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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 12:12:00 GMT
As good as Begovic and Shawcross are, they could not carry the useless lumps that Pieters, Wilson, Wooly, Cameron, Bardsley and even Muniesa at times have been made out to be.
When you aren't playing backs to the wall, 2 banks of 4, 0 per cent possession football then mistakes will be made regularly. Most teams have pace in this league, and being in a bad position or shirking a challenge once in a whole game can cost you the points. We make less of them than most of the other teams who can't afford defenders who cost 10+million, and often less than those who can.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 12:14:22 GMT
As good as Begovic and Shawcross are, they could not carry the useless lumps that Pieters, Wilson, Wooly, Cameron, Bardsley and even Muniesa at times have been made out to be. When you aren't playing backs to the wall, 2 banks of 4, 0 per cent possession football then mistakes will be made regularly. Most teams have pace in this league, and being in a bad position or shirking a challenge once in a whole game can cost you the points. We make less of them than most of the other teams who can't afford defenders who cost 10+million, and often less than those who can. I disagree! In TP's last season that's pretty much exactly what they did and it saved us from relegation.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 12:20:45 GMT
As good as Begovic and Shawcross are, they could not carry the useless lumps that Pieters, Wilson, Wooly, Cameron, Bardsley and even Muniesa at times have been made out to be. When you aren't playing backs to the wall, 2 banks of 4, 0 per cent possession football then mistakes will be made regularly. Most teams have pace in this league, and being in a bad position or shirking a challenge once in a whole game can cost you the points. We make less of them than most of the other teams who can't afford defenders who cost 10+million, and often less than those who can. I disagree! In TP's last season that's pretty much exactly what they did and it saved us from relegation. What was the back 4 during Pulis' last season? Wilson Huth Shawcross and Cameron? I always thought they all played reasonably well. I saw the problem as being a refusal to use Jerome or Adam, starving us of our only pacey player and creative player. Maybe Shawcross and Begovic are just that good, but I think we've done okay on most of the few occasions they've not played. It's all opinions, but I think the goals against column would be much more catastrophic if all our defenders weren't at least half decent given they have all played quite a few games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 12:25:17 GMT
I disagree! In TP's last season that's pretty much exactly what they did and it saved us from relegation. What was the back 4 during Pulis' last season? Wilson Huth Shawcross and Cameron? I always thought they all played reasonably well. I saw the problem as being a refusal to use Jerome or Adam, starving us of our only pacey player and creative player. Maybe Shawcross and Begovic are just that good, but I think we've done okay on most of the few occasions they've not played. It's all opinions, but I think the goals against column would be much more catastrophic if all our defenders weren't at least half decent given they have all played quite a few games. It was and I didn't Cameron back then tbh, not going forward helped him defensively. That was the problem and in their absence Bego in particular kept us up virtually on his own imo with the saves he made, he was absolutely outstanding. They then came in, in the last 3/4 games and we magically looked like a team again, funny that! I just don't think Wilson, Cameron and Wolly should be playing a lot of games for us when you look at the quality of Ryan, Muni and Pieters. They're good back ups.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 12:36:57 GMT
What was the back 4 during Pulis' last season? Wilson Huth Shawcross and Cameron? I always thought they all played reasonably well. I saw the problem as being a refusal to use Jerome or Adam, starving us of our only pacey player and creative player. Maybe Shawcross and Begovic are just that good, but I think we've done okay on most of the few occasions they've not played. It's all opinions, but I think the goals against column would be much more catastrophic if all our defenders weren't at least half decent given they have all played quite a few games. It was and I didn't Cameron back then tbh, not going forward helped him defensively. That was the problem and in their absence Bego in particular kept us up virtually on his own imo with the saves he made, he was absolutely outstanding. They then came in, in the last 3/4 games and we magically looked like a team again, funny that! I just don't think Wilson, Cameron and Wolly should be playing a lot of games for us when you look at the quality of Ryan, Muni and Pieters. They're good back ups. I agree with those three being in the first XI. It just seems that Muni is always injured sadly. I wouldn't mind a new right back either, but competition/cover for Arnie, Nzonzi and Whelan would be my main concerns at the moment. (Reports seem to suggest we have Bogdan and the Danish lad coming in to cover Butland, which I'd be fine with having seen Bogdan play well in the premier league).
