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Post by adamsson on Jul 7, 2015 19:15:38 GMT
Peter Coates is a business man. He won't be happy that this situation has developed in the first place and he'll be even less happy to lose him for nothing. It just doesn't fit with the new ethos of 'self sufficiency'. If SN'Z isn't prepared to sign a new deal then he will be sold. It might be a late deal and it might be as late as January, but he won't leave for nothing. Don't see it that way. Having N'Zonzi in the side is of value (maybe not as much as some value him but still) if no one offers that value then he will get the chance to play well and earn a free transfer to a (nearly) top club. The better he plays the better his next deal so he should be motivated. There is no need to worry about a couple of million.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 7, 2015 19:15:44 GMT
It is shit as his value is what the selling club and the buying club agree to and that website has absolutely no idea of how that value is measured. OK, but you need something to see more less how much the player costs before you go and negotiate with him, right? The buying club needs something to get an estimation of how much he costs just before they stablish the first offer. No you don't. The price is dependent on how much the club want to keep him and how much the other club need him. That website isn't worth anything to be honest and neither is any other. It's pure speculation based entirely on guess work. A player's value will differ depending on which club want him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:16:12 GMT
Sevilla please excuse my poor English but please bog off you know nothing of how our Club is run, we are a solid well run club with finances well under control. I'm not talking about your club as an example, I'm talking about the Premier League in general. I think it's by far the best league in the whole world in organization but it's way worse than Spanish League or Calcio in how competitive clubs are, and I honestly think the main factor that affects that is the way you buy and how much you pay for them. That's it. I'm not obviously talking about Stoke because I got no idea how you work.Well that's nice to hear. Stoka is a good club
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:16:22 GMT
Sevilla please excuse my poor English but please bog off you know nothing of how our Club is run, we are a solid well run club with finances well under control. I'm not talking about your club as an example, I'm talking about the Premier League in general. I think it's by far the best league in the whole world in organization but it's way worse than Spanish League or Calcio in how competitive clubs are, and I honestly think the main factor that affects that is the way you buy and how much you pay for them. That's it. I'm not obviously talking about Stoke because I got no idea how you work. Sorry but I do not for one minute believe your Spanish or even a real Sevilla fan in my humble opinion you my friend are a WUM so I repeat bog off or if you prefer atascar fuera you are making yourself look even more daft than I am.
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Post by sevillafc on Jul 7, 2015 19:17:10 GMT
I'm not talking about your club as an example, I'm talking about the Premier League in general. I think it's by far the best league in the whole world in organization but it's way worse than Spanish League or Calcio in how competitive clubs are, and I honestly think the main factor that affects that is the way you buy and how much you pay for them. That's it. I'm not obviously talking about Stoke because I got no idea how you work.Well that's nice to hear. Stoka is a good club Obviously if you're a Stoke supporter you're gonna say that...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:18:28 GMT
Well that's nice to hear. Stoka is a good club Obviously if you're a Stoke supporter you're gonna say that... But how can you say the same about Seville?
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Post by sevillafc on Jul 7, 2015 19:20:24 GMT
I'm not talking about your club as an example, I'm talking about the Premier League in general. I think it's by far the best league in the whole world in organization but it's way worse than Spanish League or Calcio in how competitive clubs are, and I honestly think the main factor that affects that is the way you buy and how much you pay for them. That's it. I'm not obviously talking about Stoke because I got no idea how you work. Sorry but I do not for one minute believe your Spanish or even a real Sevilla fan in my humble opinion you my friend are a WUM so I repeat bog off you are making yourself look even more daft than I am. I'm being quite soft (let's say). Most people all over Spain think like this. Trust me (well, you gotta trust me as you got no idea of what Spanish people think about what I've told you haha).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:20:25 GMT
Sevilla see below :-)
Por favor, deje su hacerte ver como un idiota.
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Post by sevillafc on Jul 7, 2015 19:21:27 GMT
Obviously if you're a Stoke supporter you're gonna say that... But how can you say the same about Seville? Sevilla is considered a great club internationally, we were given the prize of the best club in the whole world in 2007... No comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:22:20 GMT
But how can you say the same about Seville? Sevilla is considered a great club internationally, we were given the prize of the best club in the whole world in 2007... No comparison. PMSL
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Post by sevillafc on Jul 7, 2015 19:22:32 GMT
Sevilla see below :-) Por favor, deje su hacerte ver como un idiota. No estoy dejandome ver como un idiota, simplemente doy mi opinión sobre cómo se gestiona el dinero en la Premier y el por qué de que esta sea tan poco competitiva en Europa. No se si me entiendes, figura
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:22:57 GMT
But how can you say the same about Seville? Sevilla is considered a great club internationally, we were given the prize of the best club in the whole world in 2007... No comparison. Omg
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Post by 99problems on Jul 7, 2015 19:26:11 GMT
I'll concede that for English players it is overpriced, however your clubs valuation of Steven falls far, far short of his real value. He does very well in a competitive premier league, so would ruin most of the clubs in your league on his own. In short, Sevilla must our valuation or move on to some other target. Well I say tough shit. You have to pay closer to what he's worth rather than try and take the piss. He plays in the premier league, not in Spain, therefore you will have to pay more than you would like. I would rather force feed him pies for the next few months and turn him into a fat twat than sell him to Sevilla for a pittance. Come back with a better offer or you won't get him, nor would you deserve to. www.transfermarkt.es/steven-nzonzi/profil/spieler/73734Ahh well if transfer market says it, it must be true.
