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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 13:09:55 GMT
Lampard isn't a patch on Gerrard. Lampard was a centre forward masquerading as a midfield player and had he played for anyone other than Chelsea he wouldn't have got away with it...just like he didn't with England. Lampard controlled the midfield virtually every time they came to the Brit. He's not one for charging through midfield with the ball but he's one who was always one step ahead, moving it on quickly and then getting into positions to take it forward. I never fully appreciated how good he was until we got promoted and we could watch him up close. He's a very intelligent player. Neither did themselves justice for England. Lampard had an excellent Euro 2004, Gerrard had a good Euro 2012. Though if you put a gun to my head and asked me to name five memorable Gerrard performances or five memorable Lampard England performances I'd struggle. Did he really? I remember him never once entering his own half and playing only in the final 3rd. He's a very good forward who was allowed to "cheat" because of the good players he was surrounded by. Controlled a game? He never once put in a performance as good as Scholes did against us. Now that was an example of controlling a game. Not once did lampard produce a performance in a Chelsea shirt as good as matic did this season. Lampard was a super forward but as a proper midfield player was totally ineffective as evidenced by almost every game he played for England.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 13:11:13 GMT
Lampard isn't a patch on Gerrard. Lampard was a centre forward masquerading as a midfield player and had he played for anyone other than Chelsea he wouldn't have got away with it...just like he didn't with England. Lampard has been far better, more useful and massively more consistent for England than Gerrard EVER has been mate! In your opinion. Not in mine
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 13:13:23 GMT
Lampard controlled the midfield virtually every time they came to the Brit. He's not one for charging through midfield with the ball but he's one who was always one step ahead, moving it on quickly and then getting into positions to take it forward. I never fully appreciated how good he was until we got promoted and we could watch him up close. He's a very intelligent player. Neither did themselves justice for England. Lampard had an excellent Euro 2004, Gerrard had a good Euro 2012. Though if you put a gun to my head and asked me to name five memorable Gerrard performances or five memorable Lampard England performances I'd struggle. Did he really? I remember him never once entering his own half and playing only in the final 3rd. He's a very good forward who was allowed to "cheat" because of the good players he was surrounded by. Controlled a game? He never once put in a performance as good as Scholes did against us. Now that was an example of controlling a game. Not once did lampard produce a performance in a Chelsea shirt as good as matic did this season. Lampard was a super forward but as a proper midfield player was totally ineffective as evidenced by almost every game he played for England. He was brilliant at the Brit virtually every time he played, most notably in our first season and in Pulis' last season. This 'he was a centre forward' thing is really weird. Before we were promoted I thought he didn't do a lot but seeing it up close I honestly don't know how anyone can come to that conclusion. He didn't do a lot for England but then you were happy to attribute Gerrard's no shows for his country to the manager. Does Lampard not get that courtesy? I don't agree Dave. At all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2015 13:14:17 GMT
Lampard is way better than Gerrard.
Lampard too has been ace at the Brit.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 13:16:12 GMT
Lampard has been far better, more useful and massively more consistent for England than Gerrard EVER has been mate! In your opinion. Not in mine yep obviously i just think that Gerrard has been massively overrated in terms of England performances. in the last few tournaments all the spotlight has been on Rooney despite the fact that this "World class" player who is supposed to run our game has been absolutely dreadful, stagnant and more often than not simply gifted possession back to the opposition with his insistence on playing 40-50 yard passes. England ALWAYS play better when playing at a high tempo and when they dictate play, with Gerrard on the pitch that never happens as he just inevitably swings it out wide usually straight out of touch and gives the ball away. Lampard is far happier paying short passes, one-twos and incisive balls which means we're far more fluid. Gerrard has been trading off his name (when it comes to the national side) for years now
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 13:25:52 GMT