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 12:40:57 GMT
It was and I didn't Cameron back then tbh, not going forward helped him defensively. That was the problem and in their absence Bego in particular kept us up virtually on his own imo with the saves he made, he was absolutely outstanding. They then came in, in the last 3/4 games and we magically looked like a team again, funny that! I just don't think Wilson, Cameron and Wolly should be playing a lot of games for us when you look at the quality of Ryan, Muni and Pieters. They're good back ups. I agree with those three being in the first XI. It just seems that Muni is always injured sadly. I wouldn't mind a new right back either, but competition/cover for Arnie, Nzonzi and Whelan would be my main concerns at the moment. (Reports seem to suggest we have Bogdan and the Danish lad coming in to cover Butland, which I'd be fine with having seen Bogdan play well in the premier league). That is most definitely and the reason imo we should keep Huth. Huth is much better than the rest and provides better first choice cover. We desperately need a new right back, I really do think if we could sign a player there who can actually play football and cross and stuff it would be so good for the way we play. We need a right winger, Walters and Wingie aren't really good enough. Adam is the cover for Fonz isn't he? Especially when Bojan is back in the fold. And will Sidwell be sold to allow the better cover to come in? Or is Geoff that cover? We need to sign Moses too, class above that lad.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 12:51:50 GMT
I agree with those three being in the first XI. It just seems that Muni is always injured sadly. I wouldn't mind a new right back either, but competition/cover for Arnie, Nzonzi and Whelan would be my main concerns at the moment. (Reports seem to suggest we have Bogdan and the Danish lad coming in to cover Butland, which I'd be fine with having seen Bogdan play well in the premier league). That is most definitely and the reason imo we should keep Huth. Huth is much better than the rest and provides better first choice cover. We desperately need a new right back, I really do think if we could sign a player there who can actually play football and cross and stuff it would be so good for the way we play. We need a right winger, Walters and Wingie aren't really good enough. Adam is the cover for Fonz isn't he? Especially when Bojan is back in the fold. And will Sidwell be sold to allow the better cover to come in? Or is Geoff that cover? We need to sign Moses too, class above that lad. You know what, I forgot about Sidwell :s He must be Whelan's cover, as he doesn't seem to have the legs to do much other than sit deep now. I think we don't have anyone else who is as mobile as Nzonzi. Whether a midfield without him in or not would work or not I don't know, but he seems to me to be the main one who defends and attacks at a very high level. I don't think Hughes sees the need for an out and out right winger, I think he wants one of the 'wingers' to be a striker. Diouf, Walters and Odemwingie being the main holders of that position would suggest so. When you mention the crosses, you have a good point. I just wonder how much a player who can defend (I think Cameron can, I know I'm in a minority) and cross would cost and whether it'd be worth the outlay. I agree on Moses. If we just signed him I think we'd be looking good for next season. (Assuming the goalkeeper situation is sorted out haha) What I do like now, is its hard to say how we could improve our squad best. A couple of years ago it'd have been obvious, sign more pace or creativity. Now we actually have a top ten squad.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 12:57:32 GMT
That is most definitely and the reason imo we should keep Huth. Huth is much better than the rest and provides better first choice cover. We desperately need a new right back, I really do think if we could sign a player there who can actually play football and cross and stuff it would be so good for the way we play. We need a right winger, Walters and Wingie aren't really good enough. Adam is the cover for Fonz isn't he? Especially when Bojan is back in the fold. And will Sidwell be sold to allow the better cover to come in? Or is Geoff that cover? We need to sign Moses too, class above that lad. You know what, I forgot about Sidwell :s He must be Whelan's cover, as he doesn't seem to have the legs to do much other than sit deep now. I think we don't have anyone else who is as mobile as Nzonzi. Whether a midfield without him in or not would work or not I don't know, but he seems to me to be the main one who defends and attacks at a very high level. I don't think Hughes sees the need for an out and out right winger, I think he wants one of the 'wingers' to be a striker. Diouf, Walters