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Post by sevillafc on Jul 7, 2015 19:26:57 GMT
Ahh well if transfer market says it, it must be true. Didn't say it's the truth. It's just an estimation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:28:10 GMT
Usted está comenting en nuestros comentarios club decisiones como a la forma en que se ejecutan cuando se confía en mí que tenemos más dinero que el Sevilla pagar más salarios que Sevilla y son un club mejor funcionamiento en una mejor liga de Sevilla . Lo siento algunos de sus comentarios podrían haberse perdido en la traducción pero son tontos e ignorantes en su comprensión del Stoke City FC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:29:55 GMT
Usted está comenting en nuestros comentarios club decisiones como a la forma en que se ejecutan cuando se confía en mí que tenemos más dinero que el Sevilla pagar más salarios que Sevilla y son un club mejor funcionamiento en una mejor liga de Sevilla . Lo siento algunos de sus comentarios podrían haberse perdido en la traducción pero son tontos e ignorantes en su comprensión del Stoke City FC. That's what I would have said. A?
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 7, 2015 19:30:30 GMT
Peter Coates is a business man. He won't be happy that this situation has developed in the first place and he'll be even less happy to lose him for nothing. It just doesn't fit with the new ethos of 'self sufficiency'. If SN'Z isn't prepared to sign a new deal then he will be sold. It might be a late deal and it might be as late as January, but he won't leave for nothing. Quite agree, if Zonz wants to sign for Sevilla he will sign for Sevilla at a price Sevilla dictate, that's an unfortunate reality. It's pointless talking about keeping him next season and letting him go on a free (ironically this would be Zonz's best option!!) Why keep an under motivated player for a season and risk damage to team moral. The best we can hope for is another larger European side will express an interest very soon. I disagree. We are firmly in the driving seat. N'Zonzi and or his father want him to play for them this season as obviously they are in the CL. However, I very much doubt they'll be in the competition next year. There is nothing even guaranteeing that they will be in the UEFA Cup competition. It's only the last couple of years they've done well! It is a far less attractive proposition for a player of Zonzi's calibre. Which to me means if they want him they have to cough up and they know it and that is with them capitalising on their CL place. His father will be absolutely chomping at the bit to get it tied up this window so that his son gets the maximum exposure. We don't have to sell unless we want to and that will only happen at a price that pleases Mr Coates. The ball is quite firmly in our court and I say fuck em.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 7, 2015 19:31:29 GMT
Their sports paper speculating he may be prepared to not travel to Singapore. That'll go down well! Estadio DeportivoMonchi has not had much luck on his journey to England to be with Steven N'Zonzi. Stoke City, although the player will have one year remaining on his contract, has been very hard, but the footballer's mind right now does not pass anything to come sooner to Nervion, and it has been done Sevilla know.
So, the former footballer of Backburn, if not get out before going to force the issue to the point of refusing to travel with the rest of the staff of the 'Potters' to tour the club has prepared for Asia, where he will participate in the 'Barclays Asia Trophy', between 15 and 18 July.
Although there is no confirmed date of departure, it seems that this week the Stoke City will leave for Singapore, a concentration at which it should no longer be N'Zonzi. If so, therefore, this seems a key to the signing of midfielder, who come to provide power, good ball and a remarkable aerial game to the core of Unai Emery week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:32:42 GMT
Usted está comenting en nuestros comentarios club decisiones como a la forma en que se ejecutan cuando se confía en mí que tenemos más dinero que el Sevilla pagar más salarios que Sevilla y son un club mejor funcionamiento en una mejor liga de Sevilla . Lo siento algunos de sus comentarios podrían haberse perdido en la traducción pero son tontos e ignorantes en su comprensión del Stoke City FC. That's what I would have said. A? Google translate is ace
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Post by sevillafc on Jul 7, 2015 19:36:55 GMT
Usted está comenting en nuestros comentarios club decisiones como a la forma en que se ejecutan cuando se confía en mí que tenemos más dinero que el Sevilla pagar más salarios que Sevilla y son un club mejor funcionamiento en una mejor liga de Sevilla . Lo siento algunos de sus comentarios podrían haberse perdido en la traducción pero son tontos e ignorantes en su comprensión del Stoke City FC. La ligera diferencia es que ese dinero que tenéis de más NO REPERCUTE en el rendimiento final. Tenéis más del doble de presupuesto por TV que nosotros pero sin embargo estáis a años luz en cuanto a competitividad de nosotros. ¿Casualidad? No lo creo. Y ahí es donde se refuta mi argumento, si los equipos de la Premier con el doble de presupuesto no son capaces de competirle al Sevilla y ganar Europa Leagues por un tubo y que todos los equipos ingleses lleguen a las fases finales con cierta facilidad, me lleva a la conclusión de que la Premier League (en competitividad) es un completo fracaso. PS: I'm not gonna talk in Spanish anymore just to respect people who know nothing about Spanish.
