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Post by upthefud on Jun 16, 2015 23:37:06 GMT
I still think Charlie could do a job, not the same player as N'Zonzi but much more forward drive if we wanna hit teams on the counter and he's certainly one to get stuck in. No point keeping N'Zonzi if he doesn't want to be here.
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Post by prudhoe on Jun 16, 2015 23:45:11 GMT
So yet again. For the third close season in a row N'zonzi is trying to leave. And so many people on here have argued with me all season when I say I hate him and can't wait for him to go. I'm having a party when N'zonzi goes. I can't fucking wait!
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Post by arnie3010 on Jun 16, 2015 23:53:00 GMT
If it's true who would be the replacement? Stambouli and another midfielder?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 17, 2015 0:05:43 GMT
Strange situation this is, in that I love N'Zonzi's dad for fathering such a fabulous footballer.
But I fucking hate his guts and I hope a fucking crocodile eats him, the greedy, affair-meddling cockgobbler.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 1:20:34 GMT
So yet again. For the third close season in a row N'zonzi is trying to leave. And so many people on here have argued with me all season when I say I hate him and can't wait for him to go. I'm having a party when N'zonzi goes. I can't fucking wait! Now get off the fence and tell us what you really think. Though gotta say I tend to agree.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 17, 2015 1:28:18 GMT
Possibly a whelan upgrade mate , but I would like to see a like for like replacement I just think it is so obvious and I've thought it for weeks. Step forward Geoff Cameron!
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Post by tonedepear on Jun 17, 2015 1:57:24 GMT
I just think it is so obvious and I've thought it for weeks. Step forward Geoff Cameron! And/or Marc Muniesa!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 17, 2015 2:04:34 GMT
I still think Charlie could do a job, not the same player as N'Zonzi but much more forward drive if we wanna hit teams on the counter and he's certainly one to get stuck in. No point keeping N'Zonzi if he doesn't want to be here. Thats the point of Bojan though, for forward drive, he needs someone behind him that can hold the ball up and pick the right pass, it's what N'Zonzi does best, some seem to be underestimating how important he is to the team and how difficult it would be to replace him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 17, 2015 2:05:00 GMT
I just think it is so obvious and I've thought it for weeks. Step forward Geoff Cameron! To clean his boots?
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Post by tonedepear on Jun 17, 2015 2:22:01 GMT
Step forward Geoff Cameron! To clean his boots? Just to have a bit of a gurn, then toss a ropey cross in with the outside of his wrong foot I think?
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Post by upthefud on Jun 17, 2015 2:32:29 GMT
I still think Charlie could do a job, not the same player as N'Zonzi but much more forward drive if we wanna hit teams on the counter and he's certainly one to get stuck in. No point keeping N'Zonzi if he doesn't want to be here. Thats the point of Bojan though, for forward drive, he needs someone behind him that can hold the ball up and pick the right pass, it's what N'Zonzi does best, some seem to be underestimating how important he is to the team and how difficult it would be to replace him. I'm not disagreeing with the importance of an inform N'Zonzi, let's not forget though games like Newcastle at home earlier on in the season when IMHO he was off the pace, his slow ball rotation cost us several opportunities to get Moses or Diouf away when they were pushing men forward. Adam is not as good a player as N'Zonzi, he doesn't have the physical presence or calm head BUT he will tackle and he will get attacks started. If nothing else it's at least worth a look in pre-season.
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Post by enuntio on Jun 17, 2015 3:08:46 GMT
N'Fonzi has spat the dummy out on more than one occasion. Sell him asap
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 17, 2015 5:59:40 GMT
I still think Charlie could do a job, not the same player as N'Zonzi but much more forward drive if we wanna hit teams on the counter and he's certainly one to get stuck in. No point keeping N'Zonzi if he doesn't want to be here. Not often I agree with your opinion but this is the most sensible post on this thread thus far. Unbelievable bed wetting on something that most likely is a complete load of crap. If true we already have someone who has proven to be very capable of stepping in, and he as publically stated he wants to extend his contract. If I was part of Marks team I'd be looking at securing Charlie's future before nzonzi. At least we know this fella wants to be here.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 17, 2015 6:04:27 GMT
I still think Charlie could do a job, not the same player as N'Zonzi but much more forward drive if we wanna hit teams on the counter and he's certainly one to get stuck in. No point keeping N'Zonzi if he doesn't want to be here. Not often I agree with your opinion but this is the most sensible post on this thread thus far. Unbelievable bed wetting on something that most likely is a complete load of crap. If true we already have someone who has proven to be very capable of stepping in, and he as publically stated he wants to extend his contract. If I was part of Marks team I'd be looking at securing Charlie's future before nzonzi. At least we know this fella wants to be here. Terrific post if he goes and Bojans back Charlie's earnt his place in CM. I'd still get a good CM in though as we need options as Charlie like most has his off days.
