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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:55:42 GMT
yet Carlton Cole (who has a 1 in 5 ratio as opposed to Jerome's 1 in 6) is apparently according to most on here absolutely shit and most went ballistic when we were constantly inked with him.
so Cole = utter shite and we shouldn't hae gone anywhere near
but
Jerome (with a worse goalscoring record in the Prem) = just unfairly treated and easily good enough for us....
got to love the consistency of the Oatcake eh?
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Post by metalhead on May 26, 2015 12:55:47 GMT
Glad to see him doing well. No, we shouldn't have let him go imo. We jumped a bit. Still, glad he's been able to show his abilities in the championship and returns to the prem an in form player. Certainly deserves a round of applause from us.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 26, 2015 12:57:24 GMT
He's scored a fair few Prem goals for someone 'not good enough'. has he Rob??? 30 in nearly 180 games in the Prem (with the bulk of them being before 2010 i.e.when he was young!)....is 1 in 6 really that much to shout about? How many of those are starts Mick? He spent a vast chunk of his career playing for defensive sides who generally didn't score many goals, like McCleish's Brum and TP's Stoke. Yet he generally did well when he was given a chance for us and his best season in the Prem he got the same number as any of our record prem scorers. He's no world beater but he's got plenty of Prem experience and done a decent job. He certainly wasn't given the chance he deserved under TP here.
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Post by metalhead on May 26, 2015 12:57:40 GMT
yet Carlton Cole (who has a 1 in 5 ratio as opposed to Jerome's 1 in 6) is apparently according to most on here absolutely shit and most went ballistic when we were constantly inked with him. so Cole = utter shite and we shouldn't hae gone anywhere near but Jerome (with a worse goalscoring record in the Prem) = just unfairly treated and easily good enough for us.... got to love the consistency of the Oatcake eh? Not sure you're comparing like with like.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 26, 2015 12:58:37 GMT
yet Carlton Cole (who has a 1 in 5 ratio as opposed to Jerome's 1 in 6) is apparently according to most on here absolutely shit and most went ballistic when we were constantly inked with him. so Cole = utter shite and we shouldn't hae gone anywhere near but Jerome (with a worse goalscoring record in the Prem) = just unfairly treated and easily good enough for us.... got to love the consistency of the Oatcake eh? There was a time when Cole might've been good but that was before his knee went and he doesn't have the pace of Jerome, which is something we needed up front badly.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 13:00:50 GMT
Glad to see him doing well. No, we shouldn't have let him go imo. We jumped a bit. Still, glad he's been able to show his abilities in the championship and returns to the prem an in form player. Certainly deserves a round of applause from us. agree that it's nice to see him doing well but the way that some are making out that he was some poor, mistreated player who could've been so much better is just re-writing history for me. yes, he scored some good goals but he fell over his own feet or ran straight into an opposing player with far more regularity which many seem to be conveniently completely forgetting about. he was ok for us, absolutely no more than that and anyone suggesting otherwise is just re-writing history. was totally underwhelmed when he came and wasn't arsed one way or the other when he left...average player, nothing against him but why some feel the need to make out like he could have been the new Ric if evil Pulis had given him a chance genuinely confuses me.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 13:05:18 GMT
has he Rob??? 30 in nearly 180 games in the Prem (with the bulk of them being before 2010 i.e.when he was young!)....is 1 in 6 really that much to shout about? How many of those are starts Mick? He spent a vast chunk of his career playing for defensive sides who generally didn't score many goals, like McCleish's Brum and TP's Stoke. Yet he generally did well when he was given a chance for us and his best season in the Prem he got the same number as any of our record prem scorers. He's no world beater but he's got plenty of Prem experience and done a decent job. He certainly wasn't given the chance he deserved under TP here. not disagreeing with much of that Rob but what i don't get is that the season Jerome got that total (and he was just 23 at the time) Carlton Cole scored just 1 less and Agbonlahor actually got 1 more but on here we're constantly saying how shit they both are and how we dodged a bullet not signing Cole...how do we reconcile those things exactly then? we can't pretend that either West Ham or Villa were free flowing footballing sides with masses of attacking intent can we? or indeed ourselves, we were very defensive on the whole when he was with us but he scored just 7 goals in his time here in the Prem over 50 games. just seems to be no perspective on here at times
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 26, 2015 13:08:57 GMT
How many of those are starts Mick? He spent a vast chunk of his career playing for defensive sides who generally didn't score many goals, like McCleish's Brum and TP's Stoke. Yet he generally did well when he was given a chance for us and his best season in the Prem he got the same number as any of our record prem scorers. He's no world beater but he's got plenty of Prem experience and done a decent job. He certainly wasn't given the chance he deserved under TP here. not disagreeing with much of that Rob but what i don't get is that the season Jerome got that total (and he was just 23 at the time) Carlton Cole scored just 1 less and Agbonlahor actually got 1 more but on here we're constantly saying how shit they both are and how we dodged a bullet not signing Cole...how do we reconcile those things exactly then? we can't pretend that either West Ham or Villa were free flowing footballing sides with masses of attacking intent can we? just seems to be no perspective on here at times I guess you reconcile them depending on expectations and how teams set up to be honest mate. Given budget and the players around him and the fact that he was a highly rated England star in a team competing for Europe, could that not be considered a bit of a disappointing campaign for Agbonglahor? I think he's ok, nowt special, attitude a bit questionable. Cole before the knee injury would have absolutely done us a job IMO. After it he didn't seem the same. And wasn't it the Zola season when he got 11/12 or so, when they were in fact reasonably attacking? 'Over' 50 games for Jerome here? In the league? He only started about 15 didn't he?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 13:19:36 GMT
