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Post by PotterLog on Jul 18, 2015 11:45:13 GMT
Wait a minute. Just to pick through some of the ridiculously loaded language you're using here... 1) "using posters of this board as pawns" - how is he doing that? In what way is he using or manipulating anyone? All he has done is asked if somebody heard a radio interview. 2) "...don't benefit off the labours of this board" - again, "labours"? What labours? He is asking if somebody heard a radio interview. 3) "this tawdry attempt to gather evidence?" - specifically what makes this tawdry? Is it not just an attempt to gather evidence like any other? Could you say what method you would prefer for him to gather evidence of this type, and what would make it less tawdry? Let's just say someone off this board does remember an interview where Fox said something highly relevant to this case - would it not be important that that was heard in court? As Sal has said above, one's opinions of a solicitors firm involved in this action should not stand in the way of the truth being told and justice being done. 1) "using posters of this board as pawns" - how is he doing that? In what way is he using or manipulating anyone? All he has done is asked if somebody heard a radio interview. OK so why doesn't he state at what angle he's coming at it from? Who he is representing?
If I do remember anything will I have to go to court? What if remember something but also remember context will that be relevant?2) "...don't benefit off the labours of this board" - again, "labours"? What labours? He is asking if somebody heard a radio interview. Again, why not say to what end he requires this information? What's in it for him? If I say I remember something will I have him and his vampiric seniors bothering me, putting words in my mouth, bothering me about what else I remember? He makes no attempt to communicate any consequences of relating this decades old memory.
3) "this tawdry attempt to gather evidence?" - specifically what makes this tawdry? Is it not just an attempt to gather evidence like any other? Could you say what method you would prefer for him to gather evidence of this type, and what would make it less tawdry? Of course it's cheap and tawdry. What if I 'remember' but I have a grudge against Mr Fox or Stoke City or Blackstock. He cant even be arsed to give rough dates the alleged interview took place. Lazy, cheap and tawdry.So it's cheap and tawdry because there's a possibility people with a grudge might lie in court about what they remember? Bizarre point. I suppose he hasn't included much detail in the request but that's up to him, surely. The rest of your "what if" speculation just sounds paranoid to be honest. If somebody remembers something and wants to help I'm sure they can ask him the questions themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 12:07:01 GMT
I had my hand stuck in a vice by an English teacher Was hit with a Cane, Slipper, Ruler, Cricket Bat, a book, a board rubber, slapped in the face by teachers from the age of 7 My boots set on fire with a gas welder Was tied to a chair with rope with a fag lighter in my hand to burn my way free
And I expect most people of my generation had the same experience, well maybe I was a bit ott with the canings setting a new term record for my school.
WHO DO I CLAIM FROM, answers on a postcard c/o world of claims.com
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Post by philm87 on Jul 18, 2015 13:12:43 GMT
Didn't know who Peter Fox was until I clicked on this. Big mistake.
Really sorry to see how so many of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. Seems like an entire generation of people have no sense of right or wrong. When I read about Saville and all the rest of it I wonder how something like that could ever have happened, but it makes much more sense now.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 18, 2015 13:16:34 GMT
Didn't know who Peter Fox was until I clicked on this. Big mistake. Really sorry to see how so many of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. Seems like an entire generation of people have no sense of right or wrong. When I read about Saville and all the rest of it I wonder how something like that could ever have happened, but it makes much more sense now. I haven't seen one fan condone this just accepted that things like this went on and who says it's sexual abuse?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 18, 2015 13:22:23 GMT
Didn't know who Peter Fox was until I clicked on this. Big mistake. Really sorry to see how so many of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. Seems like an entire generation of people have no sense of right or wrong. When I read about Saville and all the rest of it I wonder how something like that could ever have happened, but it makes much more sense now. What utter bollocks,sexual abuse? Unlike the generation of do gooders and fuckin wimps we bring through nowadays.