Did he really? I remember him never once entering his own half and playing only in the final 3rd. He's a very good forward who was allowed to "cheat" because of the good players he was surrounded by. Controlled a game? He never once put in a performance as good as Scholes did against us. Now that was an example of controlling a game. Not once did lampard produce a performance in a Chelsea shirt as good as matic did this season. Lampard was a super forward but as a proper midfield player was totally ineffective as evidenced by almost every game he played for England. He was brilliant at the Brit virtually every time he played, most notably in our first season and in Pulis' last season. This 'he was a centre forward' thing is really weird. Before we were promoted I thought he didn't do a lot but seeing it up close I honestly don't know how anyone can come to that conclusion. He didn't do a lot for England but then you were happy to attribute Gerrard's no shows for his country to the manager. Does Lampard not get that courtesy? I don't agree Dave. At all. I'd be worried if we did agree in all fairness. I never said Gerrard was a no show for his country. They are your opinions not mine. Gerrard is one of very few who can hold his head high when it comes to representing his country in my opinion.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 13:28:16 GMT
In your opinion. Not in mine yep obviously i just think that Gerrard has been massively overrated in terms of England performances. in the last few tournaments all the spotlight has been on Rooney despite the fact that this "World class" player who is supposed to run our game has been absolutely dreadful, stagnant and more often than not simply gifted possession back to the opposition with his insistence on playing 40-50 yard passes. England ALWAYS play better when playing at a high tempo and when they dictate play, with Gerrard on the pitch that never happens as he just inevitably swings it out wide usually straight out of touch and gives the ball away. Lampard is far happier paying short passes, one-twos and incisive balls which means we're far more fluid. Gerrard has been trading off his name (when it comes to the national side) for years now Whilst I think he would be rated far higher had he not been burdened by the plethora of shit he's had to play with for both England and Liverpool. Gerrards ability isn't truly appreciated. He would look a good player in any team, in any position. Can you say the same of lampard?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 13:37:36 GMT
yep obviously i just think that Gerrard has been massively overrated in terms of England performances. in the last few tournaments all the spotlight has been on Rooney despite the fact that this "World class" player who is supposed to run our game has been absolutely dreadful, stagnant and more often than not simply gifted possession back to the opposition with his insistence on playing 40-50 yard passes. England ALWAYS play better when playing at a high tempo and when they dictate play, with Gerrard on the pitch that never happens as he just inevitably swings it out wide usually straight out of touch and gives the ball away. Lampard is far happier paying short passes, one-twos and incisive balls which means we're far more fluid. Gerrard has been trading off his name (when it comes to the national side) for years now Whilst I think he would be rated far higher had he not been burdened by the plethora of shit he's had to play with for both England and Liverpool. Gerrards ability isn't truly appreciated. He would look a good player in any team, in any position. Can you say the same of lampard? who isn't it appreciated by? i think all would agree that Gerrard was a class player but he certainly isn't anymore (hence the reason that he hasn't even been a first team regular at Liverpool this year and hasn't even been a good player in his own team with much regularity this year) and, as has been pointed out by Rob...you seem to be fine to put Gerrard's lack of ability for the national side first down to the manager (and now to the players around him) but for Lampard it's apparently purely down to him????? Lampard was quality with West Ham, just as quality for England as Gerrard ever has been and quality for Chelsea and also good whenever he's turned out for Man City...you say Gerrard could be for any team but unfortunately you don't know that, it's just your opinion as he;s only ever done it for 1 whereas Lampard has looked a good player for 3 different teams. why get so defensive exactly? no-one's saying Gerrard is shit at all, merely that he's been overrated for a while now......and is this the same plethora of shit at Liverpool that came second in the Prem scotring over 100 goals last year???? i have no issue with you havinng your opinion mate but whenever you've tried to back it up all you've done is contradict yourself (by calling last year's Liverpool a plethora of shit which they quite clearly weren't, saying Gerrard could do it for any team while Lampard couldn't when in fact Lamps has proved he could do it for 3 teams when Gerrard never has proved it for more than 1 team and then your insistence on blaming Lampard for his faults but every one else BUT Gerrard for Gerrard's faults) i accept your opinion mate but your logic is dodgy at best (as proven) and your defensive attitude is making you seem a bit too much like a "Fanboy" to have an objective opinion.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 13:39:06 GMT
He was brilliant at the Brit virtually every time he played, most notably in our first season and in Pulis' last season. This 'he was a centre forward' thing is really weird. Before we were promoted I thought he didn't do a lot but seeing it up close I honestly don't know how anyone can come to that conclusion. He didn't do a lot for England but then you were happy to attribute Gerrard's no shows for his country to the manager. Does Lampard not get that courtesy? I don't agree Dave. At all. I'd be worried if we did agree in all fairness. I never said Gerrard was a no show for his country. They are your opinions not mine. Gerrard is one of very few who can hold his head high when it comes to representing his country in my opinion. Could you name five memorable performances for England from him Dave?
