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Post by chiefdelilah on May 26, 2015 22:35:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 22:46:58 GMT
Very good write up that, although I can't help but smile at your assessment of Diouf after writing him off.....  |
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 26, 2015 22:47:47 GMT
Very good write up that, although I can't help but smile at your assessment of Diouf after writing him off..... I've written you off as having any original material... |
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 26, 2015 22:50:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 22:53:16 GMT
Very good write up that, although I can't help but smile at your assessment of Diouf after writing him off..... I've written you off as having any original material... You should have just been big enough to say "I was too hasty" when it came to Diouf, we all make mistakes but you just dug deeper. It bugs you admit it......  |
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Post by upthefud on May 26, 2015 22:55:50 GMT
So you don't feel as though Lallana's pathetic over-reaction to a weak foot from Geoff conned himself out of the decision?
There's no doubt he dived, it was embarrassing and his mard arse attitude all day summed up why the England team is so hard to get behind.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 26, 2015 22:56:23 GMT
I've written you off as having any original material... You should have just been big enough to say "I was too hasty" when it came to Diouf, we all make mistakes but you just dug deeper. It bugs you admit it...... I've made my stance clear on him and it's only boring point scorers and the wilfully hard of thinking that don't understand it. I like Diouf, I think he's useful, he's in great form. I don't think he's the 60 grand a week line leading main man we signed him to be. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 26, 2015 22:56:55 GMT
So you don't feel as though Lallana's pathetic over-reaction to a weak foot from Geoff conned himself out of the decision? There's no doubt he dived, it was embarrassing and his mard arse attitude all day summed up why the England team is so hard to get behind. Maybe it did, but it still should have been a penalty. |
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Post by hoopty on May 26, 2015 22:57:53 GMT
Outstanding write up. Very good.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 23:02:31 GMT
You should have just been big enough to say "I was too hasty" when it came to Diouf, we all make mistakes but you just dug deeper. It bugs you admit it...... I've made my stance clear on him and it's only boring point scorers and the wilfully hard of thinking that don't understand it. I like Diouf, I think he's useful, he's in great form. I don't think he's the 60 grand a week line leading main man we signed him to be. Who's point scoring it's a message board what's the point in that? There you go again taking it all so seriously Your stance changes ever so subtly week after week when it comes to Diouf so don't give me that shit, I can see it as can other posters. But you stick to your guns....... |
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Post by upthefud on May 26, 2015 23:05:01 GMT
So you don't feel as though Lallana's pathetic over-reaction to a weak foot from Geoff conned himself out of the decision? There's no doubt he dived, it was embarrassing and his mard arse attitude all day summed up why the England team is so hard to get behind. Maybe it did, but it still should have been a penalty. As I said in another thread I'd have booked him for it personally, and that's not Stoke tinted glasses. It was an absolute disgrace and we need to stop acting like it's ok for a fully grown men to feel a slight touch and fling themselves to the ground. |
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 26, 2015 23:06:02 GMT
So you don't feel as though Lallana's pathetic over-reaction to a weak foot from Geoff conned himself out of the decision? There's no doubt he dived, it was embarrassing and his mard arse attitude all day summed up why the England team is so hard to get behind. Maybe it did, but it still should have been a penalty. Wow I actually agree with you! |
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Post by bmstoke on May 26, 2015 23:06:16 GMT
You should have just been big enough to say "I was too hasty" when it came to Diouf, we all make mistakes but you just dug deeper. It bugs you admit it...... I've made my stance clear on him and it's only boring point scorers and the wilfully hard of thinking that don't understand it. I like Diouf, I think he's useful, he's in great form. I don't think he's the 60 grand a week line leading main man we signed him to be. I think he'll prove you wrong next season, he's clearly got a football brain. With Bojan behind him I think he can fill his boots. |
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Post by spongebobflathead on May 26, 2015 23:11:04 GMT
It's a great read rob summed up perfectly , thanks for that !
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Post by CalgaryPotter on May 27, 2015 0:12:58 GMT
Top notch as always.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 27, 2015 0:26:05 GMT
Hasn't Diouf got 12 goals?