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Post by philm87 on Jul 18, 2015 13:28:59 GMT
Didn't know who Peter Fox was until I clicked on this. Big mistake. Really sorry to see how so many of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. Seems like an entire generation of people have no sense of right or wrong. When I read about Saville and all the rest of it I wonder how something like that could ever have happened, but it makes much more sense now. What utter bollocks,sexual abuse? Unlike the generation of do gooders and fuckin wimps we bring through nowadays. So sticking your finger up someone's arse isn't sexual abuse? Generation of do gooders and wimps? You will have to elaborate on that. I don't understand what you are referring to. Have you got kids out of interest?
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Post by philm87 on Jul 18, 2015 13:32:20 GMT
Didn't know who Peter Fox was until I clicked on this. Big mistake. Really sorry to see how so many of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. Seems like an entire generation of people have no sense of right or wrong. When I read about Saville and all the rest of it I wonder how something like that could ever have happened, but it makes much more sense now. I haven't seen one fan condone this just accepted that things like this went on and who says it's sexual abuse? I didn't say they condoned it, I said they were apologists for it. I read through 5 pages of this shite. There were loads of people implying this was basically okay because this sort of thing happened all the time back then and then there were others who simply denied it ever took place on the basis that any alleged victims are always just after money.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 18, 2015 13:32:31 GMT
What utter bollocks,sexual abuse? Unlike the generation of do gooders and fuckin wimps we bring through nowadays. So sticking your finger up someone's arse isn't sexual abuse? Generation of do gooders and wimps? You will have to elaborate on that. I don't understand what you are referring to. Have you got kids out of interest? I've had a doctor stick his finger up my arse on a few occasions so is that sexual abuse? Yes 2 daughters 29 and 26. I don't need to elaborate because you won't agree with me anyway.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 18, 2015 13:38:47 GMT
I haven't seen one fan condone this just accepted that things like this went on and who says it's sexual abuse? I didn't say they condoned it, I said they were apologists for it. I read through 5 pages of this shite. There were loads of people implying this was basically okay because this sort of thing happened all the time back then and then there were others who simply denied it ever took place on the basis that any alleged victims are always just after money. Like has been said these things did go on but back then it was how it was it's as simple as that and again was it wrong,yes! It doesn't happen any more and having seen snippets of the case the claimant seems to be telling one thing to one person and then something different to the other. I think this is more of chance case that he might be able to get compensation out of it. Oh and i have children too.
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Post by werrington on Jul 18, 2015 13:39:29 GMT
So sticking your finger up someone's arse isn't sexual abuse? Generation of do gooders and wimps? You will have to elaborate on that. I don't understand what you are referring to. Have you got kids out of interest? I've had a doctor stick his finger up my arse on a few occasions so is that sexual abuse? Yes 2 daughters 29 and 26. I don't need to elaborate because you won't agree with me anyway. Of corse it's not sexual abuse with the doctor mate as you consented to it There's a world of difference
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 18, 2015 13:40:28 GMT
I've had a doctor stick his finger up my arse on a few occasions so is that sexual abuse? Yes 2 daughters 29 and 26. I don't need to elaborate because you won't agree with me anyway. Of corse it's not sexual abuse with the doctor mate as you consented to it There's a world of difference I didn't trust me
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Post by philm87 on Jul 18, 2015 13:48:22 GMT
So sticking your finger up someone's arse isn't sexual abuse? Generation of do gooders and wimps? You will have to elaborate on that. I don't understand what you are referring to. Have you got kids out of interest? I've had a doctor stick his finger up my arse on a few occasions so is that sexual abuse? Yes 2 daughters 29 and 26. I don't need to elaborate because you won't agree with me anyway. Spot the difference 1) A group of men forcibly holding down a 16 year-old boy and inserting a finger up his arse in order to humiliate him and 2) A doctor inserting a finger up your arse as part of some medical procedure If you really cannot see any difference between those two scenarios - as your question implies - then you are a lost cause. It makes me slightly more sympathetic though, because I can see you must really struggle with stuff like this. I suspect we will disagree yes. I don't think I could participate in this sort of ''banter'' or whatever you want to call it. Equally, I don't think I could turn a blind eye. The fact that so many people did choose to turn a blind eye would lead me to conclude that it is they who are the wimps. If you think that makes me a ''do gooder'' then I am proud of it. The day when people like you finally die out is the day when our society has progressed beyond the point where ritualistic homo-erotic sexual abuse elicits mindless apologetics, denials and victim blaming. That can only be good thing, especially for your daughters.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 18, 2015 13:52:28 GMT
