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Post by cobhamstokey on May 29, 2015 21:20:58 GMT
Neal was a very average player in a very good side. As a man he's clearly an arrogant idiot.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 30, 2015 6:45:42 GMT
Neal was a very average player in a very good side. As a man he's clearly an arrogant idiot. However the most decorated English player ever......8 league championships, 4 European championships, 4 league cups etc, etc , etc. it makes his comments in 2005 even more imbecilic. On another point in true Liverpool fashion, in that article Alan Kennedy tries to apportion blame for the tragedy on Roma supporters when they apparently attacked Liverpool fans in Rome.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2015 7:05:52 GMT
Neal was a very average player in a very good side. As a man he's clearly an arrogant idiot. However the most decorated English player ever......8 league championships, 4 European championships, 4 league cups etc, etc , etc. it makes his comments in 2005 even more imbecilic. On another point in true Liverpool fashion, in that article Alan Kennedy tries to apportion blame for the tragedy on Roma supporters when they apparently attacked Liverpool fans in Rome. There is an element of validity to that though. The year before Liverpool fans were randomly attacked throughout the day and after the game one was murdered. It hardly made for a happy atmosphere at Heysel.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 30, 2015 7:12:30 GMT
However the most decorated English player ever......8 league championships, 4 European championships, 4 league cups etc, etc , etc. it makes his comments in 2005 even more imbecilic. On another point in true Liverpool fashion, in that article Alan Kennedy tries to apportion blame for the tragedy on Roma supporters when they apparently attacked Liverpool fans in Rome. There is an element of validity to that though. The year before Liverpool fans were randomly attacked throughout the day and after the game one was murdered. It hardly made for a happy atmosphere at Heysel. Good point Jo perhaps I should have researched that a little before posting. But it does further demonstrate how hooliganism and violence pervaded the game in the 80s. Mostly gone now thankfully. Greed and corruption now seems to be the new "hooliganism"
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2015 8:31:05 GMT
There is an element of validity to that though. The year before Liverpool fans were randomly attacked throughout the day and after the game one was murdered. It hardly made for a happy atmosphere at Heysel. Good point Jo perhaps I should have researched that a little before posting. But it does further demonstrate how hooliganism and violence pervaded the game in the 80s. Mostly gone now thankfully. Greed and corruption now seems to be the new "hooliganism" Liverpool and Juventus combined average attendance that season was 120,000. UEFA have never explained why they chose to put a game of this size in a decaying stadium that held 37,000. A few weeks before the 1985 European Cup Final a delegation of English and Italian journalists travelled to Brussels to see the Heysel Stadium. They pleaded with UEFA to move the game from that stadium. It was literally falling apart. On matchday when the Liverpool players walked around the pitch they walked towards their fans to wave and couldn't get because the Juve followers were throwing huge chunks of rock at them. That rock was bits of the stadium which was crumbling due to disrepair. The Liverpool section was right next to the Juve section on the same terrace divided only by flimsy chicken wire. The Juve followers started chucking then rock at the Liverpool supporters. (Remember that many Liverpool supporters felt bitterness towards Italians because of the Liverpool fan murdered in Rome after the 1984 final.) Some of the Liverpool supporters ran at the Juve section with the hopelessly inadequate chicken wire as much of a barrier as, well, hopelessly inadequate chicken wire. The Juve supporters ran which lead to a crush against a wall which collapsed like cardboard crushing people to death. There was violence that night undoubtedly.....from both sets of supporters. Before the game there was some ugly sights involving people prepared to do some ugly things. But surely the scale of the carnage was exacerbated by the old crumbling stadium and the bewildered police force.
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