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Post by mywaydesolzan on Aug 1, 2015 19:20:34 GMT
We've signed a player that nobody really wanted and hasn't played for Barcelona for a few years now, possibly hasn't played for Holland for a few years ? and comes with an horrendous injury record. And we will never spend that amount on a player so my viewpoint remains in tact and that proves my point. He played for Holland in March. And is a very good player who should serve us well.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2015 19:22:53 GMT
What's the signing of Affelay got to do with Nzonzi ? You can say that anyone who is younger has 'the potential' but what does that really mean ? We had no choice with Nzonzi (I recognise that) but as things stand we are going into the season with a first 11 who are no better than those we signed off last season with and arguably worse. I'm pretty disappointed with that and don't understand why so many people seem so happy to gloss over it. It's probably got something to do with the fact that Hughes doesn't necessarily see him as an out and out winger and that he could possibly see him playing in midfield,alongside or instead of another of our latest signings. Truth is, you are guessing as to whether we are going to be a worse side than last season,just as I am that we will be fine. The difference is that I'm willing to give the new signings time before I write them off and also put some faith in the management team who have totally transformed our football team into a team that has performed better than any Stoke side I have ever seen. So he Might play in midfield - so what ? He isn't going to compete for the role that Nzonzi played in and in and in a thread titled 'replacing Nzonzi' I don't see what relevance it has To replace him properly will cost us money, the sort of money that we have shown absolutely no real sign of spending
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 1, 2015 19:24:10 GMT
What Nzonzi had, and what I think we are still to replace, is presence.
A player with the physical and footballing ability to impose himself on the game and dictate. Bit of ball winning, fair share of headers, good distribution, good engine, physically strong.
Any team with a soft centre will be found out sooner or later and I hope its a position we are still looking to strengthen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:26:23 GMT
It's probably got something to do with the fact that Hughes doesn't necessarily see him as an out and out winger and that he could possibly see him playing in midfield,alongside or instead of another of our latest signings. Truth is, you are guessing as to whether we are going to be a worse side than last season,just as I am that we will be fine. The difference is that I'm willing to give the new signings time before I write them off and also put some faith in the management team who have totally transformed our football team into a team that has performed better than any Stoke side I have ever seen. So he Might play in midfield - so what ? He isn't going to compete for the role that Nzonzi played in and in and in a thread titled 'replacing Nzonzi' I don't see what relevance it has To replace him properly will cost us money, the sort of money that we have shown absolutely no real sign of spending Remind me how much Nzonzi cost us please?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:27:12 GMT
So he Might play in midfield - so what ? He isn't going to compete for the role that Nzonzi played in and in and in a thread titled 'replacing Nzonzi' I don't see what relevance it has To replace him properly will cost us money, the sort of money that we have shown absolutely no real sign of spending Remind me how much Nzonzi cost us please? 3.5M
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Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2015 19:28:04 GMT
So he Might play in midfield - so what ? He isn't going to compete for the role that Nzonzi played in and in and in a thread titled 'replacing Nzonzi' I don't see what relevance it has To replace him properly will cost us money, the sort of money that we have shown absolutely no real sign of spending Remind me how much Nzonzi cost us please?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:29:10 GMT
What Nzonzi had, and what I think we are still to replace, is presence. A player with the physical and footballing ability to impose himself on the game and dictate. Bit of ball winning, fair share of headers, good distribution, good engine, physically strong. Any team with a soft centre will be found out sooner or later and I hope its a position we are still looking to strengthen. It's a fair point that you make. But Nzonzi took time to grow into that role in my opinion,infact a full season, something it seems that our new signings aren't going to be allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:29:25 GMT
Remind me how much Nzonzi cost us please? 3.5M Thought so.
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 1, 2015 19:32:23 GMT
The worrying thing for me is IF Ryan is out for any length of time then we've lost 75% of the spine of the team which will take some coming to terms with.I just hope Sparky has a trick or two up his sleeve. Same here mate having read the match report today, Tex does not seem to be an answer we can rely on in the premier league. Really hope Wooly can prove me wrong as well. Here's to hoping I guess. Just praying that this back thing with Ryan is not as serious as I think it is. Replacing Nzonzi is one thing, replacing our Captain is a different kettle of fish entirely.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2015 19:33:34 GMT
Of What relevance is what he cost us ?
