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May 31, 2015 22:33:17 GMT
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Post by Robo10 on May 31, 2015 22:33:17 GMT
Dont want to do it down, I really want it to be a success
But
Its less exciting to watch than your average league 2 game - at least there is some proper blood and guts/thunder on show at 100mph
Watching Seattle v NY Red Bulls (silly name), on a plastic pitch, slow, guys trying but its a dull spectacle, and former English stars from the lower leagues (Bradley Wright Phillips, Tyrone Mears) and an old Obefemwe Martins playing.
Decent crowd and noise, but you can only imagine the ticket demand if they had a better product to watch - the appetite appears to be there, the quality alas not.
Will take time I guess - you wonder what David Villa was thinking joining NYC (as they are v poor, good luck Frank!), or Gerrard as LA are no great shakes either
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Post by mailman44 on May 31, 2015 22:45:07 GMT
Did Bayern Oatcake put you up to this? Tell the truth.
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May 31, 2015 22:51:59 GMT
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Post by Robo10 on May 31, 2015 22:51:59 GMT
:-)
I want it to be better.
Its my only fix all summer!
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May 31, 2015 23:02:47 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on May 31, 2015 23:02:47 GMT
Well I like it and I don't see how it is any worse to watch than if your a follower of Leicster, Villa, Burnley, etc. Off the field I think this is one of the top three leagues in the world in terms of infrastructure, fan passion, media support, and the"match experience." And as far as blood and thunder I see it in the league in spades.
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Jun 1, 2015 0:20:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 0:20:39 GMT
MLS has somehow managed to mildly grab my attention and it could be the perfect antidote in this english summer football vacuum, so i'm going to give it a little go this next few months. Moderately enjoyed the Seattle game today but I need to get a bit more familiar with it before I can really get behind it.
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Jun 1, 2015 0:21:38 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 1, 2015 0:21:38 GMT
MLS has somehow managed to mildly grab my attention and it could be the perfect antidote in this english summer football vacuum, so i'm going to give it a little go this next few months. Moderately enjoyed the Seattle game today but I need to get a bit more familiar with it before I can really get behind it. Just follow Inchy and Orlando City, mate.
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Jun 1, 2015 1:08:48 GMT
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Post by britsabroad on Jun 1, 2015 1:08:48 GMT
I think theyre getting there with the media exposure. The US FA equivalent next needs to stop all the kids giving up football when they leave school and get a field of decent homegrown players.
The standard will improve over time. It cant get much worse to be fair. The current MLS top scorer is a League One/League Two reject.
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Jun 1, 2015 1:12:20 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2015 1:12:20 GMT
The current top scorer is a Championship reject tbf! Bradley Wright-Phillips is so last year!
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Jun 1, 2015 12:34:28 GMT
Post by redandwhitetundra on Jun 1, 2015 12:34:28 GMT
Can't help but feel the MLS-operators/FA (what are they called, anyway??) have got the right idea for the league to be a success... It just takes time. It's taken 100+ years for English football to be the corrupt, money-centric model it is today.
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Jun 1, 2015 12:38:31 GMT
Post by Not_Nick_H on Jun 1, 2015 12:38:31 GMT
Dont want to do it down, I really want it to be a success But Its less exciting to watch than your average league 2 game - at least there is some proper blood and guts/thunder on show at 100mph Watching Seattle v NY Red Bulls (silly name), on a plastic pitch, slow, guys trying but its a dull spectacle, and former English stars from the lower leagues (Bradley Wright Phillips, Tyrone Mears) and an old Obefemwe Martins playing. Decent crowd and noise, but you can only imagine the ticket demand if they had a better product to watch - the appetite appears to be there, the quality alas not. Will take time I guess - you wonder what David Villa was thinking joining NYC (as they are v poor, good luck Frank!), or Gerrard as LA are no great shakes either Was it at Seattle or NY? The games at Seattle are immense in terms of atmosphere whenever I saw them on ESPN/BT last season. They are really into 'soccer' in a big way there.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 1, 2015 12:41:55 GMT
It is absolute shite, unfortunately. How long does it need? From what I can tell, it's only ever going to attract formerly world class players at the end of their careers, loads of average Americans and players who aren't good enough for the world's best leagues.