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Post by knype on Jun 17, 2015 6:04:39 GMT
All of these people slagging Nzonzi off and saying sell him as soon as possible. Who in our current squad can do what Nzonzi does? Answer none of them! Nzonzi was absolute class last season and will take some replacing, what we should be doing is putting him up with the highest earners at the club! IMO he is invaluable.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2015 6:18:29 GMT
All of these people slagging Nzonzi off and saying sell him as soon as possible. Who in our current squad can do what Nzonzi does? Answer none of them! Nzonzi was absolute class last season and will take some replacing, what we should be doing is putting him up with the highest earners at the club! IMO he is invaluable. Glad I never took to him other than the last few games of the season. He spent seasons and a large chunk of this season dithering in midfield, passing sideways, refusing to shoot and chip in with goals. So him. There are players out there that can and will do it on a more regular basis and not just the last two home games of the season. And dont give me that bollocks of being player of the year. As has been said by many on here, the competition for individual performances was pretty low in what was a great team season. Nzonzi or Roberto or Dembele? Not even a debate for me. By the way stevey boy, forget the top four over here. They've never sniffed before for obvious reasons, and they won't now unless an unused squad player at best though can't see it. Trot off abroad and get your dad to keep stiring the shit every summer. Now let's sign someone committed to playing for stoke. Time to take down the cum stained posters boys!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 17, 2015 6:20:46 GMT
All of these people slagging Nzonzi off and saying sell him as soon as possible. Who in our current squad can do what Nzonzi does? Answer none of them! Nzonzi was absolute class last season and will take some replacing, what we should be doing is putting him up with the highest earners at the club! IMO he is invaluable. Agreed Knype. People will realise what we've lost only when he's gone it seems. The other thing is that we still haven't heard this from the man himself. His Dad has spoken but as we know even N'Zonzi thinks his Dad talks shit. Time will tell.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 17, 2015 6:31:57 GMT
Really don't see what Charlie Adam's future has got to do with NZonzi's position - totally different players in my book and I'm afraid however much you try to rationalise it losing NZonzi would be a significant (but probably inevitable) blow.
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Post by fca47 on Jun 17, 2015 6:37:15 GMT
I would be really surprised if Arsenal or Totenham were interested in him, maybe Liverpool as their midfield looks shocking. He was player of the year, but only because he finished it well, people forget the beginning of the season, Burnley, Villa etc. where he was shocking. I don't want him to go, as he is potentially our best midfielder, but no way is he good enough for a top four side. He will either be a bench filler for a top six side or make a sideways move to somewhere like Everton.
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Post by knype on Jun 17, 2015 6:38:13 GMT
All of these people slagging Nzonzi off and saying sell him as soon as possible. Who in our current squad can do what Nzonzi does? Answer none of them! Nzonzi was absolute class last season and will take some replacing, what we should be doing is putting him up with the highest earners at the club! IMO he is invaluable. Glad I never took to him other than the last few games of the season. He spent seasons and a large chunk of this season dithering in midfield, passing sideways, refusing to shoot and chip in with goals. So him. There are players out there that can and will do it on a more regular basis and not just the last two home games of the season. And dont give me that bollocks of being player of the year. As has been said by many on here, the competition for individual performances was pretty low in what was a great team season. Nzonzi or Roberto or Dembele? Not even a debate for me. By the way stevey boy, forget the top four over here. They've never sniffed before for obvious reasons, and they won't now unless an unused squad player at best though can't see it. Trot off abroad and get your dad to keep stiring the shit every summer. Now let's sign someone committed to playing for stoke. Time to take down the cum stained posters boys! Wow. He was outstanding last season for me from start to finish, yes he had some inconsistent games but he wouldnt be at Stoke if he performed at the top of his game week in week out. Nzonzi is like a Rolls Royce in our midfield alongside some BMW's.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2015 6:38:37 GMT
If he doesn't sign, I hope hughesy goes out and absolutely smashes our transfer record to sign the box to box midfield dynamo that chips in with more than 1 or 2 goals a season and gives us an nzonzi v Liverpool performance more than once or twice a season.
