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Post by ukcstokie on May 20, 2015 23:54:22 GMT
So Spurs don't want Harry Kane to play for the Under 21's in Europe this summer...
but they want to take him on a post season tour of Malaysia and Australia.
Misplaced priorities. Allow a young player to represent his country and learn about tournament football, or head off down under making more money for the club?
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Post by upthefud on May 20, 2015 23:57:20 GMT
Completely agree.
I was cringing reading Poch's comments on the matter.
If spurs are that concerned then they'll be the ones to leave him at home.
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Post by ukcstokie on May 21, 2015 0:05:44 GMT
Completely agree. I was cringing reading Poch's comments on the matter. If spurs are that concerned then they'll be the ones to leave him at home. Correct. I've never really understood the point of a post season tour - apart from making money. Clubs moan about the length of the season and the number of games, then send their players to the other side of the world to play a couple of friendlies. |
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2015 3:01:13 GMT
Completely agree. I was cringing reading Poch's comments on the matter. If spurs are that concerned then they'll be the ones to leave him at home. Correct. I've never really understood the point of a post season tour - apart from making money. Clubs moan about the length of the season and the number of games, then send their players to the other side of the world to play a couple of friendlies. You've fully understood the point of a post season tour! |
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Post by bolders on May 21, 2015 3:04:25 GMT
Would Poch be against it if the lad was an Argentine?
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Post by viewfrominside on May 21, 2015 6:29:19 GMT
Should be an england u21 team in the prem league or chanpionship. any player not playing reguarly with their club should be able to sign a short loan contract if the u21 england club manager fancies him. It would give them chance to showcase their abilities week in week out in the premiership to get regular first team football or a move to someone who wants to use them.
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Post by adamsson on May 21, 2015 6:39:47 GMT
Completely agree. I was cringing reading Poch's comments on the matter. If spurs are that concerned then they'll be the ones to leave him at home. Correct. I've never really understood the point of a post season tour - apart from making money. Clubs moan about the length of the season and the number of games, then send their players to the other side of the world to play a couple of friendlies. In sport if anything appears to make no sense, it's about the money. |
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Post by lordb on May 21, 2015 7:43:13 GMT
Would Poch be against it if the lad was an Argentine? It's not being driven by him it's the club who want Kane on the tour for 'commercial reasons' |
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Post by broomey1983 on May 21, 2015 9:10:34 GMT
I thought it was because we are shit
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Post by nott1 on May 21, 2015 11:25:54 GMT
Clubs should have no say in it!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 21, 2015 11:29:51 GMT
It's because we're wnak!
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Post by Gods on May 21, 2015 11:36:40 GMT
I think we fail as a national side because in our big money league because we have outsourced the dirty business of actually playing the game to foreign people. So when we have to stand up on our own 2 feet and actually compete on the pitch with English players alone we're knackered.
In truth it is no different from the business world, we still have many of the great brands and great designers too and we make a lot of money and that is partly because the hard grunt and grind work has been sent overseas.
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Post by huddy on May 21, 2015 11:43:23 GMT
We fail for three reasons;
1)Our players play in the hardest physical league with no break and are always knackered come the summer.
2)We aren't good enough technically or tactically because of demands of said league.
