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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 27, 2015 21:26:55 GMT
That's my take on it too, mate. Ok but Wollscheid is here to stay whether we like it or not and Cameron recently signed a new contract. Just because many don't rate them, doesn't mean we can just leave them out of the squad. Bardsley is about the only dispensible player at the back and I dont see him shifting either. At present, we have 2 players for each position. Exactly - Hughes has brought in Wolly and seems intend on giving Cameron a chance in the middle as well, now Johnson should make the RB spot his own. There is no room for another CB - Tex should go, but that squad spot would probably be used elsewhere even if he did.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 27, 2015 21:30:13 GMT
Not sure why texiera is at the club he seems very surplus to requirements at the moment , he didn't even feature last season when all our centre backs were injured , if he isn't seen as a viable option he shouldn't be in our squad Would be very hard to shift. Even for someone nowhere near our starting 11, he will be on considerable wages for his ability. League 1 and League 2 would perhaps struggle to even hit them. I think it's a very strange situation how we managed to get it so wrong in his case , he seems nowhere near good enough for premiership football
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 27, 2015 21:32:54 GMT
Much rather we looked at other younger English cbs than caulker would cost too much in fees and wages to justify in essence a back up role. If Ryan's problem is sciatic based he could be having a bad spell now then not suffer again for years speaking from my own experience
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jul 27, 2015 21:36:07 GMT
Not sure why texiera is at the club he seems very surplus to requirements at the moment , he didn't even feature last season when all our centre backs were injured , if he isn't seen as a viable option he shouldn't be in our squad I agree. He doesn't warrant a squad place. I've not been impressed from what I've seen, even in the U21's. League 2 level I'd say, possibly L1, but wages would be a problem so a subsidised loan out maybe?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 27, 2015 21:44:51 GMT
The minute Bayern rates a player is a time to worry. As his judgement on players ability is nearly always wrong, I'll give Caulker a miss, cheers.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 27, 2015 21:54:18 GMT
Rather have Richard Dunne.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 21:54:28 GMT
The minute Bayern rates a player is a time to worry. As his judgement on players ability is nearly always wrong, I'll give Caulker a miss, cheers. The last defender I rated that we signed was a certain Muniesa..... I was also one of the only people to heard of him!
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 27, 2015 22:00:19 GMT
The minute Bayern rates a player is a time to worry. As his judgement on players ability is nearly always wrong, I'll give Caulker a miss, cheers. The last defender I rated that we signed was a certain Muniesa..... I was also one of the only people to heard of him! And the one thing we agree on is that Muniesa is a CB not a DM. However, your have lots of form for saying player x will be crap. Shock horror, most of them turn out to do alright for us. Didn't you rate Demar Phillips?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 22:05:43 GMT
The last defender I rated that we signed was a certain Muniesa..... I was also one of the only people to heard of him! And the one thing we agree on is that Muniesa is a CB not a DM. However, your have lots of form for saying player x will be crap. Shock horror, most of them turn out to do alright for us. Didn't you rate Demar Phillips? Muni was the last defender we signed that has been "alright" for us, none since. And the one before that would have been Pieters, who I also rated...... Demar was fucking mint! It was more of a put on thing because I disliked (and still do and always will do) Cresswell on the wing.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 27, 2015 22:07:52 GMT
Not sure why texiera is at the club he seems very surplus to requirements at the moment , he didn't even feature last season when all our centre backs were injured , if he isn't seen as a viable option he shouldn't be in our squad I agree. He doesn't warrant a squad place. I've not been impressed from what I've seen, even in the U21's. League 2 level I'd say, possibly L1, but wages would be a problem so a subsidised loan out maybe? This is how Dionaton happened..... 'On June 11 2014 he signed a three-year contract with Stoke City, with Chief Executive Tony Scholes saying —"We have been following Dionatan's progress for some time and we're delighted to have secured his services because there's no doubt he's a talented player with a great deal of potential." Stoke manager Mark Hughes stated that whilst on trial Teixeira reminded him of Ryan Nelsen who played for Hughes at Blackburn Rovers. —"Dionatan came in on trial and I've done that before with the likes of Chris Samba and Ryan Nelsen. When you can look at players close up you get a better impression of what their capabilities are. We did it with Dionatan and he looked really good". Teixeira's start to his Stoke City career was hampered after he broke his foot in training which ruled him out for most of the 2014–15 season. I wouldn't be against a loan out, but I havn't written him off yet. It's obviously based on expectation rather than evidence. A tough Brazilian born footballing centre back. Sounds sweet.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jul 27, 2015 22:21:15 GMT
We're only guessing about the Shawcross situation but if the management do see his injury problem as a major cause for concern then we should definitely be thinking about bringing in another CB and I'm surprised some on here are turning their noses up at Caulker.
