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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 30, 2015 12:39:28 GMT
If it was possible ideally the first thing we'd know about buying a player is when the ink is dry on the contract. Definitely - the problem is though "next level" players always seem to come with loudmouth agents.... Well imho the next level thing is all bollox. I do strongly suspect some agents like to gob off and delay things hoping they get a bigger cut ooops silly me... I mean so their client gets a better deal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 12:41:44 GMT
We can't whinge about that (agents mouthing off) like Coates was on Radio Stoke yesterday. It's part and parcel of the game and if you're trying to play with the big boys you've got to act like one. Going off crying to the local radio station was a bit weak!
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Post by wagstand on Jul 30, 2015 12:42:10 GMT
My main concern in starting this thread was that we maybe signing quantity rather than quality, because we don't want to pay either wages or transfer fees or sign players who have longer contracts. Looking at our side at the end of last season I would have thought we should be looking at 3 quality signings, but so far we have made 8 new signings. Are they all necessary? Over recent years you can't fault how the club had been run and the job the manager has done, but how long can it continue if he isn't backed properly. Regarding prolific strikers, Swansea have managed to find 2 in the last 4 years in Michu and Bony, they had to pay 13 million for Bony though, not sure if we are prepared to do that. And people are going on about keeping football.affordable for our fans. I don't think it's affordable if you don't have a season ticket. We are just as bad as Norwich forcharging our own fans over £40 for a home match.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 12:54:35 GMT
We can't whinge about that (agents mouthing off) like Coates was on Radio Stoke yesterday. It's part and parcel of the game and if you're trying to play with the big boys you've got to act like one. Going off crying to the local radio station was a bit weak!Only 39 people would have been listening anyway....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 12:55:41 GMT
We can't whinge about that (agents mouthing off) like Coates was on Radio Stoke yesterday. It's part and parcel of the game and if you're trying to play with the big boys you've got to act like one. Going off crying to the local radio station was a bit weak!Only 39 people would have been listening anyway.... Indeed, it then got tweeted and by Gary Mellor is where I saw it....
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Post by kevkj on Jul 30, 2015 13:09:08 GMT
FFS Bayern 99.9 % of people are happily looking forward to the start of the season. Do one with your constant negative vibes and take your sidekick with you.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jul 30, 2015 13:32:02 GMT
Trying to spend some aren't we. It's alright people on here saying we could do with this player or that. I think Hughes has a lot more faith in our players than some of the posters on here. He is trying to buy better than what we have, not squander money on people who he feels are no better than those in the squad already. It will get spent. When the time is right not because of voices shouting on an internet forum desperate for notes to be flashed. We are in a tough situation here! Proper difficult market in terms of what we are after.
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Post by Gods on Jul 30, 2015 13:32:25 GMT
My main concern in starting this thread was that we maybe signing quantity rather than quality, because we don't want to pay either wages or transfer fees or sign players who have longer contracts. Looking at our side at the end of last season I would have thought we should be looking at 3 quality signings, but so far we have made 8 new signings. Are they all necessary? Over recent years you can't fault how the club had been run and the job the manager has done, but how long can it continue if he isn't backed properly. Regarding prolific strikers, Swansea have managed to find 2 in the last 4 years in Michu and Bony, they had to pay 13 million for Bony though, not sure if we are prepared to do that. And people are going on about keeping football.affordable for our fans. I don't think it's affordable if you don't have a season ticket. We are just as bad as Norwich forcharging our own fans over £40 for a home match. Yes, fewer better players has been my mantra on here for about 5 seasons now. One huge advantage we should have against last years strugglers and this seasons promoted sides is continuity. So you basically keep the same side as far as possible and add a little quality in a small number of key areas. 8 signings and perhaps more to come would not indicate that however I suppose you would have to say some of them are really not much more than building the U21 set up and we have also seen the potentially catastrophic departures of Huth, Bego and worst of all N'Zonzi and of course Moses is not coming back either. So I guess in the end we needed at least 4 signings just to stand still so it is probably not as reckless as it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 13:32:57 GMT
I couldn't care less how much or how little the clubs spends on transfer fees. Some of our best players cost next to nothing
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 30, 2015 13:44:25 GMT
I couldn't care less how much or how little the clubs spends on transfer fees. Some of our best players cost next to nothing Agree 100%
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Post by Paddypotter on Jul 30, 2015 13:51:44 GMT
I'd rather we bought in players who would like to get into the champions league with Stoke, rather than ones who would like to be in it without earning the right. Some people on here amaze me, if we had spent 10 million on Afellay they'd be over the moon, yet because he was free they're not happy...
