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Post by liathroid on Jun 4, 2015 21:08:44 GMT
Irish fa is for the Northern Ireland ,FAI is for the Rep of Ireland we got a loan for the stadium ,UAFA also dropped us a few bob
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 4, 2015 22:17:45 GMT
At the end of the day the fact is the Irish fa have a nice little earner, the players have a nice summer holiday rather than a World Cup and again the real people that suffer are the fans!!!!! Same old Whilst I agree that the fans have been cheated they have been cheated by the ref not FIFA, it happens every week, I don't understand why FIFA did this maybe they just has too much cash. Lets be honest the FAI's case would have been laughed out of court and if it wasn't then that would have been the real end of football, if every poor ref decision was taken to court then the game would be unplayable, maybe FIFA did the right thing on this occasion (fuck me that stuck in my throat! Maybe the ref was in on it. If the ref had been instructed to make decisions favourable to the French (and presumably paid) then FIFA would have a lot to lose by it going through the courts If FIFA have such a liberal view of payments towards delegates and football associations to influence decisions its not beyond the realms to think that this could also extend to officials.
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Post by scottzbj on Jun 5, 2015 1:09:33 GMT
I give up.. It's just shit, takes too long, takes the euphoria out of goals and deep down we all love whinging about mistakes/cheating/refs. I hate it in rugby and I really hate it in cricket. Loada wank! Doesn't it mean you get to celebrate the goals twice though? Once when they go in and then when confirmed. 12-2 baby!
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 5, 2015 6:38:18 GMT
I give up.. It's just shit, takes too long, takes the euphoria out of goals and deep down we all love whinging about mistakes/cheating/refs. I hate it in rugby and I really hate it in cricket. Loada wank! Come on Bayern it doesn't take too long at all "We all love whinging about mistakes" - that maybe the case mate, but every professional team up and down the country has been shat on by poor decision making. If this was eradicated, by a simple review, that would only be a good thing..... Wait till we get shafted AGAIN this coming season.....
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Post by jpm64 on Jun 5, 2015 9:38:01 GMT
Whilst I agree that the fans have been cheated they have been cheated by the ref not FIFA, it happens every week, I don't understand why FIFA did this maybe they just has too much cash. Lets be honest the FAI's case would have been laughed out of court and if it wasn't then that would have been the real end of football, if every poor ref decision was taken to court then the game would be unplayable, maybe FIFA did the right thing on this occasion (fuck me that stuck in my throat! Maybe the ref was in on it. If the ref had been instructed to make decisions favourable to the French (and presumably paid) then FIFA would have a lot to lose by it going through the courts If FIFA have such a liberal view of payments towards delegates and football associations to influence decisions its not beyond the realms to think that this could also extend to officials. I doubt very much the ref was in on it, if he had been surely he'd have made sure it didn't get to extra time by making decisions earlier on in the game agains Ireland/in favour of France ? He made a mistake pure and simple.... The biggest Twat in all this is the cheating bastard Henry, it makes me sick how everyone at Sky fawn over the cunt !! His cheating cost Ireland a place in the World Cup and I'm sure FIFA were delighted !!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 10:19:07 GMT
the simple fact is (as has been pointed out) that the FAI were considering taking legal action due to loss of revenue etc. because of their lack of progression in the Cup....FIFA offered the money as a settlement to prevent that happening (that may seem unpallatable but is done regularly every day in all walks of life and is not illegal).
yes, the players and fans would still be seething and this money wouldn't satisfy them BUT the players and fans are NOT a legally accepted body or organisation..the FAI are, hence the money being paid to them! it's not up to FIFA to make that public to the Irish fans,that's the job of the FAI and they quite simply didn't and kept it from them.
if anything it's the FAI that should be being criticised for not consulting players and fans before they took the money (if that's what people are bothered about as it's the FAI that represent them as fans of Ireland NOT FIFA) and for not making it transparent at the time why they had simply stopped any thought of legal proceedings which, at the time, they had made public that they were considering.
FIFA haven't actually broken any rules here...it's simply a story that has come out during the investigation so it's become a news story but it's not something they could face action for. it's simply an interesting "Aside" to the main story to keep it going and to keep papers selling until the revelations of their illegal activities come out.
it's the FAI that have have happily accepted money and then kept things from their own fans and players...why they haven't come under far more criticism for doing so and for "Betraying" their fans is beyond me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2015 11:05:11 GMT
It's just shit, takes too long, takes the euphoria out of goals and deep down we all love whinging about mistakes/cheating/refs. I hate it in rugby and I really hate it in cricket. Loada wank! Come on Bayern it doesn't take too long at all "We all love whinging about mistakes" - that maybe the case mate, but every professional team up and down the country has been shat on by poor decision making. If this was eradicated, by a simple review, that would only be a good thing..... Wait till we get shafted AGAIN this coming season..... Nope, I don't like it.
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 5, 2015 11:14:03 GMT
Could the Irish FA really have gained compensation by going through the courts because of a refs error? It seems to me like the realms of fantasy. So why didn't FIFA just tough it out and say thats sport it happens. One conspiracy theory of course is that if legal investigations were conducted it would throw up a whole can of worms as it has now done. Or Blatter merely sends a sweetener to the Irish FA and then they unofficially 'owe' him a favour like a vote at a presidential election or World Cup bids wink wink.Its called buying god will. Nothing illegal but it sure does add to the argument that Football has lost its moral and ethical compass many years ago.
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Post by yerwot on Jun 5, 2015 11:20:43 GMT
good will, also known as bribery?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 11:49:43 GMT
the simple fact is (as has been pointed out) that the FAI were considering taking legal action due to loss of revenue etc. And how were the FAI going to do that?
