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Post by Lightwood on Jul 7, 2015 18:15:12 GMT
Offensively things look quite positive and could be further enhanced if we manage to pull the Shaqiri rabbit out of the hat. However,we are really looking thin on the ground defensively.
If Bego leaves which is likely, we will be placing a huge amount of pressure on young Jack Butland's shoulders.
Wolly was a major concern last year when up against anyone with pace.
Shawcross / Peiters / Muniesa had a bad year with injuries and there's nothing to say that some of these (Shawcross - back) could flare up again.
Cameron & Bardsley are not the right backs to take us to the 'next level'
So if we had a run of injuries / suspensions the back 5 could be
Butland, Bardsley, Wolly, Cameron, Wilson
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2015 18:18:45 GMT
Solid!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 7, 2015 18:22:30 GMT
I agree, before we signed Wollscheid I'd have gone balls out for a top quality centre half (and kept Huth). Won't happen now we have stupid Wolly though.
I'd fuck Bardsley off and get in a new RB, but it looks like we're after a new one anyway from the alleged Soares pursuit.
I'd even try and entice Sorro back for one year on a nice comfortable contract just in case we have any problems with Butland, but we've got Haugaard as well. However, Bego still hasn't gone yet!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 18:27:03 GMT
I didn't realise the transfer window had closed.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 7, 2015 18:29:47 GMT
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Post by stokeny on Jul 7, 2015 18:31:13 GMT
Defensively, the numbers seem to suggest that we did ok last year compared to the rest of the Premier league era. Everyone seems to have forgotten things like the 7-0 drubbing at Chelsea in 2010 (Shawcross, Huth, and Faye were involved).
Now if Danny Collins was still here, I might share your concern.
The thing is doesn't matter who you are, if players like Hazard, Sanchez, and Aguero start running at you at some stage you are going to look vulnerable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2015 18:31:18 GMT
I didn't realise the transfer window had closed. Barring maybe a right back that lot won't change will it? And I think a right back is a stretch with the contract situation of the two we already have.
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Jul 7, 2015 18:35:18 GMT
I'm sorry, but I'm feeling compelled to say this.
A little over a decade ago, we were fighting relegation to League 1. We had seemingly no or very little investment, and we wondered where the butter for our bread would come from next.
We are now not only getting some top quality butter, but receiving a shit-ton of gravy off a special train that appears every couple of years.
Where has this desperation and wrist-slashing negativity come from?!
We're a steady mid-table Premier League team. The majority of teams hate playing us. We are representing the self-obsessed 'greatest league in the world' on the world stage next week ffs! And these desperate cries of 'we are losing Nzonzi and Bego how will we cope' are pathetic.
Yes they are great players for us. But for once we aren't being held hostage by the players. We are in a position to say 'you know what, fine if you want to go - go'. But everyone seems to be forgetting - they haven't left yet!
Yes I know people here are panicking about them only having 12 months left on their contracts. But seriously, if they don't want to play for us let them go and get someone in who does! The worst that can happen is they leave on a free in 12 months time - but that means we have 12 months to find, negotiate with and sign replacements of equal or better strength!
Lets not all forget where we were 20 years ago, eh?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 18:38:42 GMT
I didn't realise the transfer window had closed. Barring maybe a right back that lot won't change will it? And I think a right back is a stretch with the contract situation of the two we already have. We will sign a right back.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 7, 2015 18:44:31 GMT
Offensively things look quite positive and could be further enhanced if we manage to pull the Shaqiri rabbit out of the hat. However,we are really looking thin on the ground defensively. If Bego leaves which is likely, we will be placing a huge amount of pressure on young Jack Butland's shoulders. Wolly was a major concern last year when up against anyone with pace. Shawcross / Peiters / Muniesa had a bad year with injuries and there's nothing to say that some of these (Shawcross - back) could flare up again. Cameron & Bardsley are not the right backs to take us to the 'next level' So if we had a run of injuries / suspensions the back 5 could be Butland, Bardsley, Wolly, Cameron, Wilson Couldn't agree more mate and for me QUALITY back up is needed as a priority
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Post by nonameface on Jul 7, 2015 18:48:50 GMT
Compare the list of players there tto the defenders and goalkeepers we have had with the club in the other premiership years. It will still be one of the best group of players we have had, if not the best.
....cause for optimism!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2015 18:49:03 GMT
Barring maybe a right back that lot won't change will it? And I think a right back is a stretch with the contract situation of the two we already have. We will sign a right back. I don't think we will. And if I was being an arse I'd say we needed a centre back and left back too but I'm not....
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Post by Bowyer83 on Jul 7, 2015 18:49:20 GMT
Wolly & Wilson...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 18:54:54 GMT
We will sign a right back. I don't think we will. And if I was being an arse I'd say we needed a centre back and left back too but I'm not.... The fact we had the Soares deal so far down the line shows that position is a priority.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2015 18:59:02 GMT
I don't think we will. And if I was being an arse I'd say we needed a centre back and left back too but I'm not.... The fact we had the Soares deal so far down the line shows that position is a priority. I still don't think it will happen.