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 30, 2015 14:00:11 GMT
I'd rather we bought in players who would like to get into the champions league with Stoke, rather than ones who would like to be in it without earning the right. Some people on here amaze me, if we had spent 10 million on Afellay they'd be over the moon, yet because he was free they're not happy... With Afellay I don't think they would. One check on his career over the last 4 years would strike a note of caution.He is the perfect example of a gamble on someone who could light up the Prem or equally doesn't rise to the challenge. We will have to wait and see. Freebies are free usually for a reason.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 14:02:54 GMT
FFS Bayern 99.9 % of people are happily looking forward to the start of the season. Do one with your constant negative vibes and take your sidekick with you. No.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 14:05:56 GMT
Trying to spend some aren't we. It's alright people on here saying we could do with this player or that. I think Hughes has a lot more faith in our players than some of the posters on here. He is trying to buy better than what we have, not squander money on people who he feels are no better than those in the squad already. It will get spent. When the time is right not because of voices shouting on an internet forum desperate for notes to be flashed. We are in a tough situation here! Proper difficult market in terms of what we are after. Are we though? We have been for 2 years according to the club and nothing much has been spent. Which is fine if it keeps working, big if though.
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Post by foster on Jul 30, 2015 14:16:47 GMT
Trying to spend some aren't we. It's alright people on here saying we could do with this player or that. I think Hughes has a lot more faith in our players than some of the posters on here. He is trying to buy better than what we have, not squander money on people who he feels are no better than those in the squad already. It will get spent. When the time is right not because of voices shouting on an internet forum desperate for notes to be flashed. We are in a tough situation here! Proper difficult market in terms of what we are after. Are we though? We have been for 2 years according to the club and nothing much has been spent. Which is fine if it keeps working, big if though. Well, it's worked so far and I don't doubt it can continue to work. We're spending on wages and signing on fees. A big transfer fee doesn't guarantee anything.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 14:23:19 GMT
Are we though? We have been for 2 years according to the club and nothing much has been spent. Which is fine if it keeps working, big if though. Well, it's worked so far and I don't doubt it can continue to work. We're spending on wages and signing on fees. A big transfer fee doesn't guarantee anything. It doesn't and nor does spending it on wages or signing fees. Incidentally, the wage bill based on the latest accounts hasn't gone up...... So we're expecting more on less???
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Post by thehoof on Jul 30, 2015 14:27:11 GMT
The amount of money that you spend does not equate to success for a team the size of Stoke. A small team 35 miles to the north are about to lose anywhere in the region of £10m -£20m on their last "rock the city" signing. The current EPL champions are prepared to lose shed loads on Cuadrado, Saleh etc. Hull spent £40m and got relegated. All the people clamouring for money to be spent are probably the last one's to the bar, because as long as its not their money, they know how best to spend it. None of our 3 attempted "marquee" signings have ever kicked a football in the EPL - frankly I am amazed at how people then say that they would be "class" acts in the EPL - are our "know all's" really such avid followers of the Ukrainian International team, or have they spent a lot of time watching Bayern Munich reserves (which is where Shaqiri spent most of his time). I respect the fact that we all have opinions, mine is that you haven't got a clue if you think solely spending money is a guarantee of success.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 14:32:10 GMT
The amount of money that you spend does not equate to success for a team the size of Stoke. A small team 35 miles to the north are about to lose anywhere in the region of £10m -£20m on their last "rock the city" signing. The current EPL champions are prepared to lose shed loads on Cuadrado, Saleh etc. Hull spent £40m and got relegated. All the people clamouring for money to be spent are probably the last one's to the bar, because as long as its not their money, they know how best to spend it. None of our 3 attempted "marquee" signings have ever kicked a football in the EPL - frankly I am amazed at how people then say that they would be "class" acts in the EPL - are our "know all's" really such avid followers of the Ukrainian International team, or have they spent a lot of time watching Bayern Munich reserves (which is where Shaqiri spent most of his time). I respect the fact that we all have opinions, mine is that you haven't got a clue if you think solely spending money is a guarantee of success. I am a tight git you are correct. I'm also someone who berating TP for wasting massive chunks of money. Again people didn't listen then and just shouted until it became more and more obvious. But I think we've gone too the other way now. Nobody has said that they think spending money equates success. Just that it would be nice if we did spend a bit. We've had 18m come in and we should be spending 10/12m anyway. I don't think that's overly demanding, thinking spending money will guarantee success or any of that shit. To me it seems rather sensible but I would say that!