not disagreeing with much of that Rob but what i don't get is that the season Jerome got that total (and he was just 23 at the time) Carlton Cole scored just 1 less and Agbonlahor actually got 1 more but on here we're constantly saying how shit they both are and how we dodged a bullet not signing Cole...how do we reconcile those things exactly then? we can't pretend that either West Ham or Villa were free flowing footballing sides with masses of attacking intent can we? just seems to be no perspective on here at times I guess you reconcile them depending on expectations and how teams set up to be honest mate. Given budget and the players around him and the fact that he was a highly rated England star in a team competing for Europe, could that not be considered a bit of a disappointing campaign for Agbonglahor? I think he's ok, nowt special, attitude a bit questionable. Cole before the knee injury would have absolutely done us a job IMO. After it he didn't seem the same. And wasn't it the Zola season when he got 11/12 or so, when they were in fact reasonably attacking? 'Over' 50 games for Jerome here? In the league? He only started about 15 didn't he? yeah like i said above, i have no issue with Jerome in general and think he was an average player. i just don't get why some are trying to make out that he could have been quality if it wasn't for Pulis. when he did play he spent more time on his arse than he did doing anything remotely productive.people moan about Diouf's first touch (and i'd agree with them, it's the part of his game he needs to work on still) but Jerome's was just as bad if not worse. he was ok for us at the time but absolutely nothing more and i don't think that's down to Pulis at all. Huth (yes, he played more games but he's a friggin' CB!) scored more in his first 2 season with us than Jerome did in the 3 he played for us...in fact he only scored 1 less than Jerome in Jerome's first season at Stoke! just think some are going way OTT on this one which just seems a bit wrong for someone who's a bang average player
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 26, 2015 13:29:09 GMT
I guess you reconcile them depending on expectations and how teams set up to be honest mate. Given budget and the players around him and the fact that he was a highly rated England star in a team competing for Europe, could that not be considered a bit of a disappointing campaign for Agbonglahor? I think he's ok, nowt special, attitude a bit questionable. Cole before the knee injury would have absolutely done us a job IMO. After it he didn't seem the same. And wasn't it the Zola season when he got 11/12 or so, when they were in fact reasonably attacking? 'Over' 50 games for Jerome here? In the league? He only started about 15 didn't he? yeah like i said above, i have no issue with Jerome in general and think he was an average player. i just don't get why some are trying to make out that he could have been quality if it wasn't for Pulis. when he did play he spent more time on his arse than he did doing anything remotely productive.people moan about Diouf's first touch (and i'd agree with them, it's the part of his game he needs to work on still) but Jerome's was just as bad if not worse. he was ok for us at the time but absolutely nothing more and i don't think that's down to Pulis at all. Huth (yes, he played more games but he's a friggin' CB!) scored more in his first 2 season with us than Jerome did in the 3 he played for us...in fact he only scored 1 less than Jerome in Jerome's first season at Stoke! just think some are going way OTT on this one which just seems a bit wrong for someone who's a bang average player Yeah he was no world beater and his touch (and brain) could let him down. But he scored some crucial goals and made a sizeable impact in those two seasons and should have got more pitch time. For example, in 2011-12, we were knackered in the second half of the season after the Europa, we finished the lowest scoring team in all four divisions, we were devoid of pace and results dropped off. Was there really anything to lose by giving SJW a rest and Jerome a run of games? The following season he rescued a few games for us off the bench and when he finally went with Crouch and Jerome we ended a run of one win in four months and secured the points needed to stay up. Jerome's assist at QPR and the way he ran Norwich ragged were a big part of that. Of course, as soon as that was achieved he was dropped again and we took one point from our last six.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 26, 2015 17:29:52 GMT
yeah like i said above, i have no issue with Jerome in general and think he was an average player. i just don't get why some are trying to make out that he could have been quality if it wasn't for Pulis. when he did play he spent more time on his arse than he did doing anything remotely productive.people moan about Diouf's first touch (and i'd agree with them, it's the part of his game he needs to work on still) but Jerome's was just as bad if not worse. he was ok for us at the time but absolutely nothing more and i don't think that's down to Pulis at all. Huth (yes, he played more games but he's a friggin' CB!) scored more in his first 2 season with us than Jerome did in the 3 he played for us...in fact he only scored 1 less than Jerome in Jerome's first season at Stoke! just think some are going way OTT on this one which just seems a bit wrong for someone who's a bang average player Yeah he was no world beater and his touch (and brain) could let him down. But he scored some crucial goals and made a sizeable impact in those two seasons and should have got more pitch time. For example, in 2011-12, we were knackered in the second half of the season after the Europa, we finished the lowest scoring team in all four divisions, we were devoid of pace and results dropped off. Was there really anything to lose by giving SJW a rest and Jerome a run of games? The following season he rescued a few games for us off the bench and when he finally went with Crouch and Jerome we ended a run of one win in four months and secured the points needed to stay up. Jerome's assist at QPR and the way he ran Norwich ragged were a big part of that. Of course, as soon as that was achieved he was dropped again and we took one point from our last six. indeed
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Post by robwahlmann on May 26, 2015 17:36:28 GMT
Cammy was often good coming on from the bench, but wasn't so impressive when he got the chance from the start. Anyway I think we have upgraded this player quite a lot by getting Diouf in!