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on May 27, 2015 5:14:10 GMT
Hasn't Diouf got 12 goals? Finished with 11. Spurs goal taken off him. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 5:59:29 GMT
The comment about Gerrard is daft, especially the comparison to other top midfield players.
Gerrard chose not to trust teammates, be it for Liverpool or England because they were shit and he couldn't trust them.
With good players around him, he was never what you describe. His early England performances, surrounded by Beckham, Scholes, Campbell, Ferdinand, terry, Neville, Owen etc were never like that, nor were his Liverpool performances when he had the likes of Alonso and an in form Torres around him.
In later years, he's tried to carry two shocking teams on his shoulders and as he's got older he's struggled to do so.
Without him, Liverpool will finish below us next season.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 6:01:43 GMT
I've made my stance clear on him and it's only boring point scorers and the wilfully hard of thinking that don't understand it. I like Diouf, I think he's useful, he's in great form. I don't think he's the 60 grand a week line leading main man we signed him to be. Who's point scoring it's a message board what's the point in that? There you go again taking it all so seriously Your stance changes ever so subtly week after week when it comes to Diouf so don't give me that shit, I can see it as can other posters. But you stick to your guns....... So I'm sticking to my guns but changing week after week? How does that work |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 6:01:47 GMT
Great write up.
Your conclusion on Gerrard at the end could almost apply to Adam though!
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 6:02:00 GMT
Maybe it did, but it still should have been a penalty. As I said in another thread I'd have booked him for it personally, and that's not Stoke tinted glasses. It was an absolute disgrace and we need to stop acting like it's ok for a fully grown men to feel a slight touch and fling themselves to the ground. A foul is a foul. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 6:05:42 GMT
The comment about Gerrard is daft, especially the comparison to other top midfield players. Gerrard chose not to trust teammates, be it for Liverpool or England because they were shit and he couldn't trust them. With good players around him, he was never what you describe. His early England performances, surrounded by Beckham, Scholes, Campbell, Ferdinand, terry, Neville, Owen etc were never like that, nor were his Liverpool performances when he had the likes of Alonso and an in form Torres around him. In later years, he's tried to carry two shocking teams on his shoulders and as he's got older he's struggled to do so. Without him, Liverpool will finish below us next season. His England performances during the so-called 'golden generation' era were thoroughly average and the fact that he and Lampard couldn't work together was down to his headless chicken runs as much as anything. I don't think 'choosing not to trust your team mates' is an especially clever or admirable trait. |
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Post by partickpotter on May 27, 2015 6:09:00 GMT
Excellent assessment of Gerard at the end; a very fine player but not "the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be".
Football is about feet, heart and brain. Ie technical skills, courage and intelligence. It's this last one that Gerrard lacks. When it's needed, he just pumps up the second element. It probably explains the number of red cards he has had in his career as well as his tendency to indulge in The Hollywood passing you highlight.
You are absolutely right in noting that the very best players use their head very effectively.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 27, 2015 6:19:37 GMT
The comment about Gerrard is daft, especially the comparison to other top midfield players. Gerrard chose not to trust teammates, be it for Liverpool or England because they were shit and he couldn't trust them. With good players around him, he was never what you describe. His early England performances, surrounded by Beckham, Scholes, Campbell, Ferdinand, terry, Neville, Owen etc were never like that, nor were his Liverpool performances when he had the likes of Alonso and an in form Torres around him. In later years, he's tried to carry two shocking teams on his shoulders and as he's got older he's struggled to do so. Without him, Liverpool will finish below us next season. His England performances during the so-called 'golden generation' era were thoroughly average and the fact that he and Lampard couldn't work together was down to his headless chicken runs as much as anything. I don't think 'choosing not to trust your team mates' is an especially clever or admirable trait. Would you trust Henderson? Or smalling? Or Can? Or mignolet? Not being able to partner lampard in midfield effectively isn't a crime. Almost all would struggle with a midfield partner that plays as a centre forward offering nothing other than in the opposition penalty area in the process. England managers are to blame for what you describe. Whenever lampard was missing, Gerrard played far better. It should always have been one or the other but several gutless, hopeless England managers were too stupid to risk the wrath of the media. Gerrard has been a constant in two shocking teams for a number of years. Had he left Liverpool he would be seen as a better player than he's given credit for. |
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Post by Trouserdog on May 27, 2015 6:27:59 GMT
These write-ups get better with every game. Brilliant stuff!