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Post by stokemark on Jul 30, 2015 14:46:45 GMT
The amount of money that you spend does not equate to success for a team the size of Stoke. A small team 35 miles to the north are about to lose anywhere in the region of £10m -£20m on their last "rock the city" signing. The current EPL champions are prepared to lose shed loads on Cuadrado, Saleh etc. Hull spent £40m and got relegated. All the people clamouring for money to be spent are probably the last one's to the bar, because as long as its not their money, they know how best to spend it. None of our 3 attempted "marquee" signings have ever kicked a football in the EPL - frankly I am amazed at how people then say that they would be "class" acts in the EPL - are our "know all's" really such avid followers of the Ukrainian International team, or have they spent a lot of time watching Bayern Munich reserves (which is where Shaqiri spent most of his time). I respect the fact that we all have opinions, mine is that you haven't got a clue if you think solely spending money is a guarantee of success. Anyone who refers to the Premier League as the 'EPL' automatically invalidates their right to have an opinion on the Oatcake
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Post by stokefaninde on Jul 30, 2015 14:47:08 GMT
They have tried 3 big signings and lost out. Wouldn't want them to spend for the sake of it.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jul 30, 2015 14:49:24 GMT
Trying to spend some aren't we. It's alright people on here saying we could do with this player or that. I think Hughes has a lot more faith in our players than some of the posters on here. He is trying to buy better than what we have, not squander money on people who he feels are no better than those in the squad already. It will get spent. When the time is right not because of voices shouting on an internet forum desperate for notes to be flashed. We are in a tough situation here! Proper difficult market in terms of what we are after. Are we though? We have been for 2 years according to the club and nothing much has been spent. Which is fine if it keeps working, big if though. If the strategy we are using had any alarming worry about it then I'm pretty sure I'd be worried too. But the stats just don't back up any signs of a slump. Yep we are looking at frees and players who have lost their way a little in the main. That's there for all to see and as yet it's working but I'm still convinced we are trying to spend. We are fishing in the big pond and however admirable and positive that might be it just ain't falling for us right now. It might see us fall on our arse but I'm gonna trust the club on this one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 14:54:11 GMT
Are we though? We have been for 2 years according to the club and nothing much has been spent. Which is fine if it keeps working, big if though. If the strategy we are using had any alarming worry about it then I'm pretty sure I'd be worried too. But the stats just don't back up any signs of a slump. Yep we are looking at frees and players who have lost their way a little in the main. That's there for all to see and as yet it's working but I'm still convinced we are trying to spend. We are fishing in the big pond and however admirable and positive that might be it just ain't falling for us right now. It might see us fall on our arse but I'm gonna trust the club on this one. No they don't but we've kept our best players in the past, we haven't this time around and it will be interesting to see how it plays out because usually clubs losing their best players and replacing then on the cheap doesn't usually end well! To me there just doesn't seem to be a decent middle ground do what we did with TP and what we're doing now and I don't get it tbh. And there seems to be a definite plan, get freebies and target those in the last year of their deals. Which is fine so long as it doesn't hamstring us.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 30, 2015 14:57:44 GMT
They have tried 3 big signings and lost out. Wouldn't want them to spend for the sake of it. good call all other transfers have gone smoothly ,but the so called superstars we have gone after just wont sign ,money seems to be their if needed but Champions League is not and their lies the reason
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Post by Gifton on Jul 30, 2015 14:58:06 GMT
Made loads of signings in the window but having recouped £10 million from sale of Nzonzi and Huth we have a negative net spend of around £2 million.. We are in the lowest five spenders in the prem. I'm all for getting bargains when they are available but sooner or later lack of proper investment will catch up with us. It's no point linking us to all these big name players if we can't get these deals over the line. Either we are too unatractive to top players or we are not in the big league when it comes to paying the wages. Still need top winger, 20 goal a season striker and a proper replacement for Huth. Small time thinking regarding ground expansion and also transfer activity.. Come on Coatesy and Scholes, don't sit on your hands when we have the opportunity of a lifetime to get to the next level ! I'm totally with you mate! Staggering lack of ambition. There's loads of proven 20 goal a season Premier League strikers out there. Let's finally make that push on and bid for the top guns, Aguero, Rooney, Kane, Costa. Loads of suitable replacements, even upgrades for Huth. If we want to challenge we should be looking at Kompany, Hummels or Otamendi. If we just show the ambition to throw a few 300 grand a week contracts at our playing squad we can really take that next step. And as for the corners, fuck the corners! We need a huge upgrade for our new team, 65,000 absolute minimum. Otherwise our targets will just end up going to Man United cause Old Trafford is bigger.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Jul 30, 2015 15:01:48 GMT
If the strategy we are using had any alarming worry about it then I'm pretty sure I'd be worried too. But the stats just don't back up any signs of a slump. Yep we are looking at frees and players who have lost their way a little in the main. That's there for all to see and as yet it's working but I'm still convinced we are trying to spend. We are fishing in the big pond and however admirable and positive that might be it just ain't falling for us right now. It might see us fall on our arse but I'm gonna trust the club on this one. No they don't but we've kept our best players in the past, we haven't this time around and it will be interesting to see how it plays out because usually clubs losing their best players and replacing then on the cheap doesn't usually end well! To me there just doesn't seem to be a decent middle ground do what we did with TP and what we're doing now and I don't get it tbh. And there seems to be a definite plan, get freebies and target those in the last year of their deals. Which is fine so long as it doesn't hamstring us. As far as I can see it mate we have only lost one player which could have a significant impact and that's zonz. Huth as much as a legend that he is has been out the equation for so long it's folly to moan about his departure, goalkeeping area I think we will be fine as well. I think this van ginkel is gonna surprise a lot of people however time will tell over his impact on a par to that of n'zonzi. Moses of course but he was never our player anyway and we are trying to get wingers. To replace n'zonzi like for like or better is gonna take a serious amount of cash and we are in that big pond again.
