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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 16:45:23 GMT
I think people are underestimating Van Ginkel.
I reckon he'll be a regular and outside shot for player of the season.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 27, 2015 16:45:45 GMT
'Suicide'. 'Retards'. 'Wrist slashers'. Fuck me. It's a Stoke messageboard talking about Stoke transfers with different views. The 'new fan' cunt level currently on display on this board is stratospheric. The benefit of 'new fans' though is that they don't have 'old agendas'.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 27, 2015 16:46:04 GMT
Butland; Johnson, Shawcross, Muniesa, Pieters; Whelan, Van Ginkel; Walters, Bojan, Arnie; Diouf.
Would be equally as happy with Cameron inplace of Johnson/Muniesa, or Wilson in place of Muniesa. Also happy with Adam/Ireland taking Bojan's place untill he's fully fit. Adam could also be in there in place of Van Ginkel (And Van Ginkel could push forward)
I think we've got a good squad & I'm more than happy that it'll serve us well this season. Sure we could improve, someone like Yarmalenko would be great, but it's not the end of the world if we 'went to war' with what we've got.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 16:47:05 GMT
We've signed two goalies who aren't better than the ones they're replacing. We've signed a centre back that was pretty awful. We've signed a centre forward we didn't overly need. We are about to sign an injury prone ex Barcelona player who has played 70 times in 5 years and isn't getting any younger. I'm better than Bards* *That might be an exaggeration. When we signed Bego was he better than Sorro??, so that argument really does not stand up to the scrutiny. Given is an upgrade on Sorro. It is Butland who is replacing Bego not either of the 2 new signings. So you really have to construct a better argument that that. Johnson is an upgrade on Bards again you being better than Bards although possibly true is not a coherent argument. Joselu is a very similar player to Crouch something that Diouf is not. Are you saying that we do not need someone younger than Crouch. Peter is a great player but is coming to the end. If you had Affellay would you consider him an upgrade on Walters as a winger, I would. He was bought in as back up to a 'keeper that was our definite first choice and performing excellently in the Premier League. Given is replacing Butland, he isn't an upgrade on Butland. Butland is replacing Bego, again no upgrade. Johnson is an upgrade but he's still not a very good defender, which is the issue. We've got Crouch why do we need a similar player to a bloke who's just signed a 2 yr contract extension? Without the extension, I completely agree! No.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 27, 2015 16:49:32 GMT
I genuinely think that one of Crouch, Walters or Odemwingie are off this summer.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 27, 2015 16:49:23 GMT
'Suicide'. 'Retards'. 'Wrist slashers'. Fuck me. It's a Stoke messageboard talking about Stoke transfers with different views. The 'new fan' cunt level currently on display on this board is stratospheric. The benefit of 'new fans' though is that they don't have 'old agendas'. It's hard to have any opinion whatsoever when any view deviating from the official club press office line is met with words like wristslasher, retard and suicide.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 27, 2015 16:50:44 GMT
The benefit of 'new fans' though is that they don't have 'old agendas'. It's hard to have any opinion whatsoever when any view deviating from the official club press office line is met with words like wristslasher, retard and suicide. And there's my point made...
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Post by thepirehillpoet on Jul 27, 2015 16:51:43 GMT
When we signed Bego was he better than Sorro??, so that argument really does not stand up to the scrutiny. Given is an upgrade on Sorro. It is Butland who is replacing Bego not either of the 2 new signings. So you really have to construct a better argument that that. Johnson is an upgrade on Bards again you being better than Bards although possibly true is not a coherent argument. Joselu is a very similar player to Crouch something that Diouf is not. Are you saying that we do not need someone younger than Crouch. Peter is a great player but is coming to the end. If you had Affellay would you consider him an upgrade on Walters as a winger, I would. He was bought in as back up to a 'keeper that was our definite first choice and performing excellently in the Premier League. Given is replacing Butland, he isn't an upgrade on Butland. Butland is replacing Bego, again no upgrade. Johnson is an upgrade but he's still not a very good defender, which is the issue. We've got Crouch why do we need a similar player to a bloke who's just signed a 2 yr contract extension? Without the extension, I completely agree! No. How can Given be replacing Butland when he is still at the club, Bego wanted away, Butland is replacing Bego and Given is replacing Sorro. Begovic wanted to leave the club you, Sorro has retired. Stop making arguments up that clearly do not exist.