It's what it will cost us to replace him that's relevant. He has gone for £7m with a year left on his contract so value wise a player such as him is not easily replaceable without spending a considerable sum.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2015 19:36:13 GMT
What Nzonzi had, and what I think we are still to replace, is presence. A player with the physical and footballing ability to impose himself on the game and dictate. Bit of ball winning, fair share of headers, good distribution, good engine, physically strong. Any team with a soft centre will be found out sooner or later and I hope its a position we are still looking to strengthen. It's a fair point that you make. But Nzonzi took time to grow into that role in my opinion,infact a full season, something it seems that our new signings aren't going to be allowed. Signings ? We have only brought in Van Ginkel (on loan) as any sort of like for like replacement so far.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 1, 2015 19:40:42 GMT
What Nzonzi had, and what I think we are still to replace, is presence. A player with the physical and footballing ability to impose himself on the game and dictate. Bit of ball winning, fair share of headers, good distribution, good engine, physically strong. Any team with a soft centre will be found out sooner or later and I hope its a position we are still looking to strengthen. Top post mate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:41:44 GMT
Of What relevance is what he cost us ? It's what it will cost us to replace him that's relevant. He has gone for £7m with a year left on his contract so value wise a player such as him is not easily replaceable without spending a considerable sum. My point is that it's not as easy as you and others seem to think it is to replace a player like Nzonzi. You seem to think that throwing money at a club for one of their players is a sure fire way to replace him. It isn't. You're saying that we need to splash the cash to replace him,yet we only paid 3.5 million pounds for his services which proves that we don't have to spend big to replace him,I mean we signed one of/if not the best player we have ever had last season for virtually fuck all in Bojan. How do you know that Van Ginkel,given time,won't be as influential a player as Nzonzi was or that we won't go out and sign someone else who will before the transfer windows shuts? Give it time and trust and you might just be surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:42:43 GMT
It's a fair point that you make. But Nzonzi took time to grow into that role in my opinion,infact a full season, something it seems that our new signings aren't going to be allowed. Signings ? We have only brought in Van Ginkel (on loan) as any sort of like for like replacement so far. And he just may be better than Nzonzi.
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Post by trigger on Aug 1, 2015 19:46:43 GMT
We've known for the past two seasons that N'Zonzi wants away given his alleged transfer request and we've done the "Stoke" school of business methodology and bought in a free transfer last season in the form of the bungiling fool Sidwell and an unproven loan from Chelsea. Totally outlay a big fat zero and £7,000,000 nicely tucked away for a rainy day.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2015 19:54:09 GMT
Of What relevance is what he cost us ? It's what it will cost us to replace him that's relevant. He has gone for £7m with a year left on his contract so value wise a player such as him is not easily replaceable without spending a considerable sum. My point is that it's not as easy as you and others seem to think it is to replace a player like Nzonzi. You seem to think that throwing money at a club for one of their players is a sure fire way to replace him. It isn't. You're saying that we need to splash the cash to replace him,yet we only paid 3.5 million pounds for his services which proves that we don't have to spend big to replace him,I mean we signed one of/if not the best player we have ever had last season for virtually fuck all in Bojan. How do you know that Van Ginkel,given time,won't be as influential a player as Nzonzi was or that we won't go out and sign someone else who will before the transfer windows shuts? Give it time and trust and you might just be surprised. We are taking big risks. With Bojan we dug up a gem but we also have the likes of Sidwell, Bardsley, Ireland sitting on good contracts offering us vey poor value, players who were signed because they were cheap. You have to have a balanced approach - yes bringing in some players who are a gamble is fine but tried and tested players at the right age and ability rarely come cheaply. We need a better combination of quality and quantity - why do you think Man City were champions and Chelsea are ? There are always the odd Bojans but they are a rarity and in reality overall you tend to get what you pay for. If you are happy with our policy then fine but having seen Mark Hughes go into the last month of his 5th transfer window without spending any real money and losing key players do you really think this strategy will sustain top half Premier League finishes every season ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 19:55:07 GMT
We've known for the past two seasons that N'Zonzi wants away given his alleged transfer request and we've done the "Stoke" school of business methodology and bought in a free transfer last season in the form of the bungiling fool Sidwell and an unproven loan from Chelsea. Totally outlay a big fat zero and £7,000,000 nicely tucked away for a rainy day. I honestly don't know how you can slag off the club's transfer strategy when over the last two seasons it has been nothing other than a massive success. Or is it just that you are being a big fuck off girls blouse about finally losing one or two of our better players?
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Post by stokie1130 on Aug 1, 2015 19:57:37 GMT
We've known for the past two seasons that N'Zonzi wants away given his alleged transfer request and we've done the "Stoke" school of business methodology and bought in a free transfer last season in the form of the bungiling fool Sidwell and an unproven loan from Chelsea. Totally outlay a big fat zero and £7,000,000 nicely tucked away for a rainy day. I honestly don't know how you can slag off the club's transfer strategy when over the last two seasons it has been nothing other than a massive success. Or is it just that you are being a big fuck off girls blouse about finally losing one or two of our better players? Any of u know if the Van Ginkel deal has a buy opinion at the end of the loan for us??
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Post by themistocles on Aug 1, 2015 19:57:37 GMT
Is there enough room in the squad to replace him ? The squad is full of average at best free transfers ( bardsley, johnson, sidwell, Ireland).
Of course you can get exceptional freebies but this club has overdone it. The players above were not signed because they were the best that stoke could've got in that position, they were signed because they were free.
We aren't going to spend the money to replace him , despite TS saying we do.
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2015 19:59:56 GMT
Remind me how much Nzonzi cost us please? 3.5M And a cut of the fee from Seville. And there was a suggestion we paid £3.5m rising to £5m too.