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Post by Gods on Jul 30, 2015 15:04:38 GMT
Made loads of signings in the window but having recouped £10 million from sale of Nzonzi and Huth we have a negative net spend of around £2 million.. We are in the lowest five spenders in the prem. I'm all for getting bargains when they are available but sooner or later lack of proper investment will catch up with us. It's no point linking us to all these big name players if we can't get these deals over the line. Either we are too unatractive to top players or we are not in the big league when it comes to paying the wages. Still need top winger, 20 goal a season striker and a proper replacement for Huth. Small time thinking regarding ground expansion and also transfer activity.. Come on Coatesy and Scholes, don't sit on your hands when we have the opportunity of a lifetime to get to the next level ! I'm totally with you mate! Staggering lack of ambition. There's loads of proven 20 goal a season Premier League strikers out there. Let's finally make that push on and bid for the top guns, Aguero, Rooney, Kane, Costa.
Loads of suitable replacements, even upgrades for Huth. If we want to challenge we should be looking at Kompany, Hummels or Otamendi. If we just show the ambition to throw a few 300 grand a week contracts at our playing squad we can really take that next step. And as for the corners, fuck the corners! We need a huge upgrade for our new team, 65,000 absolute minimum. Otherwise our targets will just end up going to Man United cause Old Trafford is bigger. I like your style, in fact lets just have done with it and throw Messi and Suarez in to the targets list too
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Post by musik on Jul 30, 2015 15:06:07 GMT
Hellu! How much have we got? How much have we paid? nectarine://musik
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Post by Gifton on Jul 30, 2015 15:06:37 GMT
I'm totally with you mate! Staggering lack of ambition. There's loads of proven 20 goal a season Premier League strikers out there. Let's finally make that push on and bid for the top guns, Aguero, Rooney, Kane, Costa.
Loads of suitable replacements, even upgrades for Huth. If we want to challenge we should be looking at Kompany, Hummels or Otamendi. If we just show the ambition to throw a few 300 grand a week contracts at our playing squad we can really take that next step. And as for the corners, fuck the corners! We need a huge upgrade for our new team, 65,000 absolute minimum. Otherwise our targets will just end up going to Man United cause Old Trafford is bigger. I like your style, in fact lets just have done with it and throw Messi and Suarez in to the targets list too You're damn right mate! #letskeeppushingon
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2015 15:10:25 GMT
No they don't but we've kept our best players in the past, we haven't this time around and it will be interesting to see how it plays out because usually clubs losing their best players and replacing then on the cheap doesn't usually end well! To me there just doesn't seem to be a decent middle ground do what we did with TP and what we're doing now and I don't get it tbh. And there seems to be a definite plan, get freebies and target those in the last year of their deals. Which is fine so long as it doesn't hamstring us. As far as I can see it mate we have only lost one player which could have a significant impact and that's zonz. Huth as much as a legend that he is has been out the equation for so long it's folly to moan about his departure, goalkeeping area I think we will be fine as well. I think this van ginkel is gonna surprise a lot of people however time will tell over his impact on a par to that of n'zonzi. Moses of course but he was never our player anyway and we are trying to get wingers. To replace n'zonzi like for like or better is gonna take a serious amount of cash and we are in that big pond again. Bego is a world class goalie, we will miss him. I can't quite believe the short memories on Bego tbh. In TP's last season he virtually kept us up on his own and he had 3 seasons of being world class. Stoke City will always miss that calibre of player. Moses is a better player that Arnie too imo and was key to our away form, so I think he'll be massively missed. And we need to find someone with his pace, Afellay doesn't overly seem to be that man but we shall see. I think Van Ginkel might do really well but we're expecting a kid who has only played 19 games in a decent league to hit the straps straight away, it's a massive ask. There's been some massive upheaval and I think it's a coin toss of it going one way or the other.
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Post by foster on Jul 30, 2015 15:16:22 GMT
People moan about spending money like we've just avoided relegation the past two seasons.
I trust the club, when we need to spend we will.
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