If he's available and the funds are there I'd take him.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jul 27, 2015 22:28:40 GMT
I agree. He doesn't warrant a squad place. I've not been impressed from what I've seen, even in the U21's. League 2 level I'd say, possibly L1, but wages would be a problem so a subsidised loan out maybe? This is how Dionaton happened..... 'On June 11 2014 he signed a three-year contract with Stoke City, with Chief Executive Tony Scholes saying —"We have been following Dionatan's progress for some time and we're delighted to have secured his services because there's no doubt he's a talented player with a great deal of potential." Stoke manager Mark Hughes stated that whilst on trial Teixeira reminded him of Ryan Nelsen who played for Hughes at Blackburn Rovers. —"Dionatan came in on trial and I've done that before with the likes of Chris Samba and Ryan Nelsen. When you can look at players close up you get a better impression of what their capabilities are. We did it with Dionatan and he looked really good". Teixeira's start to his Stoke City career was hampered after he broke his foot in training which ruled him out for most of the 2014–15 season. I wouldn't be against a loan out, but I havn't written him off yet. It's obviously based on expectation rather than evidence. A tough Brazilian born footballing centre back. Sounds sweet. Hughes knows better than me for sure but the guy's 23 and looks nowhere near the 1st team just now. We could come up against the buffers in terms of 25 squad places. A loan out might be best overall.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 22:41:40 GMT
This is how Dionaton happened..... 'On June 11 2014 he signed a three-year contract with Stoke City, with Chief Executive Tony Scholes saying —"We have been following Dionatan's progress for some time and we're delighted to have secured his services because there's no doubt he's a talented player with a great deal of potential." Stoke manager Mark Hughes stated that whilst on trial Teixeira reminded him of Ryan Nelsen who played for Hughes at Blackburn Rovers. —"Dionatan came in on trial and I've done that before with the likes of Chris Samba and Ryan Nelsen. When you can look at players close up you get a better impression of what their capabilities are. We did it with Dionatan and he looked really good". Teixeira's start to his Stoke City career was hampered after he broke his foot in training which ruled him out for most of the 2014–15 season. I wouldn't be against a loan out, but I havn't written him off yet. It's obviously based on expectation rather than evidence. A tough Brazilian born footballing centre back. Sounds sweet. Hughes knows better than me for sure but the guy's 23 and looks nowhere near the 1st team just now. We could come up against the buffers in terms of 25 squad places. A loan out might be best overall. In my 10 years of watching reserve football I've never seen performances as bad as Johnny Tex's for our U-21's. It's not a comprehensive history but is probably around 40/50 games and he's the worst I've seen. I honestly thought he looked like a competition winner. Maybe he had the flu?
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jul 27, 2015 22:54:39 GMT
Hughes knows better than me for sure but the guy's 23 and looks nowhere near the 1st team just now. We could come up against the buffers in terms of 25 squad places. A loan out might be best overall. In my 10 years of watching reserve football I've never seen performances as bad as Johnny Tex's for our U-21's. It's not a comprehensive history but is probably around 40/50 games and he's the worst I've seen. I honestly thought he looked like a competition winner. Maybe he had the flu? Like cheeesfreeex I'm loathe to write him off just yet. Hughes must have thought he had something about him from his Manchester City days. He might just be a late developer.<smiley> But the U21's isn't going to progress him and like you I don't think he rates clogging up a squad place so a subsidised loan may be best.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 23:01:12 GMT
In my 10 years of watching reserve football I've never seen performances as bad as Johnny Tex's for our U-21's. It's not a comprehensive history but is probably around 40/50 games and he's the worst I've seen. I honestly thought he looked like a competition winner. Maybe he had the flu? Like cheeesfreeex I'm loathe to write him off just yet. Hughes must have thought he had something about him from his Manchester City days. He might just be a late developer.<smiley> But the U21's isn't going to progress him and like you I don't think he rates clogging up a squad place so a subsidised loan may be best. A loan would be but if they watched the same games as me and you, why would they want him?
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jul 27, 2015 23:04:06 GMT
Like cheeesfreeex I'm loathe to write him off just yet. Hughes must have thought he had something about him from his Manchester City days. He might just be a late developer.<smiley> But the U21's isn't going to progress him and like you I don't think he rates clogging up a squad place so a subsidised loan may be best. A loan would be but if they watched the same games as me and you, why would they want him? We should develop closer links with the Vale. <winky>
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 23:06:44 GMT
A loan would be but if they watched the same games as me and you, why would they want him? We should develop closer links with the Vale. <winky> They've just signed a very good centre back for their level sadly! Not that Tex is a very good centre back for their level.....