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Post by algor on Jul 7, 2015 19:38:49 GMT
Ahh well if transfer market says it, it must be true. But the Club the poster supports was voted the best ever club in the world ever in 2007 by no one any where, what ever he says must be fact I have always enjoyed having opposition fans on this board, good insight and good banter but this guy takes the biscuit! His arrogance concerning both his club and his poxy national league is amazing, it makes Newcastle fans seem humble. I mean how dare we set a price to sell one of our players. This is Jimmy Sevilla FC and we should just bend over and do what the mighty celebrity instructs us to do!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:38:52 GMT
Usted está comenting en nuestros comentarios club decisiones como a la forma en que se ejecutan cuando se confía en mí que tenemos más dinero que el Sevilla pagar más salarios que Sevilla y son un club mejor funcionamiento en una mejor liga de Sevilla . Lo siento algunos de sus comentarios podrían haberse perdido en la traducción pero son tontos e ignorantes en su comprensión del Stoke City FC. La ligera diferencia es que ese dinero que tenéis de más NO REPERCUTE en el rendimiento final. Tenéis más del doble de presupuesto por TV que nosotros pero sin embargo estáis a años luz en cuanto a competitividad de nosotros. ¿Casualidad? No lo creo. Y ahí es donde se refuta mi argumento, si los equipos de la Premier con el doble de presupuesto no son capaces de competirle al Sevilla y ganar Europa Leagues por un tubo y que todos los equipos ingleses lleguen a las fases finales con cierta facilidad, me lleva a la conclusión de que la Premier League (en competitividad) es un completo fracaso. PS: I'm not gonna talk in Spanish anymore just to respect people who know nothing about Spanish. This guy is a loon. He's talking about winning the Europa League with a pipe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:39:40 GMT
Usted está comenting en nuestros comentarios club decisiones como a la forma en que se ejecutan cuando se confía en mí que tenemos más dinero que el Sevilla pagar más salarios que Sevilla y son un club mejor funcionamiento en una mejor liga de Sevilla . Lo siento algunos de sus comentarios podrían haberse perdido en la traducción pero son tontos e ignorantes en su comprensión del Stoke City FC. La ligera diferencia es que ese dinero que tenéis de más NO REPERCUTE en el rendimiento final. Tenéis más del doble de presupuesto por TV que nosotros pero sin embargo estáis a años luz en cuanto a competitividad de nosotros. ¿Casualidad? No lo creo. Y ahí es donde se refuta mi argumento, si los equipos de la Premier con el doble de presupuesto no son capaces de competirle al Sevilla y ganar Europa Leagues por un tubo y que todos los equipos ingleses lleguen a las fases finales con cierta facilidad, me lleva a la conclusión de que la Premier League (en competitividad) es un completo fracaso. PS: I'm not gonna talk in Spanish anymore just to respect people who know nothing about Spanish. ok no hay problema simplemente jugar con usted, usted ve como un buen amigo. Mucha suerte la próxima temporada con o sin Fonzy .
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 7, 2015 19:42:47 GMT
For the record however, I believe N'Zonzi will sign a contract with us in the next two weeks(ish).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:45:45 GMT
Buenas noches Sevilla te estoy dejando ahora mejor suerte la próxima temporada.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 19:51:15 GMT
..... has he gone? .....
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 7, 2015 19:54:58 GMT
For the record however, I believe N'Zonzi will sign a contract with us in the next two weeks(ish). I hope so, but the vibes I am getting from my "sauces" is that SNZ and his dad are a pain, that the club have reached the end of their tether with them, that he has his heart set on a move to Sevilla and it is just a matter of Stoke and Sevilla agreeing a fee, and Stoke lining up a replacement (presumably Sergi Roberto).
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 7, 2015 19:55:35 GMT
I think I'd rather keep hold of him for the season and let him go for nowt next summer. You mean keep him till January, where he signs a pre contract with a foreign club and spends the 2nd half of the season trying to avoid injury? Either sign him up on a new deal or sell for what we can get IMO. We're not going to get an equal quality replacement for what? £7mill? Keeping him will give us 12 months breathing space and in the grand scheme of premier league football, is £7million that much?
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Post by ttownstokie on Jul 7, 2015 19:55:42 GMT
Sevillanos que nos bote eh eh....puta Sevilla, puta capital...hay que quemar la Pizjuan, con todos los biris dentro,es el asco de mi vida y la llevo muy por dentro.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 7, 2015 19:57:11 GMT
For the record however, I believe N'Zonzi will sign a contract with us in the next two weeks(ish). I hope so, but the vibes I am getting from my "sauces" is that SNZ and his dad are a pain, that the club have reached the end of their tether with them, that he has his heart set on a move to Sevilla and it is just a matter of Stoke and Sevilla agreeing a fee, and Stoke lining up a replacement (presumably Sergi Roberto). What compromise fee can you see, Jezza? Surely it'd have to be up around £6m, even if we were reluctantly prepared to wash our hands of him. If they aren't even prepared to go there, what do we do?
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