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Post by reddipotter on May 27, 2015 13:41:02 GMT
I'm not sure Odemwingie and Sidwell deserve the same mark as Cameron, given they offered next to nothing between them. Probably knock Whelan down to a 7 too, which ties in with the manager seemingly starting to lose confidence in him and trying other options out. Overall, decent summary mate. Agree on Cameron. I don't see MH losing faith in Whelan. In fact, every time he tries to do without Glenn he is forced to very quickly bring him back. The much-touted upgrade we are claimed to need is going to be a lot more difficult to find than some think. Whelan plays in one of the most difficult positions in a team, and there aren't many better in the league. The fact that, despite chopping and changing in the back four and a goalkeeper not at his best, we still have a respectable goals conceded figure is significantly down to him.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 27, 2015 13:42:52 GMT
Hasn't Diouf got 12 goals? Finished with 11. Spurs goal taken off him. At the awards dinner he had 10 goals (joint top scorer with Walters) then he scored twice on Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 13:55:36 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on May 27, 2015 14:06:12 GMT
I didn't know we don't count cup goals.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on May 27, 2015 14:09:17 GMT
Your summing up of Gerrard is absolutely spot on and why he is so vastly, laughably overrated.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 14:14:02 GMT
I'd be worried if we did agree in all fairness. I never said Gerrard was a no show for his country. They are your opinions not mine. Gerrard is one of very few who can hold his head high when it comes to representing his country in my opinion. Could you name five memorable performances for England from him Dave? Until he was partnered by lampard I'd say he was exceptionally good for England. Then again I don't follow England so to name individual performances would be difficult. During the games I have watched he's been england's best and most consistent player by far.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 14:18:25 GMT
Whilst I think he would be rated far higher had he not been burdened by the plethora of shit he's had to play with for both England and Liverpool. Gerrards ability isn't truly appreciated. He would look a good player in any team, in any position. Can you say the same of lampard? who isn't it appreciated by? i think all would agree that Gerrard was a class player but he certainly isn't anymore (hence the reason that he hasn't even been a first team regular at Liverpool this year and hasn't even been a good player in his own team with much regularity this year) and, as has been pointed out by Rob...you seem to be fine to put Gerrard's lack of ability for the national side first down to the manager (and now to the players around him) but for Lampard it's apparently purely down to him????? Lampard was quality with West Ham, just as quality for England as Gerrard ever has been and quality for Chelsea and also good whenever he's turned out for Man City...you say Gerrard could be for any team but unfortunately you don't know that, it's just your opinion as he;s only ever done it for 1 whereas Lampard has looked a good player for 3 different teams. why get so defensive exactly? no-one's saying Gerrard is shit at all, merely that he's been overrated for a while now......and is this the same plethora of shit at Liverpool that came second in the Prem scotring over 100 goals last year???? i have no issue with you havinng your opinion mate but whenever you've tried to back it up all you've done is contradict yourself (by calling last year's Liverpool a plethora of shit which they quite clearly weren't, saying Gerrard could do it for any team while Lampard couldn't when in fact Lamps has proved he could do it for 3 teams when Gerrard never has proved it for more than 1 team and then your insistence on blaming Lampard for his faults but every one else BUT Gerrard for Gerrard's faults) i accept your opinion mate but your logic is dodgy at best (as proven) and your defensive attitude is making you seem a bit too much like a "Fanboy" to have an objective opinion. I've responded to this but it hasn't registered and I cant be arsed to do it again. Id be interested to know how expressing an opinion is being defensive though. Oh, and west ham fans couldn't stand lampard and thought he was only in the team because his dad and uncle were in charge so saying he was quality for them is stretching the truth somewhat.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 14:20:27 GMT