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Post by metalhead on May 26, 2015 20:17:04 GMT
Glad to see him doing well. No, we shouldn't have let him go imo. We jumped a bit. Still, glad he's been able to show his abilities in the championship and returns to the prem an in form player. Certainly deserves a round of applause from us. agree that it's nice to see him doing well but the way that some are making out that he was some poor, mistreated player who could've been so much better is just re-writing history for me. yes, he scored some good goals but he fell over his own feet or ran straight into an opposing player with far more regularity which many seem to be conveniently completely forgetting about. he was ok for us, absolutely no more than that and anyone suggesting otherwise is just re-writing history. was totally underwhelmed when he came and wasn't arsed one way or the other when he left...average player, nothing against him but why some feel the need to make out like he could have been the new Ric if evil Pulis had given him a chance genuinely confuses me. Never said that. I do believe he should have been given a proper run though. One of my favourite moments was his goal against Newcastle. In form Kenwyne and a great goal from Jerome.
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Post by bertiestan on May 28, 2015 17:27:24 GMT
Found his level in the champ, we were right to let him go! Nowhere near good enough. What a load of garbage. He had the best goal start ratio of any striker we had at the time. He's scored 10 premier league goals in a single season for birmingham, scored countless crucial goals for us while scoring one or two crucial goals for Palace under Pulis (one away at everton springs to mind). Not good enough for the premier league? Hang your head in shame. Never rated him mate, simple as that really! Didn't take sparky long to realise he wasn't up to it either.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 28, 2015 17:48:26 GMT
Not good enough for the Prem, its as simple as that.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on May 28, 2015 18:07:44 GMT
Not good enough for the Prem, its as simple as that. We should see next season.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 28, 2015 22:15:04 GMT
Not good enough for the Prem, its as simple as that. We should see next season. Or his other attempts, he's great in the championship just hasn't quite got it in the Prem.
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 29, 2015 0:19:15 GMT
He was given plenty of chances, but didn't do it, including going off against Sunderland because of the snow,
scored a great goal against Southampton, that is it,
think he was moved on for other reasons as well as not being good enough
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Post by ilikelamp on Oct 9, 2020 17:49:57 GMT
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Post by zerps on Oct 9, 2020 19:59:34 GMT
Completely forgot he ever existed
Club legend 😂
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Post by Linx on Oct 9, 2020 20:00:20 GMT
I remember him about fifteen years ago, taking us apart when he was playing for Cardiff, just before we made our promotion push. One of those games when, you travel ninety miles midweek in winter, expecting a heartwarming win, and Stoke do that Stoke thing and kick you in the bollocks.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 9, 2020 20:03:17 GMT
Linking up with young Sorro then
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 9, 2020 20:07:43 GMT
Always liked Jerome, not good enough as a starter but a decent sub to bring on.
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Post by RF10 on Oct 10, 2020 7:11:39 GMT
Whenever he went to control the ball, I expected his first touch to take it out for a goal kick.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 10, 2020 7:24:09 GMT
Well worth another look...
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 10, 2020 8:29:19 GMT
He was certainly an athlete- more so than a footballer perhaps, but I quite liked him. He'd be the best player in the squad now if we had that younger version of him.
Always thought that TP should have paired him up with Kenwyne more and tried to recreate the dynamics of the Fuller/Mama partnership.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 10, 2020 9:17:41 GMT
Limited player but his pace offered us something at the time that we didn’t have and TP should’ve used him more in those last couple of seasons.
His performances at the end of that last Pulis season helped get us over the line when it was starting to look dicey. The second we were safe he dropped him again.
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