Go get your man sparky!
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2015 6:46:23 GMT
Glad I never took to him other than the last few games of the season. He spent seasons and a large chunk of this season dithering in midfield, passing sideways, refusing to shoot and chip in with goals. So him. There are players out there that can and will do it on a more regular basis and not just the last two home games of the season. And dont give me that bollocks of being player of the year. As has been said by many on here, the competition for individual performances was pretty low in what was a great team season. Nzonzi or Roberto or Dembele? Not even a debate for me. By the way stevey boy, forget the top four over here. They've never sniffed before for obvious reasons, and they won't now unless an unused squad player at best though can't see it. Trot off abroad and get your dad to keep stiring the shit every summer. Now let's sign someone committed to playing for stoke. Time to take down the cum stained posters boys! Wow. He was outstanding last season for me from start to finish, yes he had some inconsistent games but he wouldnt be at Stoke if he performed at the top of his game week in week out. Nzonzi is like a Rolls Royce in our midfield alongside some BMW's. See this is what I don't like. Someone who does it once or twice a season else he wouldn't be at stoke. Go get a 15m Dynamo that in two seasons would make us 30m. Would be easy for nzonzi to get snapped up for 6-8m now with 12 months left, but no bugger would ever spend cabaye money on him.
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Post by sportsman on Jun 17, 2015 6:49:02 GMT
He's had a good season, but not irreplaceable. If we can get £10 million for him, he can be replaced. Decent player, but his attitude over the years hasn't endeared him to many supporters. Good luck to him, but would be funny if he ended up at somewhere like West Brom, he's not as good as he thinks he is. Agreed
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 17, 2015 6:50:11 GMT
To be honest I must say N'Zonzi will improve all the three mention clubs' midfield! Spurs haven't found anyone to do the kind of job Zonz has done at Stoke, Lpool have Lucas, but he seems to be injured most of the time. Arsenal has Coqelin (spelling!), but he is mainly good at winning the ball. Zonz can win the ball, but he can also be very good with the ball at his feet. My opinion is that he actually could improve all these teams' midfield!
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 17, 2015 6:53:18 GMT
Hes is just rattling his sabre as per usual....
Don't worry ladies - he'll be here come the first day of the season.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 17, 2015 6:53:33 GMT
I have always found it peculiar how 'football' tries to make rules which sets it apart from other working situations /normal working conditions.We used to have the 'maximum wage', which clearly contravened the free market. We have the ludicrous and extortionate 'transfer fees' which I guess is really the buying up of contracts.We try to impose the concept of 'loyalty ' on players, as though it is an unwritten law that they should abide by it. N'Zonzi is fulfilling his contract obligations to the full. At the end of his contract he is free. That puts him into a strong bargaining position of having say a £5m signing on fee, rather than that money going between the clubs, Makes sense from his point of view. Didn't we get Diouf in the same way? Don't get me wrong, I wish all our players were fiercely loyal to Stoke, particularly how we finished last season. Begovic is another player in whose own self interest it pays to run down his contract.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Jun 17, 2015 6:54:54 GMT
I think let him run his contract down we don't need the money as badly as him.We get another season and who knows with him we get aEuropean place and hopefully a cup run. In the meantime we have more time to get a replacement for the following season.Certainly Muniesa is worth a try in midfield
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 17, 2015 6:56:08 GMT
Hope he stays. If he wants out best thing that could happen would be an auction.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 17, 2015 6:57:15 GMT
This is fact then? Or is like Walters the other day?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 17, 2015 6:57:37 GMT
Unless we can get over 10 million i'd be tempted to keep him and run down his contract. He'll still be busting a gut to play well to get a good deal. Some players I'd be happy to keep whilst they ran down their contract. There are some players who just seem to do the decent thing and stay focussed until their contracts end. I'm not sure that N'Zonzi falls into that category - if we let his contract run down he probably wouldn't deliberately stop trying but he's such a moody bugger that I think it would be inevitable that his performance would drop off. Sadly, if he won't sign a new contract then I think we have to let him go this summer and hopefully, we are already working on a replacement if he does go. Maybe he'll sign though - he does have "form" for changing his mind. Sadly, I think Bego falls into the same category of losing his concentration at the thought of a move. He hasn't looked his best in the season just ended - I'll be happier with Jack between the sticks next season.
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