Whilst I think he would be rated far higher had he not been burdened by the plethora of shit he's had to play with for both England and Liverpool. Gerrards ability isn't truly appreciated. He would look a good player in any team, in any position. Can you say the same of lampard? who isn't it appreciated by? i think all would agree that Gerrard was a class player but he certainly isn't anymore (hence the reason that he hasn't even been a first team regular at Liverpool this year and hasn't even been a good player in his own team with much regularity this year) and, as has been pointed out by Rob...you seem to be fine to put Gerrard's lack of ability for the national side first down to the manager (and now to the players around him) but for Lampard it's apparently purely down to him????? Lampard was quality with West Ham, just as quality for England as Gerrard ever has been and quality for Chelsea and also good whenever he's turned out for Man City...you say Gerrard could be for any team but unfortunately you don't know that, it's just your opinion as he;s only ever done it for 1 whereas Lampard has looked a good player for 3 different teams. why get so defensive exactly? no-one's saying Gerrard is shit at all, merely that he's been overrated for a while now......and is this the same plethora of shit at Liverpool that came second in the Prem scotring over 100 goals last year???? i have no issue with you havinng your opinion mate but whenever you've tried to back it up all you've done is contradict yourself (by calling last year's Liverpool a plethora of shit which they quite clearly weren't, saying Gerrard could do it for any team while Lampard couldn't when in fact Lamps has proved he could do it for 3 teams when Gerrard never has proved it for more than 1 team and then your insistence on blaming Lampard for his faults but every one else BUT Gerrard for Gerrard's faults) i accept your opinion mate but your logic is dodgy at best (as proven) and your defensive attitude is making you seem a bit too much like a "Fanboy" to have an objective opinion. That Liverpool team last season was carried by Suarez and Gerrard. Without them they will finish below us.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:31:13 GMT
who isn't it appreciated by? i think all would agree that Gerrard was a class player but he certainly isn't anymore (hence the reason that he hasn't even been a first team regular at Liverpool this year and hasn't even been a good player in his own team with much regularity this year) and, as has been pointed out by Rob...you seem to be fine to put Gerrard's lack of ability for the national side first down to the manager (and now to the players around him) but for Lampard it's apparently purely down to him????? Lampard was quality with West Ham, just as quality for England as Gerrard ever has been and quality for Chelsea and also good whenever he's turned out for Man City...you say Gerrard could be for any team but unfortunately you don't know that, it's just your opinion as he;s only ever done it for 1 whereas Lampard has looked a good player for 3 different teams. why get so defensive exactly? no-one's saying Gerrard is shit at all, merely that he's been overrated for a while now......and is this the same plethora of shit at Liverpool that came second in the Prem scotring over 100 goals last year???? i have no issue with you havinng your opinion mate but whenever you've tried to back it up all you've done is contradict yourself (by calling last year's Liverpool a plethora of shit which they quite clearly weren't, saying Gerrard could do it for any team while Lampard couldn't when in fact Lamps has proved he could do it for 3 teams when Gerrard never has proved it for more than 1 team and then your insistence on blaming Lampard for his faults but every one else BUT Gerrard for Gerrard's faults) i accept your opinion mate but your logic is dodgy at best (as proven) and your defensive attitude is making you seem a bit too much like a "Fanboy" to have an objective opinion. I've responded to this but it hasn't registered and I cant be arsed to do it again. Id be interested to know how expressing an opinion is being defensive though. Oh, and west ham fans couldn't stand lampard and thought he was only in the team because his dad and uncle were in charge so saying he was quality for them is stretching the truth somewhat. that was when he first came into the team before he started playing regularly so to say they couldn't stand him is stretching the truth somewhat (and conveniently editing history!) and how have you responded to any of it? "Gerrard would be a good player in any team, Lampard wouldn't" well Gerrard has been for ONE team and Lampard has for THREE Gerrard not performing for England is because of the management....then the players apparently; Lampard played under the same managers and with the same players yet his faults are purely down to him???? you haven't addressed anything mate, simply stated your opinion, tried to back it up then when facts are put forward you change your argument or conveniently edit history
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:37:32 GMT
who isn't it appreciated by? i think all would agree that Gerrard was a class player but he certainly isn't anymore (hence the reason that he hasn't even been a first team regular at Liverpool this year and hasn't even been a good player in his own team with much regularity this year) and, as has been pointed out by Rob...you seem to be fine to put Gerrard's lack of ability for the national side first down to the manager (and now to the players around him) but for Lampard it's apparently purely down to him????? Lampard was quality with West Ham, just as quality for England as Gerrard ever has been and quality for Chelsea and also good whenever he's turned out for Man City...you say Gerrard could be for any team but unfortunately you don't know that, it's just your opinion as he;s only ever done it for 1 whereas Lampard has looked a good player for 3 different teams. why get so defensive exactly? no-one's