I've had a doctor stick his finger up my arse on a few occasions so is that sexual abuse? Yes 2 daughters 29 and 26. I don't need to elaborate because you won't agree with me anyway. Spot the difference 1) A group of men forcibly holding down a 16 year-old boy and inserting a finger up his arse in order to humiliate him and 2) A doctor inserting a finger up your arse as part of some medical procedure If you really cannot see any difference between those two scenarios - as your question implies - then you are a lost cause. It makes me slightly more sympathetic though, because I can see you must really struggle with stuff like this. I suspect we will disagree yes. I don't think I could participate in this sort of ''banter'' or whatever you want to call it. Equally, I don't think I could turn a blind eye. The fact that so many people did choose to turn a blind eye would lead me to conclude that it is they who are the wimps. If you think that makes me a ''do gooder'' then I am proud of it. The day when people like you finally die out is the day when our society has progressed beyond the point where ritualistic homo-erotic sexual abuse elicits mindless apologetics, denials and victim blaming. That can only be good thing, especially for your daughters. Never worked in a factory environment then?Banter makes the world go round,you ought to try it sometime in your very sad life by the looks of it.
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Post by philm87 on Jul 18, 2015 14:05:37 GMT
Spot the difference 1) A group of men forcibly holding down a 16 year-old boy and inserting a finger up his arse in order to humiliate him and 2) A doctor inserting a finger up your arse as part of some medical procedure If you really cannot see any difference between those two scenarios - as your question implies - then you are a lost cause. It makes me slightly more sympathetic though, because I can see you must really struggle with stuff like this. I suspect we will disagree yes. I don't think I could participate in this sort of ''banter'' or whatever you want to call it. Equally, I don't think I could turn a blind eye. The fact that so many people did choose to turn a blind eye would lead me to conclude that it is they who are the wimps. If you think that makes me a ''do gooder'' then I am proud of it. The day when people like you finally die out is the day when our society has progressed beyond the point where ritualistic homo-erotic sexual abuse elicits mindless apologetics, denials and victim blaming. That can only be good thing, especially for your daughters. Never worked in a factory environment then?Banter makes the world go round,you ought to try it sometime in your very sad life by the looks of it. You're either slightly confused, or you've realised you will lose the argument and thought it best to change the subject. I've played some pretty sick and disturbing practical jokes when I was younger and they often got me in trouble but I never felt the need to actually insert my finger up someone's arse, particularly if that someone was much younger than me and would obviously find the experience traumatising.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 18, 2015 14:14:27 GMT
Never worked in a factory environment then?Banter makes the world go round,you ought to try it sometime in your very sad life by the looks of it. You're either slightly confused, or you've realised you will lose the argument and thought it best to change the subject. I've played some pretty sick and disturbing practical jokes when I was younger and they often got me in trouble but I never felt the need to actually insert my finger up someone's arse, particularly if that someone was much younger than me and would obviously find the experience traumatising. You made a sweeping statement that "some of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse" which i said imo is utter bollocks. What Peter Fox did allegedly is out of order but imo is not sexual abuse. I also said that back in the late seventies it was common practice for similar things to happen in a factory environment when i was an apprentice[which doesn't make it right] but you accepted it and got on with life.I just find it hard to accept that somebody comes forward all these years later thats all.I would say imo it is MONEY motivated.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2015 14:19:10 GMT
1) "using posters of this board as pawns" - how is he doing that? In what way is he using or manipulating anyone? All he has done is asked if somebody heard a radio interview. OK so why doesn't he state at what angle he's coming at it from? Who he is representing?