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Post by mattface on Jul 7, 2015 19:01:55 GMT
No
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:16:03 GMT
It is defiantly a cause for concern and one I hope the staff are working on. We desperately need cover
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Post by stokemark on Jul 7, 2015 19:16:11 GMT
A very well put original post that is sensible and well reasoned
We look distinctly weaker as things stand with little sign of quality replacements for Bego and Huth
Nothin negative about expressing such a concern when we clearly cannot do deals for any sort of 'next level' player
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:32:32 GMT
I've got a bad feeling about this
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Post by adamsson on Jul 7, 2015 19:32:52 GMT
I know Wollschied is the worst player in the world like eva because people keep saying so, but I have only seen him have one bad game.
Against Sunderland he was poor but no one else helped him by moving in to space or kicking the ball out instead of rolling it to him. He struggled against Blackburn but was the only defender to start and finish the game.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 7, 2015 19:44:35 GMT
I know Wollschied is the worst player in the world like eva because people keep saying so, but I have only seen him have one bad game. Against Sunderland he was poor but no one else helped him by moving in to space or kicking the ball out instead of rolling it to him. He struggled against Blackburn but was the only defender to start and finish the game. You missed the Man City game then?He was dreadful at Blackburn and against Sunderland at home,back up at best imo.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 7, 2015 20:36:49 GMT
I know Wollschied is the worst player in the world like eva because people keep saying so, but I have only seen him have one bad game. Against Sunderland he was poor but no one else helped him by moving in to space or kicking the ball out instead of rolling it to him. He struggled against Blackburn but was the only defender to start and finish the game. You missed the Man City game then?He was dreadful at Blackburn and against Sunderland at home,back up at best imo. And everyone else had really good games in these matches and for the rest of the season? Huth struggled in his limited appearances He needs the support of everyone, he is a Stoke player, has international experience and will surely improve and settle during the coming season. MH and co think he can do it
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jul 7, 2015 20:40:20 GMT
You missed the Man City game then?He was dreadful at Blackburn and against Sunderland at home,back up at best imo. And everyone else had really good games in these matches and for the rest of the season? Huth struggled in his limited appearances He needs the support of everyone, he is a Stoke player, has international experience and will surely improve and settle during the coming season. MH and co think he can do it Huth was coming back from injury which most people tend to forget and like you say Sparky thinks he's good enough and i hope he's proved right but somehow i doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 20:44:47 GMT
I know Wollschied is the worst player in the world like eva because people keep saying so, but I have only seen him have one bad game. Against Sunderland he was poor but no one else helped him by moving in to space or kicking the ball out instead of rolling it to him. He struggled against Blackburn but was the only defender to start and finish the game. You missed the Man City game then?He was dreadful at Blackburn and against Sunderland at home,back up at best imo. He's a very decent centre half. Had good and bad games last season. Yes can be caught flat footed but to play how he did overall in his first season makes him a very solid defender. Please don't forget than Bojan was woeful in his first few games. His performance against Hull was one of the worst I've seen by a Stoke player in the Premier. By contrast Wollys first game against Arsenal was above average.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 7, 2015 20:48:38 GMT
I agree, before we signed Wollscheid I'd have gone balls out for a top quality centre half (and kept Huth). Won't happen now we have stupid Wolly though. I'd fuck Bardsley off and get in a new RB, but it looks like we're after a new one anyway from the alleged Soares pursuit. I'd even try and entice Sorro back for one year on a nice comfortable contract just in case we have any problems with Butland, but we've got Haugaard as well. However, Bego still hasn't gone yet! "Stupid Woolly"......now that's pretty harsh mate. You may not think he is very good as a CB, but calling somebody stupid because of this doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 7, 2015 20:51:52 GMT
You're right, I apologise profusely for the language I used and I sincerely hope it didn't offend any stupid people.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 7, 2015 20:59:21 GMT
And everyone else had really good games in these matches and for the rest of the season? Huth struggled in his limited appearances He needs the support of everyone, he is a Stoke player, has international experience and will surely improve and settle during the coming season. MH and co think he can do it Huth was coming back from injury which most people tend to forget and like you say Sparky thinks he's good enough and i hope he's proved right but somehow i doubt it. We will never know if a fully fit Huth, playing alongside Ryan would have been MH first choice central defenders
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 7, 2015 21:10:59 GMT
4 years ago I was being called a negative tool to suggest that we were regressing under Pulis despite spending decent money and we would be better off under a new manager. Now, under a new manager, we are better off, we play better football, we concede fewer goals, we score more goals, we win more games, we finish higher and we get more points. Now we're dripping in cash and Uncle Peter wants to spend it on seriously talented nogger players YET we have negative shit like this thread.
You couldn't make it up.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 7, 2015 21:11:23 GMT
Wolly was thrown in the deep end without an opportunity to acclimatise. He had no real opportunity to have a settled partnership. I am reserving any judgement until he has had a pre-season. People are too quick to form opinions without giving players a reasonable chance to settle. Muni is now being hailed but it isn't that long since he was being criticised as lightweight as was Bojan of course. I would start Muni ahead of Wolly but Wolly ahead of Wilson. Our bigger need is a RB.
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 7, 2015 21:35:51 GMT
Last season's numbers suggest that we had more problem scoring goals rather than conceding too many. And this despite frequent changes in the back four and a goalkeeper not at his best. Spend the money up front.
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