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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 29, 2015 15:23:36 GMT
The latest FSF newsletter highlights the latest in a long line of daft decisions by football authorities in England. I've happily signed the petition. link |
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Post by metalhead on May 29, 2015 15:33:43 GMT
The FA want the entire ground filled with half and half scarves.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 29, 2015 15:34:39 GMT
The latest FSF newsletter highlights the latest in a long line of daft decisions by football authorities in England. I've happily signed the petition. linkI think the FSF letter is a little confused/misleading ... The ban has got absolutely nothing to do with the word 'Bollocks' and indeed when the original ban was challenged by Virgin records in the 70's the courts quickly upheld Virgin's right to display the artwork. It appears that Wembley have a blanket ban on ANY flag that displays the name of the opposition on it, without exception, in case it is seen as being inflammatory. I don't know quit know how I feel about this and would need to hear a more comprehensive discussion on its merits before comitting either way. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 29, 2015 15:37:38 GMT
The latest FSF newsletter highlights the latest in a long line of daft decisions by football authorities in England. I've happily signed the petition. linkI think the FSF letter is a little confused/misleading ... The ban has got absolutely nothing to do with the word 'Bollocks' and indeed when the original ban was challenged by Virgin records in the 70's the courts quickly upheld Virgin's right to display the artwork. It appears that Wembley have a blanket ban on ANY flag that displays the name of the opposition on it, without exception, in case it is seen as being inflammatory. I don't know quit know how I feel about this and would need to hear a more comprehensive discussion on its merits before comitting either way. Mmmm - not like you to sit on the fence, Paul. There are plenty of Arsenal fans who don't see a problem with it. I'm sure most Stokies wouldn't have a had a problem with a flag like that if Man City fans had had one at our Cup Final. I can't imagine ANY fan of ANY club finding it inflammatory. Still, we are each entitled to our opinion. |
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Post by staffsvilla on May 29, 2015 15:38:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 15:41:12 GMT
I think the FSF letter is a little confused/misleading ... The ban has got absolutely nothing to do with the word 'Bollocks' and indeed when the original ban was challenged by Virgin records in the 70's the courts quickly upheld Virgin's right to display the artwork. It appears that Wembley have a blanket ban on ANY flag that displays the name of the opposition on it, without exception, in case it is seen as being inflammatory. I don't know quit know how I feel about this and would need to hear a more comprehensive discussion on its merits before comitting either way. Mmmm - not like you to sit on the fence, Paul. There are plenty of Arsenal fans who don't see a problem with it. I'm sure most Stokies wouldn't have a had a problem with a flag like that if Man City fans had had one at our Cup Final. I can't imagine ANY fan of ANY club finding it inflammatory. Still, we are each entitled to our opinion. i don't think he is sitting on the fence LP he's merely explained that it's because there's a blanket ban and the reason why there's a ban. personally i think the reasoning behind the ban is fairly common sense. they can't have a ban on just flags that are "Inflammatory" or "Derogatory" towards opposing teams as it would mean you having to ask the FA for permission everytime just in case so someone could adjudicate as to whether or not it WAS derogatory or merely "Footballing Banter" (and that decision would be necessarily subjective made by an individual) there isn't a logistically sound way of getting around that so a blanket ban is all they can do really unless they're goin to employ a "Flag and banner checker" each and every time there's a match on and ask individual fans to submit their entries for review. personally i think it says less about the FA and more about fans who push on with spending lots of money before even checking whether they are "Legal" or not it's nothing to do with being unfair or overly PC, simply a matter of logistics nothing more |
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Post by withnall on May 29, 2015 15:41:42 GMT
Something smacks of bollocks here.