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 1, 2015 20:04:12 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 1, 2015 20:10:50 GMT
We've known for the past two seasons that N'Zonzi wants away given his alleged transfer request and we've done the "Stoke" school of business methodology and bought in a free transfer last season in the form of the bungiling fool Sidwell and an unproven loan from Chelsea. Totally outlay a big fat zero and £7,000,000 nicely tucked away for a rainy day. I honestly don't know how you can slag off the club's transfer strategy when over the last two seasons it has been nothing other than a massive success. Or is it just that you are being a big fuck off girls blouse about finally losing one or two of our better players? Based on what we say today, Afellay could give us another dimension in midfield, he can pass, dribble and shoot better than N'Zonzi and looks mobile. If he can defend reasonably well he may be the answer. Too early to tell but given he went in there early, Hughes is obviously keen to explore the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 20:16:55 GMT
My point is that it's not as easy as you and others seem to think it is to replace a player like Nzonzi. You seem to think that throwing money at a club for one of their players is a sure fire way to replace him. It isn't. You're saying that we need to splash the cash to replace him,yet we only paid 3.5 million pounds for his services which proves that we don't have to spend big to replace him,I mean we signed one of/if not the best player we have ever had last season for virtually fuck all in Bojan. How do you know that Van Ginkel,given time,won't be as influential a player as Nzonzi was or that we won't go out and sign someone else who will before the transfer windows shuts? Give it time and trust and you might just be surprised. We are taking big risks. With Bojan we dug up a gem but we also have the likes of Sidwell, Bardsley, Ireland sitting on good contracts offering us vey poor value, players who were signed because they were cheap. You have to have a balanced approach - yes bringing in some players who are a gamble is fine but tried and tested players at the right age and ability rarely come cheaply. We need a better combination of quality and quantity - why do you think Man City were champions and Chelsea are ? There are always the odd Bojans but they are a rarity and in reality overall you tend to get what you pay for. If you are happy with our policy then fine but having seen Mark Hughes go into the last month of his 5th transfer window without spending any real money and losing key players do you really think this strategy will sustain top half Premier League finishes every season ? Pieters, Muniesa,Odemwingie, Diouff,Arnie, Bojan,Butland to name a few seem to suggest that our management team know what they're doing. Chuck in the fact that your football club for the past two seasons has finished in its highest league position for decades proves that we are doing just fine. I don't get this obsession with spending money just for the sake of it,when what we are doing currently is working a fucking treat. What will fans be saying later in the season when Joselu,Van Ginkel and Affelay turn out to be superb acquisitions? Obviously they might not all be so but there is just as much chance of them doing so than there would be if we had spent a combined 20 million on them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 20:18:19 GMT
I honestly don't know how you can slag off the club's transfer strategy when over the last two seasons it has been nothing other than a massive success. Or is it just that you are being a big fuck off girls blouse about finally losing one or two of our better players? Based on what we say today, Afellay could give us another dimension in midfield, he can pass, dribble and shoot better than N'Zonzi and looks mobile. If he can defend reasonably well he may be the answer. Too early to tell but given he went in there early, Hughes is obviously keen to explore the idea. Well Nzonzi wasn't exactly the world's best defensive midfielder so he's halfway there already
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Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2015 20:28:02 GMT
So you are seriously suggesting Afellay could be Nzonzis replacement ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 20:39:35 GMT
So you are seriously suggesting Afellay could be Nzonzis replacement ? No but Mark Hughes was earlier
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Aug 2, 2015 5:35:02 GMT
I think we need another central midfielder, but we won't find a like-for-like replacement for N'Zonzi.
It was suggested on Danish TV last night, that Pierre-Emile Højbjeg was ready to leave Bayern Munchen on loan for a season.
No mention of Stoke, but he would fit in very well with us: He's not 20 yet, and he has played more than 30 Bundesliga games, is strong and has good drive. Brilliant addition, who wouldn't take up one of the places in the 25 man squad.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 2, 2015 11:00:27 GMT
So you are seriously suggesting Afellay could be Nzonzis replacement ? based on an hour today he seems to have all the attacking attributed, good touch, ability to pass, dribble and shoot. If he can replicate this in the Premier League then we will need to see his defensive game to know. Let's not forget he has a bag full of international caps and played for a truly elite club team, neither of which N'Zonzi has come close to.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 2, 2015 11:12:27 GMT
So you are seriously suggesting Afellay could be Nzonzis replacement ? based on an hour today he seems to have all the attacking attributed, good touch, ability to pass, dribble and shoot. If he can replicate this in the Premier League then we will need to see his defensive game to know. Let's not forget he has a bag full of international caps and played for a truly elite club team, neither of which N'Zonzi has come close to. Still think we are looking at an enforcer type too have... Kevin prince boateng, Badu, Mikel etc...
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 2, 2015 11:40:17 GMT
The same posters screaming that we should be spending money will be the first ones moaning about it if the transfer gamble doesn't come off.
Money doesn't guarantee anything, the past 4 windows have shown that.
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