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Post by stokeybulldog on Jul 28, 2015 0:16:16 GMT
What about texiera haven't seen him yet only saw him play in one or two games
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Post by silverdollar on Jul 28, 2015 7:13:05 GMT
Wollsheid does lack pace but I do believe that this season you will see a talented centre back. People were slating Arsenal's Mertesacher in his first season. People need to be less critical and place more faith in our management team and get behind everyone of our players not be slating them! It's been interesting that no team has been sniffing around Ryan Shawcross in the close season. I hope this back problem is not going to be a permanent problem. He is a valuable player in the Stoke team!
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Post by lordb on Jul 28, 2015 7:42:19 GMT
Wollsheid does lack pace but I do believe that this season you will see a talented centre back. People were slating Arsenal's Mertesacher in his first season. People need to be less critical and place more faith in our management team and get behind everyone of our players not be slating them! It's been interesting that no team has been sniffing around Ryan Shawcross in the close season. I hope this back problem is not going to be a permanent problem. He is a valuable player in the Stoke team! His lack of pace isn't a disaster,good positioning & good reading of the game (both of which I think he has) can overcome that. However his complete inablity to cope with even the slightest of physical challenges makes him utterley redundant in English football. On occasion we play sides who offer no physical challenge,then he can look good. I've never seen a profesional football run screaming to the linesman following his own fuck up until he did it - twice - I'm sorry but he's been here since January & I've seen enough to know he is not going to be an asset.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 28, 2015 8:55:13 GMT
Stay clear of Caulker! Relegation player! Cardiff and QPR, do I have to say more?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 28, 2015 9:00:45 GMT
What about texiera haven't seen him yet only saw him play in one or two games He looked dreadful against wolves u21s in a game at the Brit last season. If he's struggling at that level then he's not gonna step up.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 28, 2015 9:11:07 GMT
Stay clear of Caulker! Relegation player! Cardiff and QPR, do I have to say more? Hopefully Everton sign him if stones. Gets his move
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Post by silverdollar on Jul 28, 2015 10:44:46 GMT
Wollsheid does lack pace but I do believe that this season you will see a talented centre back. People were slating Arsenal's Mertesacher in his first season. People need to be less critical and place more faith in our management team and get behind everyone of our players not be slating them! It's been interesting that no team has been sniffing around Ryan Shawcross in the close season. I hope this back problem is not going to be a permanent problem. He is a valuable player in the Stoke team! His lack of pace isn't a disaster,good positioning & good reading of the game (both of which I think he has) can overcome that. However his complete inablity to cope with even the slightest of physical challenges makes him utterley redundant in English football. On occasion we play sides who offer no physical challenge,then he can look good. I've never seen a profesional football run screaming to the linesman following his own fuck up until he did it - twice - I'm sorry but he's been here since January & I've seen enough to know he is not going to be an asset. Of course this is your opinion! I think I trust Mark Hughes a little more!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 10:50:41 GMT
I've always preferred Davies from Hull. Davies is decent, he's 30 now though and would probably cost £4-5m so I don't think it's a sensible option.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 28, 2015 10:59:32 GMT
If Ryan is going to be missing for a considerable period then Hughes surely HAS to look at bringing in a top class replacement as Ryan is TOP CLASS. Sure we've got plenty of 'cover' i.e. players that can come in and do a job for a while but Ryan would just be a MASSIVE miss. If we seriously wanted to maintain/improve where we're at then we'd HAVE to replace him rather than patch up the defence, if we're talking long term. Let's hope we're not.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Jul 28, 2015 11:29:47 GMT
I think it's time that Caulker stops getting shipped around as a good centre back. He's had 2 proper seasons at the heart of Premier League defences now, and they couldn't have been worse. Finishing bottom both times, conceding 74 with Cardiff (just shy of 2 goals per game) and 73 with QPR (10 goals more than any other team and obviously just shy of 2 goals per game). It doesn't matter who you've got around you, that's a turgid record.
I don't know how promising he was rising through England's teenager teams but he seems to have lost it.
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Post by daibando on Jul 28, 2015 14:13:13 GMT
To be fair, you don't rate anyone who is linked to us. That's just a nonsensical remark...I saw Caulker in almost every game he played for Cardiff. That is what my opinion is based on.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 28, 2015 14:27:40 GMT
To be fair, you don't rate anyone who is linked to us. That's just a nonsensical remark...I saw Caulker in almost every game he played for Cardiff. That is what my opinion is based on. I'm not wrong though am I?
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Post by daibando on Jul 28, 2015 17:56:07 GMT
That's just a nonsensical remark...I saw Caulker in almost every game he played for Cardiff. That is what my opinion is based on. I'm not wrong though am I? Well I suppose if Messi was linked to you, then I might relent
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