If I do remember anything will I have to go to court? What if remember something but also remember context will that be relevant?2) "...don't benefit off the labours of this board" - again, "labours"? What labours? He is asking if somebody heard a radio interview. Again, why not say to what end he requires this information? What's in it for him? If I say I remember something will I have him and his vampiric seniors bothering me, putting words in my mouth, bothering me about what else I remember? He makes no attempt to communicate any consequences of relating this decades old memory.
3) "this tawdry attempt to gather evidence?" - specifically what makes this tawdry? Is it not just an attempt to gather evidence like any other? Could you say what method you would prefer for him to gather evidence of this type, and what would make it less tawdry? Of course it's cheap and tawdry. What if I 'remember' but I have a grudge against Mr Fox or Stoke City or Blackstock. He cant even be arsed to give rough dates the alleged interview took place. Lazy, cheap and tawdry.So it's cheap and tawdry because there's a possibility people with a grudge might lie in court about what they remember? Bizarre point. I suppose he hasn't included much detail in the request but that's up to him, surely. The rest of your "what if" speculation just sounds paranoid to be honest. If somebody remembers something and wants to help I'm sure they can ask him the questions themselves. I haven't a clue what your point is to be honest.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2015 14:20:56 GMT
Didn't know who Peter Fox was until I clicked on this. Big mistake. Really sorry to see how so many of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. Seems like an entire generation of people have no sense of right or wrong. When I read about Saville and all the rest of it I wonder how something like that could ever have happened, but it makes much more sense now. Has he been found guilty then?
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Post by philm87 on Jul 18, 2015 14:35:21 GMT
You're either slightly confused, or you've realised you will lose the argument and thought it best to change the subject. I've played some pretty sick and disturbing practical jokes when I was younger and they often got me in trouble but I never felt the need to actually insert my finger up someone's arse, particularly if that someone was much younger than me and would obviously find the experience traumatising. You made a sweeping statement that "some of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse" which i said imo is utter bollocks. What Peter Fox did allegedly is out of order but imo is not sexual abuse. I also said that back in the late seventies it was common practice for similar things to happen in a factory environment when i was an apprentice[which doesn't make it right] but you accepted it and got on with life.I just find it hard to accept that somebody comes forward all these years later thats all.I would say imo it is MONEY motivated. Well as I said I read 5 pages of this shite and concluded, on the basis of what I have read, that some of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. I can quote you some of the crap people have come out with if you like, but seeing as you have already read it all yourself it seems pointless. If you cannot see that that conclusion is inescapable you are a bit dim. Likewise, if you don't think the so-called ''glove incident'' constitutes sexual abuse there is probably something wrong with you. I don't know the full details of any ''banter'' you experienced working in the 1970s. Whether it was ''banter'', bullying or sexual abuse depends on the context I suppose, and what you yourself felt about the experience. Personally, whenever I have experienced bullying I have usually stood up for myself, although I am a bit of a ''wimp'' like that. If I saw something like the ''glove incident'' taking place, I would try and stop it there and then. It is precisely because of the attitude of people like you that most people don't ever come forward. That is partly how sexual predators and bullies are allowed to get away with this sort of thing. A traumatised victim is unlikely to come forward if they are instantly accused of just looking for money, or if the incident which traumatised them is written off as ''banter'' or just something that happened ''back in those days''. How the fuck was he going to come forward at the time when the world was full of people like you who just ''accepted it and got on with life''?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 18, 2015 14:41:35 GMT