Since when did you have to register a flag or notify the stadium authorities you were taking one in?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 29, 2015 15:43:17 GMT
Mmmm - not like you to sit on the fence, Paul. There are plenty of Arsenal fans who don't see a problem with it. I'm sure most Stokies wouldn't have a had a problem with a flag like that if Man City fans had had one at our Cup Final. I can't imagine ANY fan of ANY club finding it inflammatory. Still, we are each entitled to our opinion. i don't think he is sitting on the fence LP he's merely explained that it's because there's a blanket ban and the reason why there's a ban. they can't have a ban on just flags that are "Inflammatory" or "Derogatory" towards opposing teams as it would mean you having to ask the FA for permission everytime just in case so someone could adjudicate as to whether or not it WAS derogatory or merely " Footballing Banter" (and that decision would be necessarily subjective made by an individual) there isn't a logistically sound way of getting around that so a blanket ban is all they can do really. personally i think it says less about the FA and more about fans who push on with spending lots of money before even checking whether they are "Legal" or not The flaw in that argument is that they DO allow the dreaded half and half scarf which, when raised above your head, becomes a small flag or banner with your opponent's name on it. |
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Post by werrington on May 29, 2015 15:48:03 GMT
Went to Brazil for the WC and every stadium refused to allow flags in from a FIFA directive
Football is bring sanitised beyond all reasoning
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 15:48:54 GMT
Something smacks of bollocks here. Since when did you have to register a flag or notify the stadium authorities you were taking one in? FA Statement: 'The FA and competing clubs agreed the criteria by which supporters could be allowed to bring display flags into the stadium. It was communicated through the usual channels that supporters are required to submit requests to Wembley and must supply a visual for approval prior to consent.' so it would appear that it contravenes standards that the FA AND both clubs had already agreed upon |
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Post by pez75 on May 29, 2015 15:53:48 GMT
I know there is a principle here, but that flag is shit anyway.
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Post by withnall on May 29, 2015 15:58:28 GMT
Something smacks of bollocks here. Since when did you have to register a flag or notify the stadium authorities you were taking one in? FA Statement: 'The FA and competing clubs agreed the criteria by which supporters could be allowed to bring display flags into the stadium. It was communicated through the usual channels that supporters are required to submit requests to Wembley and must supply a visual for approval prior to consent.' so it would appear that it contravenes standards that the FA AND both clubs had already agreed upon Good grief. How do they enforce that on the day? Do you have to show your flags to stewards who have a photo album of approved flags? Every supporter of both sides, and the 40,000 neutrals, should take a copy of that flag to the match. Anarchy in the UK |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 16:03:34 GMT
FA Statement: 'The FA and competing clubs agreed the criteria by which supporters could be allowed to bring display flags into the stadium. It was communicated through the usual channels that supporters are required to submit requests to Wembley and must supply a visual for approval prior to consent.' so it would appear that it contravenes standards that the FA AND both clubs had already agreed upon Good grief. How do they enforce that on the day? Do you have to show your flags to stewards who have a photo album of approved flags? Every supporter of both sides, and the 40,000 neutrals, should take a copy of that flag to the match. Anarchy in the UK i agree that it's daft to ban this particular flag myself but it appears that the FA, Villa and Arsenal all previously agreed between them what is and isn't allowed and contacted their fans through the usual channels (OS i presume) asking them to send pics beforehand....so if someone has ignored that they can't really blame anyone but themselves. if they never knew because Villa didn't communicate it properly to the fans then they can't blame the FA, they need to speak to their own club as it's also them who agreed to the rules that it's contravening. like i say, daft yes but they also seem to be blaming the wrong people as it's either a case of a) the bloke not knowing/finding out what can and can't be taken in (which you're always advised to do by your club when you visit Wembley) or b) Villa have agreed to the rules and just not publicised it well enough to their own fans |
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Post by withnall on May 29, 2015 16:11:51 GMT
It's daft to have to have a flag scrutinised before a match.
Political daftness gone daft.
