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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 24, 2015 0:38:09 GMT
Yes I know it's the Express... www.express.co.uk/news/uk/593400/languages-spoken-British-schools"...at Burnley Brow Community School in Oldham 352 of the 360 pupils speak Bengali while the number of English-speaking pupils is so low the Department will not disclose the figure. At nearby Westwood Primary School not one of the 175 pupils is recorded as having English as their first language while 170 speak Bengali. Khalsa Primary School in Slough, Berkshire, has 360 children, of whom 342 speak Punjabi and just six are said to have English as their first language. At Hamer Community Primary School in Rochdale 182 pupils speak Urdu while just 23 use English. The picture is the same at the Valley Community Primary School in Bolton where 264 of its 360 pupils speak Urdu while just 20 have English as their first language." Wow. So this isn't even multiculturalism now. The indigenous culture isn't represented at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 8:25:52 GMT
Yes I know it's the Express... www.express.co.uk/news/uk/593400/languages-spoken-British-schools"...at Burnley Brow Community School in Oldham 352 of the 360 pupils speak Bengali while the number of English-speaking pupils is so low the Department will not disclose the figure. At nearby Westwood Primary School not one of the 175 pupils is recorded as having English as their first language while 170 speak Bengali. Khalsa Primary School in Slough, Berkshire, has 360 children, of whom 342 speak Punjabi and just six are said to have English as their first language. At Hamer Community Primary School in Rochdale 182 pupils speak Urdu while just 23 use English. The picture is the same at the Valley Community Primary School in Bolton where 264 of its 360 pupils speak Urdu while just 20 have English as their first language." Wow. So this isn't even multiculturalism now. The indigenous culture isn't represented at all. Who says we're losing our national identity ....you racist , facist , biased , right wing bigoted bastuurd ..... ....and I am unanimous .
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 24, 2015 8:41:24 GMT
So selected schools from selected areas with high ethnic minority populations have large majorities of pupils who don't speak English as their first language. Is this even a story? Now I'm the first to admit we have big problems with too much immigration and problems with integration and segregation particularly with the Muslim communities. But to highlight selected schools from certain extremely ethnic areas and using that as evidence for how we're losing our national identity is just stupid and not representative of the majority of British schools.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2015 8:43:14 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that if we have speakers of other first languages other than English in the country we should not do anything to accommodate their language . To do so would simply prevent any potential integration, which would be limited in any case. The onus should be on the immigrant to learn the language. I don't know if it is true, it may well not be and I do not want to start a false rumour, but someone said to me that there are 2 full time members of staff at Leighton or North Staffs hospital, whose job it is to organise interpreters for patients. Can anyone confirm or dismiss this, as I say I dont know if it is true.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 24, 2015 8:50:06 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that if we have speakers of other first languages other than English in the country we should not do anything to accommodate their language . To do so would simply prevent any potential integration, which would be limited in any case. The onus should be on the immigrant to learn the language. I don't know if it is true, it may well not be and I do not want to start a false rumour, but someone said to me that there are 2 full time members of staff at Leighton or North Staffs hospital, whose job it is to organise interpreters for patients. Can anyone confirm or dismiss this, as I say I dont know if it is true. i don't know but I know that Crewe has a polish translator on standby for police interviews.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2015 8:54:42 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that if we have speakers of other first languages other than English in the country we should not do anything to accommodate their language . To do so would simply prevent any potential integration, which would be limited in any case. The onus should be on the immigrant to learn the language. I don't know if it is true, it may well not be and I do not want to start a false rumour, but someone said to me that there are 2 full time members of staff at Leighton or North Staffs hospital, whose job it is to organise interpreters for patients. Can anyone confirm or dismiss this, as I say I dont know if it is true. i don't know but I know that Crewe has a polish translator on standby for police interviews. Salop, Thanks But am I being too harsh and unfair. Us Brits tend to expect everyone to speak English when abroad?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 24, 2015 8:59:37 GMT
And some people think Teachers have it easy.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 24, 2015 9:16:07 GMT
Yes I know it's the Express... www.express.co.uk/news/uk/593400/languages-spoken-British-schools"...at Burnley Brow Community School in Oldham 352 of the 360 pupils speak Bengali while the number of English-speaking pupils is so low the Department will not disclose the figure. At nearby Westwood Primary School not one of the 175 pupils is recorded as having English as their first language while 170 speak Bengali. Khalsa Primary School in Slough, Berkshire, has 360 children, of whom 342 speak Punjabi and just six are said to have English as their first language. At Hamer Community Primary School in Rochdale 182 pupils speak Urdu while just 23 use English. The picture is the same at the Valley Community Primary School in Bolton where 264 of its 360 pupils speak Urdu while just 20 have English as their first language." Wow. So this isn't even multiculturalism now. The indigenous culture isn't represented at all. When I was in school there was maybe three or four kids that weren't white-British. By your logic, this proves we should have shit loads more immigration.