You made a sweeping statement that "some of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse" which i said imo is utter bollocks. What Peter Fox did allegedly is out of order but imo is not sexual abuse. I also said that back in the late seventies it was common practice for similar things to happen in a factory environment when i was an apprentice[which doesn't make it right] but you accepted it and got on with life.I just find it hard to accept that somebody comes forward all these years later thats all.I would say imo it is MONEY motivated. Well as I said I read 5 pages of this shite and concluded, on the basis of what I have read, that some of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. I can quote you some of the crap people have come out with if you like, but seeing as you have already read it all yourself it seems pointless. If you cannot see that that conclusion is inescapable you are a bit dim. Likewise, if you don't think the so-called ''glove incident'' constitutes sexual abuse there is probably something wrong with you. I don't know the full details of any ''banter'' you experienced working in the 1970s. Whether it was ''banter'', bullying or sexual abuse depends on the context I suppose, and what you yourself felt about the experience. Personally, whenever I have experienced bullying I have usually stood up for myself, although I am a bit of a ''wimp'' like that. If I saw something like the ''glove incident'' taking place, I would try and stop it there and then. It is precisely because of the attitude of people like you that most people don't ever come forward. That is partly how sexual predators and bullies are allowed to get away with this sort of thing. A traumatised victim is unlikely to come forward if they are instantly accused of just looking for money, or if the incident which traumatised them is written off as ''banter'' or just something that happened ''back in those days''. How the fuck was he going to come forward at the time when the world was full of people like you who just ''accepted it and got on with life''? I'll leave it there and let you go back to your perfect world you live in.I suspect that you've been traumatised yourself by some of the bollocks you continue to write.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 18, 2015 14:55:15 GMT
So it's cheap and tawdry because there's a possibility people with a grudge might lie in court about what they remember? Bizarre point. I suppose he hasn't included much detail in the request but that's up to him, surely. The rest of your "what if" speculation just sounds paranoid to be honest. If somebody remembers something and wants to help I'm sure they can ask him the questions themselves. I haven't a clue what your point is to be honest. To clarify, you are the one making points - that for some reason it's questionable for an admin not to remove a post with a simple enquiry and an email address, that the OP is "using posters of this board as pawns", that the Smith Partnership are "lazy bloodsuckers" looking to benefit from the "labours" of this board, that the OP's enquiry is "cheap and tawdry", and perhaps most bafflingly of all, that asking a question of this nature is unacceptable because somebody with a grudge could give a false answer to it. I'm just asking you to provide a bit of substance to back all this up. It seems pretty clear you can't.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2015 14:57:20 GMT
I haven't a clue what your point is to be honest. To clarify, you are the one making points - that for some reason it's questionable for an admin not to remove a post with a simple enquiry and an email address, that the OP is "using posters of this board as pawns", that the Smith Partnership are "lazy bloodsuckers" looking to benefit from the "labours" of this board, that the OP's enquiry is "cheap and tawdry", and perhaps most bafflingly of all, that asking a question of this nature is unacceptable because somebody with a grudge could give a false answer to it. I'm just asking you to provide a bit of substance to back all this up. It seems pretty clear you can't. You haven't read my response then, Phil?
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 18, 2015 15:01:04 GMT
Not sure if you quoted the wrong person there but your response didn't even begin to answer my questions. Never mind.
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Post by bmstoke on Jul 18, 2015 15:04:21 GMT
Didn't know who Peter Fox was until I clicked on this. Big mistake. Really sorry to see how so many of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. Seems like an entire generation of people have no sense of right or wrong. When I read about Saville and all the rest of it I wonder how something like that could ever have happened, but it makes much more sense now. Why is someone who doesn't know who Peter Fox is posting on a Stoke message board?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2015 15:04:24 GMT
Not sure if you quoted the wrong person there but your response didn't even begin to answer my questions. Never mind. I've already answered them in bold above. You clearly haven't afforded me the courtesy of reading them and continued with your babble in the meantime. Never mind.