Anybody still got that Union Jack with "Bollocks" printed on it? That would surely be banned on the grounds the Arsenal team haven't got any.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 16:18:05 GMT
It's daft to have to have a flag scrutinised before a match. Political daftness gone daft. Anybody still got that Union Jack with "Bollocks" printed on it? That would surely be banned on the grounds the Arsenal team haven't got any. But it isn't PC gone mad though....villa and arsenal together with the fa came up with the rules for this particular game. Simple fact is that if we had given 3 grand to create a stoke flag and the person responsible didn't even bother to check with stoke what rules THEY had set for what was allowed only to find out they'd consequently wasted our money i'd be more pissed off with the bloke who steamed into it without using his brains than anyone else. Typical sign of the times....i want to do something,fuck finding out if i'm allowed to or not and then blame everyone else when i find out i broke the rules |
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Post by GlennA on May 29, 2015 16:26:33 GMT
The most interesting thing about most cup finals is/was the banners. The rules are a load of wank.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 16:28:11 GMT
It's no piggin wonder that ticket prices are so soddin expensive when you see the pathetic arguments going on about a bloody flag .....from the FA to the FSF you would think that they have something better to do with themselves , but perhaps they haven't .
There's so much wrong in football , you'd think they'd find the bloody time to deal with the important issues instead of farting about arguing the toss over bleeding trivialities like this .
Let's start with Blatter ......
Jesu bastuurd wept .
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Post by withnall on May 29, 2015 16:30:48 GMT
It is PC gone mad.
Why else would groups of people have to get together to discuss flags?
Typical sign of the times....make up stupid rules. It's got bugger all to do with the actual flag or the cost of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 16:32:31 GMT
It is PC gone mad. Why else would groups of people have to get together to discuss flags? Typical sign of the times....make up stupid rules. It's got bugger all to do with the actual flag or the cost of it. It's keeping some well heeled buggers pockets full ...that's why ! |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 16:46:38 GMT
It is PC gone mad. Why else would groups of people have to get together to discuss flags? Typical sign of the times....make up stupid rules. It's got bugger all to do with the actual flag or the cost of it. but it's Villa, Arsenal and the FA that came up with this rule TOGETHER for this particular game!!!! as has been pointed out before, you can't say "Yes you can use the opponents name as long as it isn't derogatory or inflammatory" as those definitions are subjective and everyone will have different opinions on what constitutes inflammatory. therefore the ONLY sensible thing you can do is say "Well just don't include the opponents name on it then". as i said earlier, if someone is spending £3k on a flag then you'd think that anyone with half a braincell would first check with HIS OWN CLUB whether it would contravene any rules that THEY agreed to. he quite obviously didn't...this isn't a case of PC gone made at all more a case of something else which is far too prevalent in today's society, namely "I'll do what the fuck i want without looking into it then blame everyone else under the sun and shout PC gone mad when i found out that i fucked up". the rules aren't down to being PC, it's merely logistics as they can't proof read 40,000 individual supporter's flags for the game and yes this is tame but some could be far worse and incite violence. everyone knows that Wembley and the FA have rules and to check what you can or can't take with you; these particular rules were agreed upon by Villa themselves so the bloke should 100% have checked with them what he could or couldn't display on the banner. nothing more than a case of someone being appointed as a "Project manager" and making a complete arse up of the 1 job he's been asked to do....but of course nowadays people ALWAYS have to find someone else to bloody blame don't they! |
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Post by tuum on May 29, 2015 17:57:16 GMT
Good grief. How do they enforce that on the day? Do you have to show your flags to stewards who have a photo album of approved flags? Every supporter of both sides, and the 40,000 neutrals, should take a copy of that flag to the match. Anarchy in the UK i agree that it's daft to ban this particular flag myself but it appears that the FA, Villa and Arsenal all previously agreed between them what is and isn't allowed and contacted their fans through the usual channels (OS i presume) asking them to send pics beforehand....so if someone has ignored that they can't really blame anyone but themselves. if they never knew because Villa didn't communicate it properly to the fans then they can't blame the FA, they need to speak to their own club as it's also them who agreed to the rules that it's contravening. like i say, daft yes but they also seem to be blaming the wrong people as it's either a case of a) the bloke not knowing/finding out what can and can't be taken in (which you're always advised to do by your club when you visit Wembley) or b) Villa have agreed to the rules and just not publicised it well enough to their own fans FFS. Behave. You sound like Mr. Logic..and that is not meant to be a compliment. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 29, 2015 18:00:37 GMT
i agree that it's daft to ban this particular flag myself but it appears that the FA, Villa and Arsenal all previously agreed between them what is and isn't allowed and contacted their fans through the usual channels (OS i presume) asking them to send pics beforehand....so if someone has ignored that they can't really blame anyone but themselves. if they never knew because Villa didn't communicate it properly to the fans then they can't blame the FA, they need to speak to their own club as it's also them who agreed to the rules that it's contravening. like i say, daft yes but they also seem to be blaming the wrong people as it's either a case of a) the bloke not knowing/finding out what can and can't be taken in (which you're always advised to do by your club when you visit Wembley) or b) Villa have agreed to the rules and just not publicised it well enough to their own fans FFS. Behave. You sound like Mr. Logic..and that is not meant to be a compliment. He's right though isn't he? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 29, 2015 18:39:26 GMT
When we say Arsenal and Villa have agreed on this, who exactly? Fans? If so what fans? We have fans for instance who want to raise ticket prices, should we blindly follow all sorts of decisions? Or if not fans was it their version of Scholes who hasn't paid to get in a game since the old king died. Just because there's agreement, it doesn't mean it's right.