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 24, 2015 9:22:19 GMT
300,000 Brits living in Berlin alone.
Oh sorry, they are ex-pats not immigrants.......my bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 9:37:52 GMT
Yes I know it's the Express... www.express.co.uk/news/uk/593400/languages-spoken-British-schools"...at Burnley Brow Community School in Oldham 352 of the 360 pupils speak Bengali while the number of English-speaking pupils is so low the Department will not disclose the figure. At nearby Westwood Primary School not one of the 175 pupils is recorded as having English as their first language while 170 speak Bengali. Khalsa Primary School in Slough, Berkshire, has 360 children, of whom 342 speak Punjabi and just six are said to have English as their first language. At Hamer Community Primary School in Rochdale 182 pupils speak Urdu while just 23 use English. The picture is the same at the Valley Community Primary School in Bolton where 264 of its 360 pupils speak Urdu while just 20 have English as their first language." Wow. So this isn't even multiculturalism now. The indigenous culture isn't represented at all. Who says we're losing our national identity ....you racist , facist , biased , right wing bigoted bastuurd ..... ....and I am unanimous . Some people eh ?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 24, 2015 9:47:49 GMT
To see the bigger picture, according to this www.naldic.org.uk/research-and-information/eal-statistics/eal-pupils a report in January 2013 found that one in six primary school children and one in eight middle school children did not have English as their first languages. Even having another primary language is not an indication of a person's English levels - if a child is raised in both English and another language then it's highly likely they will speak both fluently. Before making assumptions about losing identity and integration, I think we really need to know how many people of school age don't speak English at all. This would be a far more accurate figure than first language.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 9:52:52 GMT
So selected schools from selected areas with high ethnic minority populations have large majorities of pupils who don't speak English as their first language. Is this even a story? Now I'm the first to admit we have big problems with too much immigration and problems with integration and segregation particularly with the Muslim communities. But to highlight selected schools from certain extremely ethnic areas and using that as evidence for how we're losing our national identity is just stupid and not representative of the majority of British schools. Yes it is a story . The reason it is is because this Great Britain . The figures aren't just high .....they have reached 'saturation' point ....over 90% in many inner cities causing housing and other welfare shortages. It's not simply a case of picking on one area , it is now widespread across the country . That trend will continue until by the end of this century this country will become a medieval , archaic indoctrinated state which I take exception to. I'm sure that there are millions of Brits who feel exactly the same . If you would like to see this Islamification happen , then just have the balls to say it . www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4112/islamization-britain
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 9:58:44 GMT
To see the bigger picture, according to this www.naldic.org.uk/research-and-information/eal-statistics/eal-pupils a report in January 2013 found that one in six primary school children and one in eight middle school children did not have English as their first languages. Even having another primary language is not an indication of a person's English levels - if a child is raised in both English and another language then it's highly likely they will speak both fluently. Before making assumptions about losing identity and integration, I think we really need to know how many people of school age don't speak English at all. This would be a far more accurate figure than first language. And having just read this and other articles I would just like to say that these figures if correct , are cast iron proof of how this country is being diluted of its national identity . This supposed to be Great Britain ..! An absolute disgrace .
