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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 15:15:46 GMT
I've been panicking since day one of this injury. Permission granted.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 2, 2015 15:31:16 GMT
This is becoming a BIG issue
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Post by jeycov on Aug 2, 2015 15:32:34 GMT
4 weeks until we have to finalise and name our 25 man squad.
We have to trust that the management have this under control - it seems unlikely that Ryan will feature next Sunday , which is a worry.
2 years ago probably just 1 or 2 signings at this point of the window.
We are being spoilt by this excellent tactic to buy players asap and get them integrated into the club.
We still have money to spend and time to make a signing or 2
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 2, 2015 15:33:36 GMT
Thing is, if Ryan is going to be out for any sustained length of time, we don't need somebody who could possibly hold the fort for a couple of matches but somebody who is good enough to REPLACE him.
And that's going to start at £10 mil and upwards.
Very tricky situation for the management I'd guess.
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Post by Discovery Stoke on Aug 2, 2015 15:35:48 GMT
Letting Huth go could be very very costly at this rate
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Post by chicagostokie on Aug 2, 2015 15:37:22 GMT
We could do a lot worse than bringing in a loan player for short term cover and then signing Vlaar as a potential replacement / partner for Ryan. Vlaar should be fit by Christmas.
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Post by stokey127 on Aug 2, 2015 15:37:51 GMT
Don't forget Cameron how well he played at the back last part of the season.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 2, 2015 15:45:50 GMT
I want him fit asap but we have a management that can cope - when Shawcross missed 5 league games in a row last season, we won 3,drew 1 and lost , 2 points a game average so better than our season overall.
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Post by basingstokie on Aug 2, 2015 15:49:16 GMT
We could do a lot worse than bringing in a loan player for short term cover and then signing Vlaar as a potential replacement / partner for Ryan. Vlaar should be fit by Christmas. I was surprised no one has picked Vlaar up. 5 months to get fit and he is a quality defender
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Post by thehoof on Aug 2, 2015 15:52:12 GMT
I have to say that the medical team and management have dropped a massive cod here.If after an 8 week break, Ryan is only able to play 60 minutes and is then facing a lay off of an indeterminate amount of time (for next week could easily become several weeks), then we are likely to be in a very bad way. God knows what the medical team have advised, because it clearly hasn't worked. While we have 5 Centre Backs, not one of them can play 90 minutes error free. On top of that, we have an inexperienced keeper. Really do think MH may end up regretting our failure to bring in a proper Center Half, who can command the defense.
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Post by bolly_premprem on Aug 2, 2015 15:57:34 GMT
Selling Huth is lookng like a bigger and bigger mistake.
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Post by stokebloke on Aug 2, 2015 16:13:20 GMT
Chill out lads shawcross is vastly overrated
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 2, 2015 16:15:42 GMT
We now need 2 centre backs if Shawcross is out for any length of time for me.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 2, 2015 16:18:15 GMT
Chill out don't you read the guardian the CEO says we are flying Well we beat Wrexham and still have millions in the bank suppose that's something oh and we signed as Danish reserve keeper and a bloke who was freed by Barcelona and turned down a Turkish first division team .
I'd like to see his definition of a vastly over promised , disaster of a summer with no forethought in letting players leave or in replacing them beforehand .
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 2, 2015 16:38:47 GMT
We now need 2 centre backs if Shawcross is out for any length of time for me. First confiscate the office copy of " Moneyball "
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Aug 2, 2015 16:48:14 GMT
Not ITK at all but did hear from an admittedly usual ' profit of doom' that he was now at the 'career threatening injury' stage?!?!!
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Post by lordb on Aug 2, 2015 17:16:30 GMT
Not remotely concerned by the pre-season results or form.see this most summers. Not concerned that the manager hasn't got the star player he wants,weeks and weeks of window left. I am concerned by Ryan's continuing absences. Early in this thread I said non story,as he had missed a game or two.No big deal. However to not play in Cologne at all us worrying. I'd guess he will be playing anyway next week but it's clear that his back is a problem.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 2, 2015 17:26:06 GMT
Not remotely concerned by the pre-season results or form.see this most summers. Not concerned that the manager hasn't got the star player he wants,weeks and weeks of window left. I am concerned by Ryan's continuing absences. Early in this thread I said non story,as he had missed a game or two.No big deal. However to not play in Cologne at all us worrying. I'd guess he will be playing anyway next week but it's clear that his back is a problem. Agree 100% with that, mate. And to think last year there were those suggesting we wouldn't miss our skipper if he was out.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 2, 2015 17:40:26 GMT
Joking aside it is a real worry for us and we can ill afford to be without our captain fantastic for any length of time.
Pre season or not, wollschied absolutely isn't a good enough replacement or partner for Ryan to be relied upon regularly.
He has pretty much no attribute that I would want in a centre half. He doesn't dominate in the air, he isn't quick, he isn't strong in the tackle and his distribution, for a ball playing centre half, isn't good either.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 2, 2015 17:42:56 GMT
I derided Suffolk for changing the name of the thread.
But now it appears he could be correct.
I certainly am worried now. Any combination of the CB's currently on the books are not good enough for a prolonged stint in the first XI.