and Odemwingie being the main holders of that position would suggest so. When you mention the crosses, you have a good point. I just wonder how much a player who can defend (I think Cameron can, I know I'm in a minority) and cross would cost and whether it'd be worth the outlay. I agree on Moses. If we just signed him I think we'd be looking good for next season. (Assuming the goalkeeper situation is sorted out haha) What I do like now, is its hard to say how we could improve our squad best. A couple of years ago it'd have been obvious, sign more pace or creativity. Now we actually have a top ten squad. It's very easy to forget he exists, he was never really needed. I aren't sure he does tbh. MBD was never signed to play on the wing it's just that he didn't trust him up front (which was stupid) that he got put out there wasn't it? We need someone out there who is a bit better than Walters and then use Walters in the correct game. I think full backs are one of the most players in the modern game now. I really like Pieters but going forward he's iffy and if we could improve on that I think we'd be much better but that's me being greedy. We have a good squad, I think the right hand side in general can be upgraded and give us the chance of challenging higher and in the cup.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:01:38 GMT
You know what, I forgot about Sidwell :s He must be Whelan's cover, as he doesn't seem to have the legs to do much other than sit deep now. I think we don't have anyone else who is as mobile as Nzonzi. Whether a midfield without him in or not would work or not I don't know, but he seems to me to be the main one who defends and attacks at a very high level. I don't think Hughes sees the need for an out and out right winger, I think he wants one of the 'wingers' to be a striker. Diouf, Walters and Odemwingie being the main holders of that position would suggest so. When you mention the crosses, you have a good point. I just wonder how much a player who can defend (I think Cameron can, I know I'm in a minority) and cross would cost and whether it'd be worth the outlay. I agree on Moses. If we just signed him I think we'd be looking good for next season. (Assuming the goalkeeper situation is sorted out haha) What I do like now, is its hard to say how we could improve our squad best. A couple of years ago it'd have been obvious, sign more pace or creativity. Now we actually have a top ten squad. It's very easy to forget he exists, he was never really needed. I aren't sure he does tbh. MBD was never signed to play on the wing it's just that he didn't trust him up front (which was stupid) that he got put out there wasn't it? We need someone out there who is a bit better than Walters and then use Walters in the correct game. I think full backs are one of the most players in the modern game now. I really like Pieters but going forward he's iffy and if we could improve on that I think we'd be much better but that's me being greedy. We have a good squad, I think the right hand side in general can be upgraded and give us the chance of challenging higher and in the cup. You are probably right. And we do need to upgrade something if we want to compete with Sothampton and Swansea for best of the 'not spunking countless hundreds of millions up the wall' clubs. Hopefully the comments that Hughes made about spending big turn out to be true. I just hope it's on quality rather than quantity.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 25, 2015 13:01:48 GMT
Something about Shawcross, England squads and ridiculous decisions. Baffling.
Brilliant stuff though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 13:04:25 GMT
It's very easy to forget he exists, he was never really needed. I aren't sure he does tbh. MBD was never signed to play on the wing it's just that he didn't trust him up front (which was stupid) that he got put out there wasn't it? We need someone out there who is a bit better than Walters and then use Walters in the correct game. I think full backs are one of the most players in the modern game now. I really like Pieters but going forward he's iffy and if we could improve on that I think we'd be much better but that's me being greedy. We have a good squad, I think the right hand side in general can be upgraded and give us the chance of challenging higher and in the cup. You are probably right. And we do need to upgrade something if we want to compete with Sothampton and Swansea for best of the 'not spunking countless hundreds of millions up the wall' clubs. Hopefully the comments that Hughes made about spending big turn out to be true. I just hope it's on quality rather than quantity. I think we need 2 quality signings on that right hand side. Moses. And I'd love to see a defensive midfielder who can pass a bit better than Glenn but again that's me being really picky!