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 24, 2015 10:06:31 GMT
So selected schools from selected areas with high ethnic minority populations have large majorities of pupils who don't speak English as their first language. Is this even a story? Now I'm the first to admit we have big problems with too much immigration and problems with integration and segregation particularly with the Muslim communities. But to highlight selected schools from certain extremely ethnic areas and using that as evidence for how we're losing our national identity is just stupid and not representative of the majority of British schools. Yes it is a story . The reason it is is because this Great Britain . The figures aren't just high .....they have reached 'saturation' point ....over 90% in many inner cities causing housing and other welfare shortages. It's not simply a case of picking on one area , it is now widespread across the country . That trend will continue until by the end of this century this country will become a medieval , archaic indoctrinated state which I take exception to. I'm sure that there are millions of Brits who feel exactly the same . If you would like to see this Islamification happen , then just have the balls to say it . www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4112/islamization-britainQuoting from the Gatestone institute: "The institute was founded in 2011 by Nina Rosenwald, an heiress of the Sears Roebuck empire who has been a key philanthropic backer of anti-Muslim groups and individuals in the United States" Should be a nice balanced article then.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 24, 2015 10:10:49 GMT
300,000 Brits living in Berlin alone. Oh sorry, they are ex-pats not immigrants.......my bad. Don't think so. Best I can come up with is 300,000 in Germany. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b062jsnmBut why does this matter? We're talking about this country. If people want to leave and are able to do so then fine. Maybe if our country hadn't got so many problems many would still be here?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 24, 2015 10:11:58 GMT
To see the bigger picture, according to this www.naldic.org.uk/research-and-information/eal-statistics/eal-pupils a report in January 2013 found that one in six primary school children and one in eight middle school children did not have English as their first languages. Even having another primary language is not an indication of a person's English levels - if a child is raised in both English and another language then it's highly likely they will speak both fluently. Before making assumptions about losing identity and integration, I think we really need to know how many people of school age don't speak English at all. This would be a far more accurate figure than first language. And having just read this and other articles I would just like to say that these figures if correct , are cast iron proof of how this country is being diluted of its national identity . This supposed to be Great Britain ..! An absolute disgrace . The British culture is being, and has been, diluted by US culture. From online shopping, the rise of out-of-town malls at the cost of small, local shops, the where-there's-blame-there's-a-claim culture, fast food, the cult of celebrity, cable TV, awful manufactured pop music and political elections as a popularity contests of leader. All of these have been imported from the US on a mass scale, and impacted the British way of doing things. Aside from curry houses, I'm struggling to see anything that has entered the British culture from any Islamic countries.
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 24, 2015 10:18:38 GMT
300,000 Brits living in Berlin alone. Oh sorry, they are ex-pats not immigrants.......my bad. Don't think so. Best I can come up with is 300,000 in Germany. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b062jsnmBut why does this matter? We're talking about this country. If people want to leave and are able to do so then fine. Maybe if our country hadn't got so many problems many would still be here? "If people want to leave and are able to do so then fine" Well surely by that logic it should work the other way around then, which was the point i was making by mentioning people leaving the UK. Fair enough on the Berlin /Germany figure.........really was my bad. Heard the program the other day and got that wrong, Doh!!
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 24, 2015 10:34:09 GMT
Don't think so. Best I can come up with is 300,000 in Germany. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b062jsnmBut why does this matter? We're talking about this country. If people want to leave and are able to do so then fine. Maybe if our country hadn't got so many problems many would still be here? "If people want to leave and are able to do so then fine" Well surely by that logic it should work the other way around then, which was the point i was making by mentioning people leaving the UK. Fair enough on the Berlin /Germany figure.........really was my bad. Heard the program the other day and got that wrong, Doh!! But that's up to the other countries to decide if they allow them in - hence the "...and are able to do so". This seems to be a discussion about this country.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2015 10:44:42 GMT
Don't think so. Best I can come up with is 300,000 in Germany. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b062jsnmBut why does this matter? We're talking about this country. If people want to leave and are able to do so then fine. Maybe if our country hadn't got so many problems many would still be here? "If people want to leave and are able to do so then fine" Well surely by that logic it should work the other way around then, which was the point i was making by mentioning people leaving the UK. Fair enough on the Berlin /Germany figure.........really was my bad. Heard the program the other day and got that wrong, Doh!! Billy You are right in that Britain has probably'exported' more people than any other country in the world. But it is up to those countries to accommodate /deal with the issue as they feel fit.Perhaps no one in those countries sees it as a problem, perhaps some see it as a benefit, perhaps others are resentful and wish to do something about it.It is up to them to do what they believe is right in their country. Some of us believe that immigration is an issue in this country in terms of sheer numbers and a clash of cultures. Potentially many more are entitled to come here promising an uncertain future.