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jun 5, 2015 20:06:19 GMT
That must be worth a few quid. His second goal was worth more
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 20:15:26 GMT
the simple fact is (as has been pointed out) that the FAI were considering taking legal action due to loss of revenue etc. And how were the FAI going to do that? ask them mate,they were the ones who very publically stated at the time that there was their intention and (no offence to you) i'm pretty sure their legal team would have looked into whether or not it was possible! If it wasn't possible then FIFA wouldn't have given them the 5mill not to would they? They'd simply have told ireland to piss off and stop whinging.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 20:31:01 GMT
That must be worth a few quid. Yeah off Peter Twatting Shilton. That goal was always his fault the big fucking puff,he came off his line like an old age pensioner doing a superman impression down the Derby and Joan club. The most overrated keeper ever.
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Post by lewando on Jun 5, 2015 22:54:48 GMT
This
FIFA announced on 29 September 2009 that it would modify the draw system used to select second-round pairings by introducing a seeding system. In the draw, held in Zürich on 19 October, the eight teams were divided into two pots of four; France were seeded along with Greece, Portugal and Russia, while Ireland was unseeded, alongside Bosnia and Herzegovina, Slovenia and Ukraine. Ireland was drawn to play France, with the first of their two games to be played in Ireland on 14 November 2009.[8] The way the seeding process was handled led some to claim at the time that UEFA had changed the rules halfway through to favour to the higher profile teams like France and Portugal, preferring them to qualify over "smaller" nations.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2015 22:57:37 GMT
They probably did, they want the best teams in their tournament with the biggest audiences, that's no secret. It really is a small issue.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 5, 2015 23:02:42 GMT
This FIFA announced on 29 September 2009 that it would modify the draw system used to select second-round pairings by introducing a seeding system. In the draw, held in Zürich on 19 October, the eight teams were divided into two pots of four; France were seeded along with Greece, Portugal and Russia, while Ireland was unseeded, alongside Bosnia and Herzegovina, Slovenia and Ukraine. Ireland was drawn to play France, with the first of their two games to be played in Ireland on 14 November 2009.[8] The way the seeding process was handled led some to claim at the time that UEFA had changed the rules halfway through to favour to the higher profile teams like France and Portugal, preferring them to qualify over "smaller" nations. It is obvious that FIFA wanted France in the Finals It's just a question to what lengths they were prepared to go To me, the fact that FIFA paid the Irish authorities off is more than fishy. If it was just about staving off legal action it doesn't make sense at all, because the Irish were only going to gain compensation anyway, so there must have been something else going on. Ireland were never going to get in that Final at the expense of France, not in a million years.
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Post by lewando on Jun 5, 2015 23:09:04 GMT
They probably did, they want the best teams in their tournament with the biggest audiences, that's no secret. It really is a small issue. How about the FA Cup semi finals 2011. Teams: Man Utd. , Man City, Stoke City & Bolton Wanderers. What if the FA changed from a free draw and seeded the two Manchester teams. Stinks doesn't it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2015 23:11:22 GMT
They probably did, they want the best teams in their tournament with the biggest audiences, that's no secret. It really is a small issue. How about the FA Cup semi finals 2011. Teams: Man Utd. , Man City, Stoke City & Bolton Wanderers. What if the FA changed from a free draw and seeded the two Manchester teams. Stinks doesn't it. It does but so does life, you take the challenge and get on with it!
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Post by lewando on Jun 5, 2015 23:24:37 GMT
How about the FA Cup semi finals 2011. Teams: Man Utd. , Man City, Stoke City & Bolton Wanderers. What if the FA changed from a free draw and seeded the two Manchester teams. Stinks doesn't it. It does but so does life, you take the challenge and get on with it! Or you stand up and challenge the law makers or stay down and accept your place.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2015 23:26:59 GMT
It does but so does life, you take the challenge and get on with it! Or you stand up and challenge the law makers or stay down and accept your place. Waste a load of money on some shit lawyer and lose anyway, nah not for me!
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Post by lewando on Jun 5, 2015 23:30:28 GMT
Or you stand up and challenge the law makers or stay down and accept your place. Waste a load of money on some shit lawyer and lose anyway, nah not for me! Looks like you know your place
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2015 23:33:04 GMT
Waste a load of money on some shit lawyer and lose anyway, nah not for me! Looks like you know your place
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Post by lewando on Jun 5, 2015 23:37:10 GMT
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Post by liathroid on Jun 6, 2015 8:29:55 GMT
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Post by henry on Jun 6, 2015 8:53:18 GMT
should we now have retrospective payments for Sol Campbells goal v argentina ? Frank Lampards goal against Germany ? What a crcoc of bollocks this sport has become.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 6, 2015 8:55:22 GMT
should we now have retrospective payments for Sol Campbells goal v argentina ? Frank Lampards goal against Germany ? What a crcoc of bollocks this sport has become. Campbell v Argentina was rightly disallowed.
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Post by henry on Jun 6, 2015 8:57:37 GMT
should we now have retrospective payments for Sol Campbells goal v argentina ? Frank Lampards goal against Germany ? What a crcoc of bollocks this sport has become. Campbell v Argentina was rightly disallowed. After ten pints in the pub there's nothing wrong with it.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Jun 6, 2015 10:05:36 GMT
Now the genie's out of the bottle, the porcelain of world football will be showing up new skid marks every day. I suspect that few of the regional FAs will remain unstained. In this case FIFA are claiming that this was an honest donation to assist with stadium building. I believe that the Aviva stadium was the only one constructed since the payment. Inquisitive people are going to be going through the books on that one, now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 10:20:07 GMT
should we now have retrospective payments for Sol Campbells goal v argentina ? Frank Lampards goal against Germany ? What a crcoc of bollocks this sport has become. Campbell v Argentina was rightly disallowed. If that's the case half of Shearer's goals should be chalked off too.
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