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Post by GoBoks on Jul 2, 2015 22:01:09 GMT
Based on the ideas in the thread on "What Makes A Good Season", I decided to do a little more work on the evaluation table and then apply it to each of our last 7 seasons.
To recap, the criteria for judging the "greatness" of our season is as follows:
Criteria Table ................................................5...................3....................1 ............................Weight.......Great..........Very Good........Good League Position.........5............Top 7..........Top 10..........Top 13 Points........................2..............55...............50..................47 Goals Scored.............2..............55...............50..................46 Goal Difference.........2..............+5................0..................-4 Finish Above 1..........2..........Any Big 6......Newcastle.....West Ham Finish Above 2..........1...........Everton.......Aston Villa.....Sunderland Points against top 6...2..............12................9 ....................6 Cups.........................3...Final or SF&QF:...SF or QF*2:.....QF or Last 16*2 Other Criteria............1............Any 3...........Any 2.............Any 1 Definitions: Big 6 Teams = ManU, ManC, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool Other Criteria:(A)Break T/Fer Record…(B)Have a current England International….(C)Have 2 Top 15 country internationals….(D)Play in Europe Proper,….(E)Top Midlands Club….(F)Beat any top 6 away….(G)Thrash anyone (4 or more goal win)….(H)Someone scores a hat trick
Top 15 Country = Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, England, France, Germany, Holland, Italy, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Switzerland, Uruguay
Reserve teams = West Brom, Southampton, Leicester, Wolves, Swansea, Bolton. If a team listed in "Finish Above" is not in prem, all teams move up one spot and "reserve teams come in at the finish above 2 spot. See 2009-10 & 2010-11 for examples.
Actual Performance ................................2008-9.......2009-10........2010-11.......2011-12........2012-13.......2013-14.........2014-15 League Position............12..............11...................13.................14...................14................9.....................9 Points...........................45..............47..................46..................45...................42...............50...................54 Goals Scored................38...............34.................46..................36....................34...............45...................48 Goal Difference..........-17.............-14..................-2................-17...................-11..............-7....................3 Finish Above 1............NU..............Sun.................WH..................-.....................NU..............NU...................NU Finish Above 2...........Sun..............WH...................-...................AV....................AV..............AV..................... E Points against top 6......11...............5...................8....................11.....................7...............10....................16 Cups..........................- , QF.......QF , L16............F , L16..........QF , L16..............- , -...........- , L!6..........L16 , L16 Other Criteria...............A.................-...................A,G..............A,B,D....................-...............E,H...............E,F,G,H
and finally the points allocated for each season. 65+ points = Great 30-64 points = Very Good, 11 - 30 points = Good. Winning any "proper" honor = Automatic Excellent Season, Relegation = Automatic Terrible Season.
Points .................................2008-9...2009-10...2010-11...2011-12...2012-13...2013-14...2014-15 League Position..............5..............5...............5..............0...............0..............15.............15 Points.............................0..............2...............0..............0...............0...............6................6 Goals Scored..................0...............0...............2..............0...............0...............0................2 Goal Difference..............0...............0...............2..............0...............0...............0................6 Finish Above 1...............6...............2...............2..............0...............6...............6................6 Finish Above 2...............1...............3...............0..............3...............3...............3................5 Points against top 6.......6...............0...............2..............6...............2...............6..............10 Cups..............................3...............3..............15.............3...............0...............0................3 Other Criteria.............1...............0...............3..............5...............0...............3................5 TOTAL POINTS...........22.............15.............31............17............11..............39..............58
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Post by ayem on Jul 2, 2015 22:09:24 GMT
Good then. Yes we did go the last few years.
Seriously, thanks for the break down. Love solid numbers.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 2, 2015 22:34:45 GMT
Fixed Formatting to make it easier to read!
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Post by scottzbj on Jul 3, 2015 1:55:19 GMT
Splendid - I'll be printing that out and anlaysing during my morning dump.
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Post by ryouonthistrain on Jul 3, 2015 2:12:57 GMT
Loving this!! Been arguing with a couple of Wet Sham friends of mine that in recent history we have been better then them. Their come back is we are far bigger than you. I hate this bigger club = better opinion that lots of premier league fans have.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 3, 2015 3:29:25 GMT
The.. wha... .. so that's.. hang on, it's... 55 points I think, but then.. wait, it's "any big 6" or "12"..... what are the options again.. Brazil, or Costa Rica, or Wolves reserves.. sorry which comes first?.... and.... "If a team listed in "Finish Above" is not in prem, all teams move up one spot and "reserve teams come in at the finish above 2 spot"
I love it but I don't know what it is
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 3, 2015 6:35:09 GMT
I'll pass on that one .....
"We are doing fine"
There you go - 4 words that sums Stoke current situation up
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jul 3, 2015 7:21:59 GMT
I'm not sure I get it.
The biggest achievement has to staying up first attempt after (26?) years in the wilderness
I agree we've made huge strides in last 2 seasons, but we've had something to build on. When we came up we didn't have a lot.
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Post by Gaz on Jul 3, 2015 8:36:13 GMT
Appreciate the attempt to quantify our performance, but this comparison omits our Europa League adventure (which resulted in a poorer league performance). Personally, I think performance has to be judged against competence - for example, every season in the Prem increases our chances of attracting better players - which increases expectations and hence, the basal performance against which to compare previous seasons. Ultimately, the calculation has to include several powered variables to account for these factors.
Overall, I think we've moved up season by season in equal steps, except for 2011/12/13 where we plateaued a bit (or consolidated, as they say). If you extrapolate the current advance, we should be Champions League material by about 2024.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 7, 2015 20:53:34 GMT
Now that I can make an Excel worksheet a picture, Here goes with trying to make this a little easier to read.... First the Criteria :
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 7, 2015 20:54:14 GMT
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 7, 2015 20:55:06 GMT
and finally how many "achievement points we receive for that seasons accomplishments:
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 7, 2015 20:57:05 GMT
Loving this!! Been arguing with a couple of Wet Sham friends of mine that in recent history we have been better then them. Their come back is we are far bigger than you. I hate this bigger club = better opinion that lots of premier league fans have. They are bigger but I definitely wouldn't say they're far bigger!
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 7, 2015 20:57:46 GMT
The close season on the Oatcake is far more entertaining than during the season.
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Post by foster on Jul 8, 2015 10:33:47 GMT
and finally how many "achievement points we receive for that seasons accomplishments: Good work mate but how come you have considered goals conceded? (Since you have goals scored) or clean sheets? I assume we were better defensively in the earlier years while Pulis was in charge.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 8, 2015 11:06:59 GMT
Loving this!! Been arguing with a couple of Wet Sham friends of mine that in recent history we have been better then them. Their come back is we are far bigger than you. I hate this bigger club = better opinion that lots of premier league fans have. I agree. I hate this modern idea that popular = good, (most popular = best) when in fact it often means exactly the opposite. We are guilty of looking at Stoke through rose tinted spectacles and unfairly deriding other teams, just like other teams fans. Love the opening post thanks. Should we get extra bonus points for beating Liverpool 6 - 1?
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