It's a shame because the infrastructure and passion now appears to be there but it's always going to be lagging behind the major European and South American leagues.
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Jun 1, 2015 12:51:49 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2015 12:51:49 GMT
Can't help but feel the MLS-operators/FA (what are they called, anyway??) have got the right idea for the league to be a success... It just takes time. It's taken 100+ years for English football to be the corrupt, money-centric model it is today. I disagree, I aren't sure they have! Is the way to go getting a load of aged stars that are past their prime and match them up with League One rejects and build sides from there? They need to focus more on bringing genuinely quality players to the league (Giovinco is one tbh) and instead of having your Seb Hines' and Lewis Neal's they need to bring their own players and get the standard of the homegrown player up. The top down approach also leads to wage envy, it's why the MLS nearly didn't kick off in time this season.
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Jun 1, 2015 13:24:08 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 1, 2015 13:24:08 GMT
Until big players see it as a way of improving their careers, rather than just for a payday it's not going to get any better. It's attractive for players of a certain level because of everything else it entails (lifestyle etc) but there's no way that any ambitious footballer capable of playing at the top level is going to choose playing in the MLS over the other major leagues.
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Post by hartzchoco on Jun 1, 2015 14:19:34 GMT
I sat in the pouring rain all night Saturday at the Fire game. I figured the place would be empty due to the conditions, but I was way off. Every team in MLS seem to enjoy a pretty solid fan base. We're getting there. I find it extremely enjoyable and entertaining, and I think the quality of play is getting better.
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Jun 1, 2015 14:22:14 GMT
Post by hartzchoco on Jun 1, 2015 14:22:14 GMT
Dont want to do it down, I really want it to be a success But Its less exciting to watch than your average league 2 game - at least there is some proper blood and guts/thunder on show at 100mph Watching Seattle v NY Red Bulls (silly name), on a plastic pitch, slow, guys trying but its a dull spectacle, and former English stars from the lower leagues (Bradley Wright Phillips, Tyrone Mears) and an old Obefemwe Martins playing. Decent crowd and noise, but you can only imagine the ticket demand if they had a better product to watch - the appetite appears to be there, the quality alas not. Will take time I guess - you wonder what David Villa was thinking joining NYC (as they are v poor, good luck Frank!), or Gerrard as LA are no great shakes either Was it at Seattle or NY? The games at Seattle are immense in terms of atmosphere whenever I saw them on ESPN/BT last season. They are really into 'soccer' in a big way there. It was in Seattle. I cant stand watching games played on carpet.
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Jun 1, 2015 14:36:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 14:36:40 GMT
I watched the whole FC Toronto v San Jose Earthquakes game at the weekend. I thought the standard was pretty poor overall and it seems to be the same level as the bottom half of the Championship to me. As has been said already on this thread there are some former English and European stars (earning one last pay day) providing the "glamour", but it all seems a long way from becoming one the major leagues worldwide.
Not for me, although I will watch the occasional game (or as much as I can stand) to bridge the gap until the mighty Potters return next season.
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Jun 1, 2015 14:40:01 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 1, 2015 14:40:01 GMT
I sat in the pouring rain all night Saturday at the Fire game. I figured the place would be empty due to the conditions, but I was way off. Every team in MLS seem to enjoy a pretty solid fan base. We're getting there. I find it extremely enjoyable and entertaining, and I think the quality of play is getting better.
I feel I may have come across a little harsh on my opening post. I like the look and feel of it all - very crisp and modern - but the standard of football that I've seen has barely been that of League One game over here. I haven't watched it religiously but what I have seen has been pretty dour. The passion from the stands doesn't seem to make it down onto the pitch and it's almost like every game is a friendly.