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 24, 2015 10:45:59 GMT
The only language that should be spoken in England is English
Schools should teach English first and foremost and then teach maybe French, German and Spanish to prepare students for life after school if they choose to live or work or travel abroad .
I can see Chinese being a handy language to learn for future trade and business reasons but other than that it's not needed or welcomed by the majority
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 24, 2015 11:25:07 GMT
"If people want to leave and are able to do so then fine" Well surely by that logic it should work the other way around then, which was the point i was making by mentioning people leaving the UK. Fair enough on the Berlin /Germany figure.........really was my bad. Heard the program the other day and got that wrong, Doh!! Billy You are right in that Britain has probably'exported' more people than any other country in the world. But it is up to those countries to accommodate /deal with the issue as they feel fit.Perhaps no one in those countries sees it as a problem, perhaps some see it as a benefit, perhaps others are resentful and wish to do something about it.It is up to them to do what they believe is right in their country. Some of us believe that immigration is an issue in this country in terms of sheer numbers and a clash of cultures. Potentially many more are entitled to come here promising an uncertain future. It's just hysterical though BJR. This lot love whipping themselves up into a frenzy about Muslims, it's what they do. You could start a thread about baking cakes and one of them would come on blaming Muslims for something. Give them an alternative way of viewing things and they jump on you wholesale with jibes such as "Muslim lover". They believe that anybody who doesn't hate the way they do are traitors, wanting an open door policy, to let in the whole of Romania and Pakistan. There's no debating with them, none. They cannot see that the vast majority of Muslims are not rapists, terrorists or benefit scroungers, and why would they, when exercising an element of rationality or tolerance goes against the deep inner hate they have been nurturing for years. Sorry chaps, although i don't agree with having an open door policy i will never live my life to "hate" and will laugh at you lot every time i can be arsed to read the shite you believe to be true.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 24, 2015 11:32:15 GMT
And having just read this and other articles I would just like to say that these figures if correct , are cast iron proof of how this country is being diluted of its national identity . This supposed to be Great Britain ..! An absolute disgrace . The British culture is being, and has been, diluted by US culture. From online shopping, the rise of out-of-town malls at the cost of small, local shops, the where-there's-blame-there's-a-claim culture, fast food, the cult of celebrity, cable TV, awful manufactured pop music and political elections as a popularity contests of leader. All of these have been imported from the US on a mass scale, and impacted the British way of doing things. Aside from curry houses, I'm struggling to see anything that has entered the British culture from any Islamic countries. Jihad?
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Post by stokeharry on Jul 24, 2015 11:36:42 GMT
The British culture is being, and has been, diluted by US culture. From online shopping, the rise of out-of-town malls at the cost of small, local shops, the where-there's-blame-there's-a-claim culture, fast food, the cult of celebrity, cable TV, awful manufactured pop music and political elections as a popularity contests of leader. All of these have been imported from the US on a mass scale, and impacted the British way of doing things. Aside from curry houses, I'm struggling to see anything that has entered the British culture from any Islamic countries. Jihad? Making Britain an islamic state is certainly on the agenda
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 24, 2015 11:59:02 GMT
Billy You are right in that Britain has probably'exported' more people than any other country in the world. But it is up to those countries to accommodate /deal with the issue as they feel fit.Perhaps no one in those countries sees it as a problem, perhaps some see it as a benefit, perhaps others are resentful and wish to do something about it.It is up to them to do what they believe is right in their country. Some of us believe that immigration is an issue in this country in terms of sheer numbers and a clash of cultures. Potentially many more are entitled to come here promising an uncertain future. It's just hysterical though BJR. This lot love whipping themselves up into a frenzy about Muslims, it's what they do. You could start a thread about baking cakes and one of them would come on blaming Muslims for something. Give them an alternative way of viewing things and they jump on you wholesale with jibes such as "Muslim lover". They believe that anybody who doesn't hate the way they do are traitors, wanting an open door policy, to let in the whole of Romania and Pakistan. There's no debating with them, none. They cannot see that the vast majority of Muslims are not rapists, terrorists or benefit scroungers, and why would they, when exercising an element of rationality or tolerance goes against the deep inner hate they have been nurturing for years. Sorry chaps, although i don't agree with having an open door policy i will never live my life to "hate" and will laugh at you lot every time i can be arsed to read the shite you believe to be true. To tar all Muslims with the brush is ridiculous. Pretty much all the Muslims I've ever known well have been excellent people. Nice people. Hard working. Friendly. I've also seen some of the bad stuff. Pressure being applied to Muslims who stepped out of line. But to bury your head and ignore the problems, problems that other communities generally don't generate, problems that are getting bigger and bigger - well that's just PC bull (just ask the poor girls of Rochdale for example). Personally I don't hate all Muslims. Not even near. But there are significant issues that need addressing.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 24, 2015 12:07:43 GMT