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Post by kustokie on May 29, 2015 21:02:38 GMT
The whole thing is pathetic. Nobody is willing to stand up and be counted while $150,000,000 in bribes is handed out. But they have time to come with a daft rule about flags. Corruption is fine, free-speech isn't. The world has gone daft.
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Post by enuntio on May 29, 2015 21:20:50 GMT
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this flag whatsoever. It is not vulgar or inflammatory, it's witty and stylish. Smuggle it it in Villans and sing loud about the FA or Wembley Stadium PLC being nothing but, R Sole, cuck socking merchant bankers
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Post by kustokie on May 29, 2015 21:36:24 GMT
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this flag whatsoever. It is not vulgar or inflammatory, it's witty and stylish. Smuggle it it in Villans and sing loud about the FA or Wembley Stadium PLC being nothing but, R Sole, cuck socking merchant bankers The more I think about this, the sillier it gets. Fairly witty flags are out, songs about "d**ck in her hand" or "you're not fit to wipe my a**se" are OK. |
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on May 29, 2015 22:21:26 GMT
On similar lines, did anybody else have their flag taken off them at Burnley? I had mine taken and saw a few others having the same treatment before the game. Steward I spoke to said it was police orders that stoke supporters couldn't have flags for that particular game. Thought it was a bit odd.
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Post by staffsvilla on May 29, 2015 22:25:00 GMT
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this flag whatsoever. It is not vulgar or inflammatory, it's witty and stylish. Smuggle it it in Villans and sing loud about the FA or Wembley Stadium PLC being nothing but, R Sole, cuck socking merchant bankers i think it's safe to say that 'the flag' will make it to.. HA9 0WS  |
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Post by kustokie on May 29, 2015 23:02:01 GMT
Both teams have anatomical references in their names. Does this mean the scoreboard will be sensored: ----nal 0 --ton Villa 6. Just looking for some consistency here.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 17:29:21 GMT
When we say Arsenal and Villa have agreed on this, who exactly? Fans? If so what fans? We have fans for instance who want to raise ticket prices, should we blindly follow all sorts of decisions? Or if not fans was it their version of Scholes who hasn't paid to get in a game since the old king died. Just because there's agreement, it doesn't mean it's right. agreed and i never said it was right.i said it was fucking stupid for people to be blaming the fa if it's the club that made the agreement and then they actually communicated that to their fans who couldn't be fucked to pay attention. It's just fucking laziness by the fans (and most on here)to think "we don't like the fa so lets blame it on them" when in reality it's their own club they should be having a go at! But then again, why i expect people on here (not you momo by the way) to look at facts when there's an easy,lazy way to just slag others off (whether it's their fault or not) god only knows...if only people nowadays could say "fair enough i just spunked 3k of fellow supporters money on a flag that i didnt even bother checking was ok in the first place.soz lads my fault".basically i prefer it when people take responsibilty for their own actions instead of blaming everyone else they can think of,it's pathetic imo |
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