saying Gerrard is shit at all, merely that he's been overrated for a while now......and is this the same plethora of shit at Liverpool that came second in the Prem scotring over 100 goals last year???? i have no issue with you havinng your opinion mate but whenever you've tried to back it up all you've done is contradict yourself (by calling last year's Liverpool a plethora of shit which they quite clearly weren't, saying Gerrard could do it for any team while Lampard couldn't when in fact Lamps has proved he could do it for 3 teams when Gerrard never has proved it for more than 1 team and then your insistence on blaming Lampard for his faults but every one else BUT Gerrard for Gerrard's faults) i accept your opinion mate but your logic is dodgy at best (as proven) and your defensive attitude is making you seem a bit too much like a "Fanboy" to have an objective opinion. That Liverpool team last season was carried by Suarez and Gerrard. Without them they will finish below us. what a ludicrously tabloid way and oversimplified way of looking at it... Sturridge was the second highest goalscorer in the Premiership, Mignolet got a player of the month award, as did Sturridge, as did Sterling....Coutinho and Sturridge got as many assists as Hazard to simply say it was those 2 that carried their success last year alone is ludicrous and the kind of head burying that many of their fans have done this season. the differences between last year and this year go far deeper than just the loss of Suarez mate.....oh, and they WON'T finish below us next year, would love them to but it just won't happen (although i'm sure you'll come up with some excuse/get out clause to get out of it )
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 14:43:45 GMT
That Liverpool team last season was carried by Suarez and Gerrard. Without them they will finish below us. what a ludicrously tabloid way and oversimplified way of looking at it... Sturridge was the second highest goalscorer in the Premiership, Mignolet got a player of the month award, as did Sturridge, as did Sterling....Coutinho and Sturridge got as many assists as Hazard to simply say it was those 2 that carried their success last year alone is ludicrous and the kind of head burying that many of their fans have done this season. the differences between last year and this year go far deeper than just the loss of Suarez mate.....oh, and they WON'T finish below us next year, would love them to but it just won't happen (although i'm sure you'll come up with some excuse/get out clause to get out of it ) Fancy a little wager on that?
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 14:48:54 GMT
I've responded to this but it hasn't registered and I cant be arsed to do it again. Id be interested to know how expressing an opinion is being defensive though. Oh, and west ham fans couldn't stand lampard and thought he was only in the team because his dad and uncle were in charge so saying he was quality for them is stretching the truth somewhat. that was when he first came into the team before he started playing regularly so to say they couldn't stand him is stretching the truth somewhat (and conveniently editing history!) and how have you responded to any of it? "Gerrard would be a good player in any team, Lampard wouldn't" well Gerrard has been for ONE team and Lampard has for THREE Gerrard not performing for England is because of the management....then the players apparently; Lampard played under the same managers and with the same players yet his faults are purely down to him???? you haven't addressed anything mate, simply stated your opinion, tried to back it up then when facts are put forward you change your argument or conveniently edit history I didn't say anything about Gerrard not performing because of a manager. I said managers were too shit or too gutless to puck only one of them. Reference west ham views on lampard, I prefer to take the word of the 3 west ham fans I know than yours. He wasn't universally popular, was a big boo boy and the same was true at Chelsea until abramovich's millions arrived and surrounded him with the best players money could buy. Still neither play for Stoke and I don't give a fuck about either of them in all honesty.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 14:52:40 GMT
Yet West Ham got 11 million quid for him and he's considered a Chelsea legend...
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Post by upthefud on May 27, 2015 14:56:14 GMT
I'd be worried if we did agree in all fairness. I never said Gerrard was a no show for his country. They are your opinions not mine. Gerrard is one of very few who can hold his head high when it comes to representing his country in my opinion. Could you name five memorable performances for England from him Dave? Could you name five for Beckham? Greece aside he never really did it on the international stage. Hardly anyone has hence we've been a fucking joke. Gerrard was world class and a better player than Lampard by some distance, Liverpool were lucky to keep hold of him.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:59:28 GMT
Yet West Ham got 11 million quid for him and he's considered a Chelsea legend... they fucking hated him though Rob....at least 3 (yeah count 'em up, that's THREE) whole people dave knows will testify to that i'd call that a fairly definitive straw poll wouldn't you?