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Post by Sweeper on Jun 1, 2015 14:49:18 GMT
It is absolute shite, unfortunately. How long does it need? From what I can tell, it's only ever going to attract formerly world class players at the end of their careers, loads of average Americans and players who aren't good enough for the world's best leagues. It's a shame because the infrastructure and passion now appears to be there but it's always going to be lagging behind the major European and South American leagues. Obviously you're not following the trend. MLS is starting to get players like Giovinco...as their TV contract continues to grow, the teams will have higher salary caps to bring in more talented players across the board, which will then allow attract more talented international players to play with them. Given the size of the United States and the popularity of football with the younger generation, there's going to be more and more money available to MLS to compete with the big European leagues. That said, the biggest obstacle is the limit on international players. MLS could vastly improve the quality right now if there were not limit to the number of non American/Canadian players on a side. But just like the Premier League has a high standard for getting a non-EU player, MLS is limiting international players to allow for opportunities for domestic US/Canadian players. It's a good long-term strategy to improve the quality of domestic football in both countries as well as their national teams by making opportunities available to their domestic players. I don't see that changing, but what can change as the financial condition of the league improves is using the international slots not on the Lewis Neals of the world but increasingly more on talented players like Giovinco. MLS now has higher average attendance than the NHL and NBA, and a newly promoted Orlando team is second in the league in attendance average around 37,000 per match. Obviously a lot of fan support, but the TV contract isn't at the NBA or NHL level yet, but it'll get there. That's a few years down the road, but that's when you'll see teams able to spend more across the board to sign multiple Giovinco types.
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Jun 1, 2015 15:00:33 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2015 15:00:33 GMT
It is absolute shite, unfortunately. How long does it need? From what I can tell, it's only ever going to attract formerly world class players at the end of their careers, loads of average Americans and players who aren't good enough for the world's best leagues. It's a shame because the infrastructure and passion now appears to be there but it's always going to be lagging behind the major European and South American leagues. Obviously you're not following the trend. MLS is starting to get players like Giovinco...as their TV contract continues to grow, the teams will have higher salary caps to bring in more talented players across the board, which will then allow attract more talented international players to play with them. Given the size of the United States and the popularity of football with the younger generation, there's going to be more and more money available to MLS to compete with the big European leagues. That said, the biggest obstacle is the limit on international players. MLS could vastly improve the quality right now if there were not limit to the number of non American/Canadian players on a side. But just like the Premier League has a high standard for getting a non-EU player, MLS is limiting international players to allow for opportunities for domestic US/Canadian players. It's a good long-term strategy to improve the quality of domestic football in both countries as well as their national teams by making opportunities available to their domestic players. I don't see that changing, but what can change as the financial condition of the league improves is using the international slots not on the Lewis Neals of the world but increasingly more on talented players like Giovinco. MLS now has higher average attendance than the NHL and NBA, and a newly promoted Orlando team is second in the league in attendance average around 37,000 per match. Obviously a lot of fan support, but the TV contract isn't at the NBA or NHL level yet, but it'll get there. That's a few years down the road, but that's when you'll see teams able to spend more across the board to sign multiple Giovinco types. You say trend and then name the one and only player who fits it, that's not a trend. Giovinco is indeed a break in the norm but he's about the only one. And again I don't think that's the way the MLS need to go, they need to get the base level of football up because at the minute it is L1/L2 standard with a smattering of quality, that has to improve for me from the bottom up.
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Jun 1, 2015 15:01:28 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 1, 2015 15:01:28 GMT
#therewillbehaters
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Jun 1, 2015 15:17:08 GMT
Post by hartzchoco on Jun 1, 2015 15:17:08 GMT
I sat in the pouring rain all night Saturday at the Fire game. I figured the place would be empty due to the conditions, but I was way off. Every team in MLS seem to enjoy a pretty solid fan base. We're getting there. I find it extremely enjoyable and entertaining, and I think the quality of play is getting better.