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Post by Discovery Stoke on Jul 27, 2015 16:53:45 GMT
Butland
Johnson, Shawcross, Muniesa, Pieters
Van Ginkel, Whelan
Affelay, Bojan, Arnie
Diouf
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 27, 2015 16:54:20 GMT
It's hard to have any opinion whatsoever when any view deviating from the official club press office line is met with words like wristslasher, retard and suicide. And there's my point made... Yes, thank you very much. You are the happiest clapper of them all. Why can't you just accept that people have a different view on the business done this summer and this doesn't mean there is some subversive plot to undermine Mark Hughes and reinstate Tony Pulis with a crown on his head. That (along with the voices) really is just inside your head.
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Post by thepirehillpoet on Jul 27, 2015 16:54:31 GMT
Sorry for the overwrite Bayern.
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 27, 2015 16:58:33 GMT
Our best 11 will be the same team as before with Afellay in obviously...
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 27, 2015 17:03:02 GMT
And there's my point made... just accept that people have a different view on the business done this summer Hhmm these different opinions hey? My opinion is that we've done good business this summer, business that needed to be done AND we still have over a month left. Am I allowed that, or am I a happy clapper. Or some other cool name you can come up with.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2015 17:04:11 GMT
I genuinely think that one of Crouch, Walters or Odemwingie are off this summer. If we do get another winger on top of Afellay, they're going to have to aren't they? There just isn't room, it's why I was surprised we gave Wigie a new deal tbh. That seemed like the easiest thing to do, just let him go.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 27, 2015 17:05:08 GMT
just accept that people have a different view on the business done this summer Hhmm these different opinions hey? My opinion is that we've done good business this summer, business that needed to be done AND we still have over a month left. Am I allowed that, or am I a happy clapper. Or some other cool name you can come up with. Not just transfer business though is it. Anything that you see as even mildly critical of the club is part of some sort of treacherous plot that only exists in your mind.
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Post by Stokeontrent on Jul 27, 2015 17:06:47 GMT
The same starting eleven no matter if Afellay signs or not. Butland; Johnson, Shawcross, Cameron, Pieters; Whelan, Adam; Walters, Bojan, Arnie; Diouf Maybe, just maybe Muniesa in for Cameron and Van Ginkel in for Adam. Youd have cameron starting ahead of muni hahaha
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 27, 2015 17:08:34 GMT
Hhmm these different opinions hey? My opinion is that we've done good business this summer, business that needed to be done AND we still have over a month left. Am I allowed that, or am I a happy clapper. Or some other cool name you can come up with. Not just transfer business though is it. Anything that you see as even mildly critical of the club is part of some sort of treacherous plot that only exists in your mind. Only the same as everything you see that could go wrong, has gone wrong, may have the slightest chance of going wrong at Stoke City is Tony Scholes's fault? Or is that different? Nope thought not.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 27, 2015 17:11:24 GMT
Not just transfer business though is it. Anything that you see as even mildly critical of the club is part of some sort of treacherous plot that only exists in your mind. Only the same as everything you see that could go wrong, has gone wrong, may have the slightest chance of going wrong at Stoke City is Tony Scholes's fault? Or is that different? Nope thought not. No just the multitude of things that are his fault. I don't know, I think some Stoke fans sort of deserve to have a Chief Exec who lies to you about the legalities of how you buy your season ticket. I mean its not one of the biggest purchases of the year for some people is it.
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Post by lordb on Jul 27, 2015 17:17:28 GMT
Be very surprised if Johnson isn't a shoe in. Van Ginkel has to be favourite to start the season too,surely? 2 of the signings are back up keepers.