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Post by hartzchoco on May 27, 2015 15:02:45 GMT
So you don't feel as though Lallana's pathetic over-reaction to a weak foot from Geoff conned himself out of the decision? There's no doubt he dived, it was embarrassing and his mard arse attitude all day summed up why the England team is so hard to get behind. Maybe it did, but it still should have been a penalty. Lallana dove like the little pussy he is, and he proved all game that he's just a little bitch. That being said, that was a penalty all day long.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 15:12:15 GMT
Could you name five memorable performances for England from him Dave? Could you name five for Beckham? Greece aside he never really did it on the international stage. Hardly anyone has hence we've been a fucking joke. Gerrard was world class and a better player than Lampard by some distance, Liverpool were lucky to keep hold of him. There certainly aren't as many as there should have been. Gerrard never had a Greece game though or anything close to it. Beckham had that excellent game against Colombia at France '98 and was good in the Argentina '02 game, even if his pen was a bit gash. Gerrard was a top Premier League player but the in disciplined headless chicken stuff and Hollywood balls mean he's not up there with the very best in my opinion.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 15:41:55 GMT
Yet West Ham got 11 million quid for him and he's considered a Chelsea legend... they fucking hated him though Rob....at least 3 (yeah count 'em up, that's THREE) whole people dave knows will testify to that i'd call that a fairly definitive straw poll wouldn't you? Not like you to take the petty predictable response. (I almost typed your response in brackets after the comment). 3 west ham fans who are more than well equipped to say whether he was liked, loathed or tolerated by a fair proportion of west ham fans. Jordan Henderson cost Liverpool 20 odd million. I wasn't aware that a transfer fee automatically made you a great player. Lampard is a Chelsea legend though, you're quite right in that assertion rob.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 15:47:43 GMT
they fucking hated him though Rob....at least 3 (yeah count 'em up, that's THREE) whole people dave knows will testify to that i'd call that a fairly definitive straw poll wouldn't you? Not like you to take the petty predictable response. (I almost typed your response in brackets after the comment). 3 west ham fans who are more than well equipped to say whether he was liked, loathed or tolerated by a fair proportion of west ham fans. Jordan Henderson cost Liverpool 20 odd million. I wasn't aware that a transfer fee automatically made you a great player. Lampard is a Chelsea legend though, you're quite right in that assertion rob. Jordan Henderson IS a good (not great admittedly) player mate i like the way that you decide a fee apparently ISN'T an indicator of a good player but apparently fans loathing him because he slagged them off in his autobiography is...puzzling logic at best!
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 15:58:19 GMT
Not like you to take the petty predictable response. (I almost typed your response in brackets after the comment). 3 west ham fans who are more than well equipped to say whether he was liked, loathed or tolerated by a fair proportion of west ham fans. Jordan Henderson cost Liverpool 20 odd million. I wasn't aware that a transfer fee automatically made you a great player. Lampard is a Chelsea legend though, you're quite right in that assertion rob. Jordan Henderson IS a good (not great admittedly) player mate i like the way that you decide a fee apparently ISN'T an indicator of a good player but apparently fans loathing him because he slagged them off in his autobiography is...puzzling logic at best! An autobiography has nothing to do with anything. I'm commenting about views way before he'd made any kind of impact at Chelsea and way before any books were written. Henderson is shite as well. Not a patch on n'zonzi for example. A fee indicates little other than what someone is prepared to pay and doesn't instantly mean you're a good player. Its your logic that's puzzling on that. Bojan must be wank. He only cost 300k. Henderson at 20m is good. N'zonzi at 3.5m must be pretty average in comparison. An 11m transfer fee didn't make lampard a good player. His performances in a Chelsea shirt, as a forward who was classed as a midfielder, did that for him. His goalscoring record is superb but he isn't as good a midfielder player as Gerrard in my opinion. Gerrard could do everything as well as score goals. Lampard was a great goal scorer in a team that meant he didn't have to do an awful lot else.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 16:03:19 GMT
If Gerrard could do everything there'd have been no problem with him and Lampard for England as he'd have been able to be the deeper of the two. He never is though because his hero complex wanderlust won't allow it.
I find that analysis of Lampard as a bloke who 'just scored and didn't do much else' just a really, really odd analysis of a player who was palpably a lot more than that.
But each to their own.
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