I love some of the Barney Ronay-style imagery. The colony of bees with Pulis as their queen made me laugh out loud. Excellent!
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 6:43:06 GMT
His England performances during the so-called 'golden generation' era were thoroughly average and the fact that he and Lampard couldn't work together was down to his headless chicken runs as much as anything. I don't think 'choosing not to trust your team mates' is an especially clever or admirable trait. Would you trust Henderson? Or smalling? Or Can? Or mignolet? Not being able to partner lampard in midfield effectively isn't a crime. Almost all would struggle with a midfield partner that plays as a centre forward offering nothing other than in the opposition penalty area in the process. England managers are to blame for what you describe. Whenever lampard was missing, Gerrard played far better. It should always have been one or the other but several gutless, hopeless England managers were too stupid to risk the wrath of the media. Gerrard has been a constant in two shocking teams for a number of years. Had he left Liverpool he would be seen as a better player than he's given credit for. I don't agree about Lampard. He's the better player IMO. Gerrard's best performances have always come when he's had one of these clever, string pulling types behind him like a Hamann or an Alonso. He gets credit for Istanbul but if Hamann hadn't come on at half time they wouldn't have come close to that comeback. He could've reinvented himself as a deeper player as age caught up with him but he wasn't disciplined enough. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 6:44:32 GMT
Excellent assessment of Gerard at the end; a very fine player but not "the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be". Football is about feet, heart and brain. Ie technical skills, courage and intelligence. It's this last one that Gerrard lacks. When it's needed, he just pumps up the second element. It probably explains the number of red cards he has had in his career as well as his tendency to indulge in The Hollywood passing you highlight. You are absolutely right in noting that the very best players use their head very effectively. A nice Bret 'Hitman' Hart reference. I'd put Keane, Vieira, Scholes and Lampard above him in the Premier League era. |
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Post by partickpotter on May 27, 2015 7:24:16 GMT
Excellent assessment of Gerard at the end; a very fine player but not "the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be". Football is about feet, heart and brain. Ie technical skills, courage and intelligence. It's this last one that Gerrard lacks. When it's needed, he just pumps up the second element. It probably explains the number of red cards he has had in his career as well as his tendency to indulge in The Hollywood passing you highlight. You are absolutely right in noting that the very best players use their head very effectively. A nice Bret 'Hitman' Hart reference. I'd put Keane, Vieira, Scholes and Lampard above him in the Premier League era. Yes - one stolen from the WWE and on display at the Brit at the weekend. Briefly, of course!  Hard to compare him with the players you mentioned. All were very good imo. In fairness to Gerard he was the only one who played for a poor team. The others got the chance to play in title winning sides on more than one occasion. He was very very good, but assuredly not the best there was etc... Neither was Brett Hart. 3:16. |
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Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2015 7:32:15 GMT
Hasn't Adam been doing a better impression of Gerrard that Gerrard of late  |
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 27, 2015 7:41:20 GMT
A nice Bret 'Hitman' Hart reference. I'd put Keane, Vieira, Scholes and Lampard above him in the Premier League era. Yes - one stolen from the WWE and on display at the Brit at the weekend. Briefly, of course! Hard to compare him with the players you mentioned. All were very good imo. In fairness to Gerard he was the only one who played for a poor team. The others got the chance to play in title winning sides on more than one occasion. He was very very good, but assuredly not the best there was etc... Neither was Brett Hart. 3:16. Harsh to say they 'got the chance to'. They were massive parts of that success. As Gerrard was to Liverpool's. Top player but overrated IMO. |
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