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 2, 2015 17:51:51 GMT
Not remotely concerned by the pre-season results or form.see this most summers. Not concerned that the manager hasn't got the star player he wants,weeks and weeks of window left. I am concerned by Ryan's continuing absences. Early in this thread I said non story,as he had missed a game or two.No big deal. However to not play in Cologne at all us worrying. I'd guess he will be playing anyway next week but it's clear that his back is a problem. Agree 100% with that, mate. And to think last year there were those suggesting we wouldn't miss our skipper if he was out. s Actually we did very well in the league during his absence paradoxically.That doesn't mean i'm not concerned by his absence.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 2, 2015 17:58:48 GMT
Agree 100% with that, mate. And to think last year there were those suggesting we wouldn't miss our skipper if he was out. s Actually we did very well in the league during his absence paradoxically.That doesn't mean i'm not concerned by his absence. Strap yoursen in next week mate Pans and Tex at the back
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2015 18:15:22 GMT
Selling Huth is lookng like a bigger and bigger mistake. Biggest bollock dropped by any Prem. team, replacing him with woeful Wolly for the same money, we now need two CB's have not replaced Zonz bought a striker who we probably did not need, a back up goalkeeper who is over the hill and one of the worst defenders to have played for England who was finished two seasons ago, piss poor transfer dealings both in and out.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 2, 2015 18:44:14 GMT
Joking aside it is a real worry for us and we can ill afford to be without our captain fantastic for any length of time. Pre season or not, wollschied absolutely isn't a good enough replacement or partner for Ryan to be relied upon regularly. He has pretty much no attribute that I would want in a centre half. He doesn't dominate in the air, he isn't quick, he isn't strong in the tackle and his distribution, for a ball playing centre half, isn't good either. I share those concerns and the biggest worry is that he isn't some young kid who you think will get better. He's a very experienced professional who is lacking in several key areas. I'm perplexed as to exactly what he is, he's definitely not a defender's defender and he ain't a real ball player who reads the game well. His problem is that he's in between those categories which in my book makes him pretty average at both sides of the game. He's fine as a fill-in but I worry greatly if he ends up starting say 20+ games in the league for us this season due to Ryan's bad back.
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Post by chicagostokie on Aug 2, 2015 18:54:39 GMT
Selling Huth is lookng like a bigger and bigger mistake. Biggest bollock dropped by any Prem. team, replacing him with woeful Wolly for the same money, we now need two CB's have not replaced Zonz bought a striker who we probably did not need, a back up goalkeeper who is over the hill and one of the worst defenders to have played for England who was finished two seasons ago, piss poor transfer dealings both in and out. Way over the top. I agree with your Huth comment but the rest is out of all proportion IMO. We have brought in Van Ginkel who is good enough for Chelse and Milan, so I'm certain he deserves a chance before you write him off as a Nzonzi replacement. Given is a great signing as he can not only be a very solid backup, but he also provides fantastic experience for Butland to learn from. Johnson was a free transfer gamble, and may well do a decent job for us when he is match fit and up to pace. Afalley is also a quality addition to the forward line. Add to this that Bojan and Wingie are almost ready and we missed them for the last 6 months. If we bring in a CB and a winger, we have a decent squad.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 2, 2015 18:57:10 GMT
Whilst I'm aware the 'Huth thing' has to be let go, he was let go after Ryan's injury problems were known and with Muniesa's inability to play four or five games in a row commonplace. It really was an insane decision and the only genuine clanger the manager has dropped in two years.
The only defence for the management team is it clearly must have beeen for non-footballing reasons?
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 2, 2015 19:08:28 GMT
Joking aside it is a real worry for us and we can ill afford to be without our captain fantastic for any length of time. Pre season or not, wollschied absolutely isn't a good enough replacement or partner for Ryan to be relied upon regularly. He has pretty much no attribute that I would want in a centre half. He doesn't dominate in the air, he isn't quick, he isn't strong in the tackle and his distribution, for a ball playing centre half, isn't good either. I share those concerns and the biggest worry is that he isn't some young kid who you think will get better. He's a very experienced professional who is lacking in several key areas. I'm perplexed as to exactly what he is, he's definitely not a defender's defender and he ain't a real ball player who reads the game well. His problem is that he's in between those categories which in my book makes him pretty average at both sides of the game. He's fine as a fill-in but I worry greatly if he ends up starting say 20+ games in the league for us this season due to Ryan's bad back. Really well put guys, I really want to support the guy, but I just dont trust him to play the most important position on the pitch for us, ESPECIALLY in a regular starting capacity. Even my father who supports all our lads has said his piece to me regarding him. He is not an athlete son, were his words I think...
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 2, 2015 19:09:17 GMT
Letting Huth go could be very very costly at this rate As much as it pains me to say,Huth had to go. He's playing for a well matched team now,who will be destined for a relegation battle. We've moved on in terms of playing the ball from the back but absolutely need cover for Ryan.
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 2, 2015 19:35:47 GMT
s Actually we did very well in the league during his absence paradoxically.That doesn't mean i'm not concerned by his absence. Strap yoursen in next week mate Pans and Tex at the back Was going to say i can't wait for the season to start ,but not so sure now.See you Sunday mate.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 2, 2015 19:49:26 GMT
Now seeing a back specialist Tuesday
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