300,000 Brits living in Berlin alone. Oh sorry, they are ex-pats not immigrants.......my bad. Don't think so. Best I can come up with is 300,000 in Germany. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b062jsnmBut why does this matter? We're talking about this country. If people want to leave and are able to do so then fine. Maybe if our country hadn't got so many problems many would still be here? I will be joining the ex pat brigade next year, this country is fucked rotten from top to bottom.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 24, 2015 12:10:06 GMT
The British culture is being, and has been, diluted by US culture. From online shopping, the rise of out-of-town malls at the cost of small, local shops, the where-there's-blame-there's-a-claim culture, fast food, the cult of celebrity, cable TV, awful manufactured pop music and political elections as a popularity contests of leader. All of these have been imported from the US on a mass scale, and impacted the British way of doing things. Aside from curry houses, I'm struggling to see anything that has entered the British culture from any Islamic countries. Jihad? Loads of Mosques springing up like mushrooms.
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Post by kbillyh on Jul 24, 2015 12:41:44 GMT
It's just hysterical though BJR. This lot love whipping themselves up into a frenzy about Muslims, it's what they do. You could start a thread about baking cakes and one of them would come on blaming Muslims for something. Give them an alternative way of viewing things and they jump on you wholesale with jibes such as "Muslim lover". They believe that anybody who doesn't hate the way they do are traitors, wanting an open door policy, to let in the whole of Romania and Pakistan. There's no debating with them, none. They cannot see that the vast majority of Muslims are not rapists, terrorists or benefit scroungers, and why would they, when exercising an element of rationality or tolerance goes against the deep inner hate they have been nurturing for years. Sorry chaps, although i don't agree with having an open door policy i will never live my life to "hate" and will laugh at you lot every time i can be arsed to read the shite you believe to be true. To tar all Muslims with the brush is ridiculous. Pretty much all the Muslims I've ever known well have been excellent people. Nice people. Hard working. Friendly. I've also seen some of the bad stuff. Pressure being applied to Muslims who stepped out of line. But to bury your head and ignore the problems, problems that other communities generally don't generate, problems that are getting bigger and bigger - well that's just PC bull (just ask the poor girls of Rochdale for example). Personally I don't hate all Muslims. Not even near. But there are significant issues that need addressing. I agree with most of that and although i have been accused of being somebody who has buried their head by some, this is far from the case. The point i'm making regards the hysteria surrounding such debates, just have a look at some of the phrases used on this thread to see what i mean. This hysteria is perpetrated by elements of the media and picked upon and expanded by those with an underlying hatred of all things Muslim until it becomes an irrational wankfest of scapegoating.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 24, 2015 13:10:15 GMT
One of the biggest problems I see of this situation is when do these kids integrate and learn about British culture?
At school they are surrounded by kids of the same background. They may or may not speak English between themselves. Where do they learn about being 'British'. I suspect that many do not speak English at home, probably don't watch British TV (just look how many TV channels from the sub-continent are on Sky for example). So where do they find out about the country that they're in? And it's not school for a start.
This just continues the lack of integration.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 24, 2015 13:11:58 GMT
Loads of Mosques springing up like mushrooms. About 1800 mosques in Britain in 2014 50,660 churches in Britain in 2013
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 24, 2015 13:13:08 GMT
The British culture is being, and has been, diluted by US culture. From online shopping, the rise of out-of-town malls at the cost of small, local shops, the where-there's-blame-there's-a-claim culture, fast food, the cult of celebrity, cable TV, awful manufactured pop music and political elections as a popularity contests of leader. All of these have been imported from the US on a mass scale, and impacted the British way of doing things. Aside from curry houses, I'm struggling to see anything that has entered the British culture from any Islamic countries. Jihad? If Jihad was rife in British society you'd know about it.
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