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Post by philm87 on Jul 18, 2015 15:04:40 GMT
Didn't know who Peter Fox was until I clicked on this. Big mistake. Really sorry to see how so many of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. Seems like an entire generation of people have no sense of right or wrong. When I read about Saville and all the rest of it I wonder how something like that could ever have happened, but it makes much more sense now. Has he been found guilty then? How does it make a difference? Scenario one: This guy is innocent, the glove incident never happened. In which case, a load of people on this thread are providing apologetics for sexual abuse they wrongly assumed had probably taken place. Scenario two: This guy is guilty, glove incident did take place. In which case, a load of people on this thread are providing apologetics for sexual abuse which did in fact take place. In both scenarios they are apologists for sexual abuse.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2015 15:08:12 GMT
Has he been found guilty then? How does it make a difference? Scenario one: This guy is innocent, the glove incident never happened. In which case, a load of people on this thread are providing apologetics for sexual abuse they wrongly assumed had probably taken place. Scenario two: This guy is guilty, glove incident did take place. In which case, a load of people on this thread are providing apologetics for sexual abuse which did in fact take place. In both scenarios they are apologists for sexual abuse. Are you reading the same thread as me?
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 18, 2015 15:17:02 GMT
Not sure if you quoted the wrong person there but your response didn't even begin to answer my questions. Never mind. I've already answered them in bold above. You clearly haven't afforded me the courtesy of reading them and continued with your babble in the meantime. Never mind. Look, I'm not doing this to take the piss. Let's just take the first of my questions, which related to backing up your claim of the OP "using posters as pawns" or manipulating them. Your answer was... OK so why doesn't he state at what angle he's coming at it from? Who he is representing? If I do remember anything will I have to go to court? What if remember something but also remember context will that be relevant?In what way does that answer my question? It doesn't even attempt to do so, it's just a list of other vaguely related, tangential questions about the details of someone becoming involved. You continue in the same vein for the other two questions. Feel free to set me straight but it looks pretty much like you're just flinging accusations around with nothing to back them up.
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Post by philm87 on Jul 18, 2015 15:18:24 GMT
Didn't know who Peter Fox was until I clicked on this. Big mistake. Really sorry to see how so many of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. Seems like an entire generation of people have no sense of right or wrong. When I read about Saville and all the rest of it I wonder how something like that could ever have happened, but it makes much more sense now. Why is someone who doesn't know who Peter Fox is posting on a Stoke message board? I was born in 1987. I will remember to ask your permission before posting on here in future.
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Post by philm87 on Jul 18, 2015 15:19:23 GMT
Well as I said I read 5 pages of this shite and concluded, on the basis of what I have read, that some of our fans are apologists for sexual abuse. I can quote you some of the crap people have come out with if you like, but seeing as you have already read it all yourself it seems pointless. If you cannot see that that conclusion is inescapable you are a bit dim. Likewise, if you don't think the so-called ''glove incident'' constitutes sexual abuse there is probably something wrong with you. I don't know the full details of any ''banter'' you experienced working in the 1970s. Whether it was ''banter'', bullying or sexual abuse depends on the context I suppose, and what you yourself felt about the experience. Personally, whenever I have experienced bullying I have usually stood up for myself, although I am a bit of a ''wimp'' like that. If I saw something like the ''glove incident'' taking place, I would try and stop it there and then. It is precisely because of the attitude of people like you that most people don't ever come forward. That is partly how sexual predators and bullies are allowed to get away with this sort of thing. A traumatised victim is unlikely to come forward if they are instantly accused of just looking for money, or if the incident which traumatised them is written off as ''banter'' or just something that happened ''back in those days''. How the fuck was he going to come forward at the time when the world was full of people like you who just ''accepted it and got on with life''? I'll leave it there and let you go back to your perfect world you live in.I suspect that you've been traumatised yourself by some of the bollocks you continue to write. Think that is probably for the best mate. You do seem a bit out of your depth.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 18, 2015 15:20:14 GMT
Why is someone who doesn't know who Peter Fox is posting on a Stoke message board? I was born in 1987. I will remember to ask your permission before posting on here in future. That explains it all for me
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