I feel I may have come across a little harsh on my opening post. I like the look and feel of it all - very crisp and modern - but the standard of football that I've seen has barely been that of League One game over here. I haven't watched it religiously but what I have seen has been pretty dour. The passion from the stands doesn't seem to make it down onto the pitch and it's almost like every game is a friendly.
The average attendance in the MLS is 20,000, and that's huge for over here. And the fans that go are very passionate. The atmosphere in places like Kansas City (the Blue Hell), Portland, Seattle, Houston, etc is off the charts. I can tell you firsthand the atmosphere in Toyota Park for the Fire is fantastic (and we have the best tailgating in the MLS). Unfortunately, the standard of football probably isn't what most of you are used to. But the games are a blast, and attendance grows every year. We're getting there.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jun 1, 2015 15:34:40 GMT
It's the support I don't like to be honest. A bit too happy-clappy and cheesy.
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Jun 1, 2015 15:37:39 GMT
Post by hartzchoco on Jun 1, 2015 15:37:39 GMT
It's the support I don't like to be honest. A bit too happy-clappy and cheesy. We shouldn't clap? Or be happy?
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Jun 1, 2015 16:01:21 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Jun 1, 2015 16:01:21 GMT
It's the support I don't like to be honest. A bit too happy-clappy and cheesy. We shouldn't clap? Or be happy? If you have been to Alsager you would get it .... Think of Weirton, WV with an English accent.
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Jun 1, 2015 16:09:29 GMT
Post by hartzchoco on Jun 1, 2015 16:09:29 GMT
We shouldn't clap? Or be happy? If you have been to Alsager you would get it .... Think of Weirton, WV with an English accent. Ah. Got it.
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Jun 1, 2015 16:18:23 GMT
Post by roostershair on Jun 1, 2015 16:18:23 GMT
Not struck on MLS. I watched the demolition of Bolton at Wembley last night!! We won 5-0
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Jun 1, 2015 20:33:23 GMT
Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jun 1, 2015 20:33:23 GMT
We shouldn't clap? Or be happy? If you have been to Alsager you would get it .... Think of Weirton, WV with an English accent. It's nothing like Weirton thanks The palace supporters have the same effect on me. The thread showing the New York song sheet pretty much summed it up. I'm just not keen on it. Sorry
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 1:51:14 GMT
I sat in the pouring rain all night Saturday at the Fire game. I figured the place would be empty due to the conditions, but I was way off. Every team in MLS seem to enjoy a pretty solid fan base. We're getting there. I find it extremely enjoyable and entertaining, and I think the quality of play is getting better. I think i'm right in saying that the average attendance in MLS is the highest of any league in world football. I think...
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Post by stokeny on Jun 2, 2015 3:16:48 GMT
Was in Seattle yesterday, went for a walk after the game. The place was buzzing, so many fans on the lash. Wished id gone to the game. The baseball stadium is next door too and they were at home. Baseball finished about an hour after the nogger. Never been anywhere where the bars are so busy on a Sunday!
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Jun 2, 2015 3:29:31 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Jun 2, 2015 3:29:31 GMT
Was in Seattle yesterday, went for a walk after the game. The place was buzzing, so many fans on the lash. Wished id gone to the game. The baseball stadium is next door too and they were at home. Baseball finished about an hour after the nogger. Never been anywhere where the bars are so busy on a Sunday! Would of shown you a good spot! It's a great atmosphere here for Sounders games... I'm a Timbers fan but any NW club has a great atmosphere up here. When I'm down in Florida I miss the good beer, full bars, and full stadiums before every weekend match. Wore my Stoke shirt last time tottenham came to town in Seattle had a good time. If you guys are ever up here for your respective teams let me know!
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