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Post by Beardy200 on May 25, 2015 13:07:16 GMT
Ha ha. You stick to posting on here 20 hours a day, playing FIFA/Football Manager, eating cheesy wotsits and masturbating, and let the professionals get on and manage....... I fucking wish! I haven't played FIFA/Football Manager for a good 6 months and the FM I have is 2012! :D All the wotsits crumbs and jizz broke his laptop ;)
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 13:07:59 GMT
I fucking wish! I haven't played FIFA/Football Manager for a good 6 months and the FM I have is 2012! All the wotsits crumbs and jizz broke his laptop It's like trying to wank a wotsit!
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Post by bertiestan on May 25, 2015 13:27:48 GMT
All the wotsits crumbs and jizz broke his laptop It's like trying to wank a wotsit!
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Post by Kjones9 on May 25, 2015 14:40:51 GMT
Oatcake Mourinho.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:43:50 GMT
Ffs. We need Huth back. Etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:45:58 GMT
Oatcake Mourinho. You called?
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Post by Kjones9 on May 25, 2015 14:53:11 GMT
Oatcake Mourinho. You called? You wish spunky.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 14:54:16 GMT
Ffs. We need Huth back. Etc. But he can't play two games in a week Jase!
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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 25, 2015 15:05:10 GMT
It's a weird one. Generally we haven't conceded too many and we haven't really been thrashed this season. But an extremely high percentage of those goals we have conceded have been incredibly sloppy ones from individual mistakes or poor defending from set pieces. If we can cut those out next season and continue our generally good defensive record we could seriously challenge the top 6 next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:11:42 GMT
We have the 6th best defence in the league. Chelsea 32 GA Southmpton 33 GA Arsenal 36 GA Man Utd 37 GA Man City 38 GA Stoke City 45 GA Conceded fewer than Spurs and Liverpool. Given our awful run of injuries, constant reshuffled back four and vulnerability to set pieces that's a mighty achievement. But Cameron, Wilson and Wollscheid are shit
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 15:14:28 GMT
We have the 6th best defence in the league. Chelsea 32 GA Southmpton 33 GA Arsenal 36 GA Man Utd 37 GA Man City 38 GA Stoke City 45 GA Conceded fewer than Spurs and Liverpool. Given our awful run of injuries, constant reshuffled back four and vulnerability to set pieces that's a mighty achievement. But Cameron, Wilson and Wollscheid are shit Yup! Your mate Whelan is a big part of that record too......
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:16:29 GMT
But Cameron, Wilson and Wollscheid are shit Yup! Your mate Whelan is a big part of that record too...... Is he bollocks.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 15:17:17 GMT
Yup! Your mate Whelan is a big part of that record too...... Is he bollocks. You're embarrassing yourself now mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 15:22:02 GMT
Yup! Your mate Whelan is a big part of that record too...... Is he bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:23:19 GMT
Giving stupid free kicks away and not winning headers at the near post. Great contribution.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 15:26:07 GMT
Giving stupid free kicks away and not winning headers at the near post. Great contribution. How many headers has he not won at the near post, incidentally? Midfielder in giving away free kick shocker. None of the others ever do that do they? Good job Cattermole doesn't do that eh?
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 25, 2015 15:27:31 GMT
You are like a broken record fella. Geoffrey has just signed a 3 year extension. Wolly has just signed for 3 years. Wilson is here for at least 2 more = get over it BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE Geoff has and God help us all if we don't sign a proper right back. Ditto Wolly, him not coming on yesterday was very telling imo, why can't we trust our new signing? Wilson has a year left, I think he might go this summer actually which I actually think is a worry! Because Wolly is a work in progress and we know Wilson can at least come in and on the whole be solid with his mistakes thrown in but he's better than Wolly. The big worry there though clearly is Muni's injuries and how many games one of these two will have to play. I'd be surprised if Wilson goes, he's our LB back up.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 25, 2015 15:29:32 GMT
Yup! Your mate Whelan is a big part of that record too...... Is he bollocks. Haha the defencive midfielder has nothing to do with the defencive record
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 25, 2015 15:30:14 GMT
Giving stupid free kicks away and not winning headers at the near post. Great contribution. How many headers has he not won at the near post, incidentally?Midfielder in giving away free kick shocker. None of the others ever do that do they? Good job Cattermole doesn't do that eh? One, get rid now
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