be happier. I believe this to be the case. We get good deals and people see it as a bad thing. People aren't suggesting stoke throw money away, good business can still be done by spending money. ( bony, clasie, wanyamma ect ) Your right, there are some great freebies to be had affellay, kono, bojan ect, then there are the likes of bardlsey and Johnson who were signed because they were free and could "do a job".
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 30, 2015 20:13:35 GMT
Help help I don' post once and Kamara still can't control his obsession.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 20:24:57 GMT
Although there's arguments on both sides, I don't think it's unreasonable to want theteam you support to spend more then they've made in the transfer window. There's only so many bojans out there , eventually to acquire quality spending is a must. So people say but where's the proof to say we can't get a Bojan every season or two? We're spending, just not throwing money away. An earlier poster mentioned that had we spent 10m on Afellay then people would be happier. I believe this to be the case. We get good deals and people see it as a bad thing. Be pretty stupid given he was on a free! And seriously, I think in general (Ie for most of us) that's bollocks.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 30, 2015 20:31:43 GMT
Anyone who refers to the Premier League as the 'EPL' automatically invalidates their right to have an opinion on the Oatcake Enlighten me? Should I just call it the "PL"? Than you for your kind words. Dunner werrit mate. I got similarly slagged off for calling it the BPL. No idea why. Must be some kind of Oatcake insider thing.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 30, 2015 20:34:47 GMT
Help help I don' post once and Kamara still can't control his obsession. And biscuit boy bites. NAP landed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:42:41 GMT
Spent nowt and we've probably got a stronger squad. These truly are great times.
Long live Les.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2015 20:47:28 GMT
Spent nowt and we've probably got a stronger squad. These truly are great times. Long live Les. Until we see if N'Zonzi has been replaced, we have a weaker starting 11. Oh, and in Les we trust but he is only human!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:48:09 GMT
Spent nowt and we've probably got a stronger squad. These truly are great times. Long live Les. Until we see if N'Zonzi has been replaced, we have a weaker starting 11. Oh, and in Les we trust but he is only human! We've strengthen the N'Zonzi position.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 20:50:21 GMT
Until we see if N'Zonzi has been replaced, we have a weaker starting 11. Oh, and in Les we trust but he is only human! We've strengthen the N'Zonzi position. Fly Fishing by JR WhyDelilah....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:51:49 GMT
Merely my opinion, GrinchMasterGeneral.
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Post by petemac on Jul 30, 2015 21:01:47 GMT
As long as we don't look like going south is always a good sign. Top players come and go, I think Stoke have been very cautious in managers of Pulis and Hughes and they both have contributed in our contingency in the top flight. The next stage of our growth is on the horizon but with little steps, I'm very pleased at the way we are slowly moving up.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2015 21:15:12 GMT
Until we see if N'Zonzi has been replaced, we have a weaker starting 11. Oh, and in Les we trust but he is only human! We've strengthen the N'Zonzi position. You what now?! That's 100% then, Van Ginkel is the new N'Zonzi, only better?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 21:16:57 GMT
We've strengthen the N'Zonzi position. You what now?! That's 100% then, Van Ginkel is the new N'Zonzi, only better? You're quick on the uptake, aren't you mate?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2015 21:23:21 GMT
You what now?! That's 100% then, Van Ginkel is the new N'Zonzi, only better? You're quick on the uptake, aren't you mate? I hope Rip can quickly adapt to his new position, mate
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Post by StokieNath on Jul 30, 2015 21:23:56 GMT
12th here we come like.
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Post by malteser68 on Jul 30, 2015 21:30:42 GMT
Spent nowt and we've probably got a stronger squad. These truly are great times. Long live Les. Until we see if N'Zonzi has been replaced, we have a weaker starting 11. Oh, and in Les we trust but he is only human! perfectly in agreement ! How can anyone say that we have a stronger squad when you think that last season we had nzonzi, bego and moses in our squad and now they're gone ?? !!
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