Still the club raised expectations for this window so it's fair to expect the club to continue to go all out for that one star winger,Yarmalenko/Shaqiri or someone else. Another month to go so daft to judge the window yet.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jul 27, 2015 17:37:17 GMT
----------------------- Butland ------------------ - Johnson - Shawcross - Muni - Pieters - ----------------- MVG - Sidwell ---------------- -------- Arnautovic - Bojan - Afellay ------- --------------------- Diouf/Mato ----------------
Subs: Given Cameron Wolly Whelan Adam Walters Striker
The squad is now massive and we really need to be making some tough decisions on who can be first teamers
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 27, 2015 17:40:59 GMT
He was bought in as back up to a 'keeper that was our definite first choice and performing excellently in the Premier League. Given is replacing Butland, he isn't an upgrade on Butland. Butland is replacing Bego, again no upgrade. Johnson is an upgrade but he's still not a very good defender, which is the issue. We've got Crouch why do we need a similar player to a bloke who's just signed a 2 yr contract extension? Without the extension, I completely agree! No. How can Given be replacing Butland when he is still at the club, Bego wanted away, Butland is replacing Bego and Given is replacing Sorro. Begovic wanted to leave the club you, Sorro has retired. Stop making arguments up that clearly do not exist. That's not right mate. If Given has replaced Sorro, who has replaced Butland at #2? We had: 1. Bego 2. Butland 3. Sorro Now we have: 1. Butland 2. Given 3. Haugaard So Jack moves up to replace Bego (not an upgrade), Given replaces Jack at #2, (not an upgrade), and Haugaard replaces Sorro at #3 (not an upgrade). Whichever way you look at it we're weaker from top to bottom in the gk position at the moment.
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Post by stokiemarc on Jul 27, 2015 17:47:03 GMT
Woah the people leaving out Muni must be on crack. Big season for him, he'll be seen as one of the best CBs in the league if he can stay fit come the end of the season.
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Post by jstoke7 on Jul 27, 2015 18:42:13 GMT
You assuming Muniesa will be injured? Nope, going with a player thats been a big part of us finishing 9th in our last 2 seasons, I also still have reservations about Muni, mainly his discipline to stay put. I think the way he brings the ball out and starts moves outweighs that personally. We look a much better side when he's bringing it out from the back.
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Post by miggo on Jul 27, 2015 18:46:48 GMT
----------------------- Butland ------------------ - Johnson - Shawcross - Muni - Pieters - ----------------- MVG - Sidwell ---------------- -------- Arnautovic - Bojan - Afellay ------- --------------------- Diouf/Mato ---------------- Subs: Given Cameron Wolly Whelan Adam Walters Striker The squad is now massive and we really need to be making some tough decisions on who can be first teamers Whelan will be ahead of sidwell, who's Mato? Crouch will be on the bench also alongside either Diouf or Joselu who we will have to wait and see which of those 2 win that battle for the striker role.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 27, 2015 18:55:33 GMT
----------------------- Butland ------------------ - Johnson - Shawcross - Muni - Pieters - ----------------- MVG - Sidwell ---------------- -------- Arnautovic - Bojan - Afellay ------- --------------------- Diouf/Mato ---------------- Subs: Given Cameron Wolly Whelan Adam Walters Striker The squad is now massive and we really need to be making some tough decisions on who can be first teamers Whelan will be ahead of sidwell, who's Mato? Crouch will be on the bench also alongside either Diouf or Joselu who we will have to wait and see which of those 2 win that battle for the striker role. Jose Luis Mato
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:59:38 GMT
Whelan will be ahead of sidwell, who's Mato? Crouch will be on the bench also alongside either Diouf or Joselu who we will have to wait and see which of those 2 win that battle for the striker role. Jose Luis Mato lol naughty you mean Joselu.
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Post by miggo on Jul 27, 2015 19:00:33 GMT
Whelan will be ahead of sidwell, who's Mato? Crouch will be on the bench also alongside either Diouf or Joselu who we will have to wait and see which of those 2 win that battle for the striker role. Jose Luis Mato Ok, first time I've seen his full name. What's with Joselu then? Why not Jose Luis or Luis Mato abit random that?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 27, 2015 19:01:43 GMT
Ok, first time I've seen his full name. What's with Joselu then? Why not Jose Luis or Luis Mato abit random that? JOSE LUis mato.
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Post by miggo on Jul 27, 2015 19:12:01 GMT
Ok, first time I've seen his full name. What's with Joselu then? Why not Jose Luis or Luis Mato abit random that? JOSE LUis mato. I got that obviously, I meant why does he go by that name rather his actual name? Imagine if rooney turned up with Wazza on his back just because it's his nickname. It's just daft.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 27, 2015 19:12:49 GMT
JOSE LUis mato. I got that obviously, I meant why does he go by that name rather his actual name? Imagine if rooney turned up with Wazza on his back just because it's his nickname. It's just daft. It's what they do 'abroad'.
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