3)We always pick the wrong Manager.Woy?Please.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 21, 2015 11:51:08 GMT
We fail for three reasons; 1)Our players play in the hardest physical league with no break and are always knackered come the summer. 2)We aren't good enough technically or tactically because of demands of said league. 3)We always pick the wrong Manager.Woy?Please. I dont buy into this play in the hardest physical league so they are knackered business, it's an excuse. They are athletes, they are looked after by medical staff, physio's & fitness coaches, the best money can buy. They play at most (99% of the time) two 90 minute games per week for 9 months a year. They use top fitness facilities. Top level players are pampered for 9 months of the year. Foreign players are tecnicaly better than the English in majority of cases and it's these foreigners that make our lot look better than they are at club level because they make space etc, they have better footballing brains imo , put the english together and it's as if everybodies waiting for the next player to do something instead of taking the initiative |
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Post by huddy on May 21, 2015 11:58:01 GMT
Sorry but it IS a hard league because it's fast and physical and there's no break! Granted medical attention is better but it's still tough.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 21, 2015 12:03:07 GMT
Sorry but it IS a hard league because it's fast and physical and there's no break! Granted medical attention is better but it's still tough. if you are a full back, a winger that bombs up and down the flank for 90 minutes twice a week I can understand it, I don't understand how the rest of positions can be so demanding if you are trained athlete, especially when the ref blows these days if someone farts too close to you while you are on the ball, they ought to try playing rugby then go off to play in the rugby world cup |
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Post by viewfrominside on May 21, 2015 12:05:14 GMT
top quality supplements for energy boost, protein and recovery, they use the lot
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Post by huddy on May 21, 2015 12:07:17 GMT
I think the point is that none of the other leagues are as relentlessly physical so their players are fresher
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Post by viewfrominside on May 21, 2015 12:09:44 GMT
I think the point is that none of the other leagues are as relentlessly physical so their players are fresher Point taken, but then you could argue that these european games should be a walk in the park because it's like playing a friendly compared to what they are accustomed too |
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Post by huddy on May 21, 2015 12:11:50 GMT
I think the point is that none of the other leagues are as relentlessly physical so their players are fresher Point taken, but then you could argue that these european games should be a walk in the park because it's like playing a friendly compared to what they are accustomed too But then we're crap when we play slowly!! Can't win-literally! |
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Post by viewfrominside on May 21, 2015 12:16:44 GMT
Point taken, but then you could argue that these european games should be a walk in the park because it's like playing a friendly compared to what they are accustomed too But then we're crap when we play slowly!! Can't win-literally! I agree with that that's why we should play at the same pace as we do in Club games, regadless of wether it will win a tournament or not because that's what we are used too, you can't just change the habit of a lifetime for international football and expect to be successful by playing them at their own game, we're not good enough |
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Post by adamsson on May 21, 2015 12:17:03 GMT
I think the point is that none of the other leagues are as relentlessly physical so their players are fresher Seem less of a problem for non English players in the Premiership though  |
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Post by jbstokie on May 21, 2015 12:17:31 GMT
Because our manager thinks Jamie Vardy is good enough.
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Post by viewfrominside on May 21, 2015 12:18:34 GMT
We should be making these foreign national teams adjust to our pace by taking the initiative from the first whistle and forcing a fast paced pressing game. we are on a hiding to nothing changing our own game just for national games
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 12:27:25 GMT
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Post by viewfrominside on May 21, 2015 12:31:41 GMT
English footballers play better on impulse imo, give us time to think and we're doomed
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 21, 2015 12:32:16 GMT
English footballers play better on impulse imo, give us time to think and we're doomed And that mentality has to change if we're going to do anything, ever. |
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Post by viewfrominside on May 21, 2015 12:38:49 GMT
English footballers play better on impulse imo, give us time to think and we're doomed And that mentality has to change if we're going to do anything, ever. agreed but it's not going to change with success overnight, it has to be generations that come through from the start with that mentality as in taught it from an early age and practiced on into competitive club football, we are a couple of decades away from that. We are not going to win in a hot summer tournament with a fast paced pressing game no, but we arn't going to win trying to beat them at their own game either, as has been proved for the past 3 or 4 tournaments where we look clueless like fish out of water. This generation just don't play football like that naturally so in fairness to them they shouldn't be expected too and be successful enough to win anything |
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 21, 2015 12:45:20 GMT
And that mentality has to change if we're going to do anything, ever. agreed but it's not going to change with success overnight, it has to be generations that come through from the start with that mentality as in taught it from an early age and practiced on into competitive club football, we are a couple of decades away from that. We are not going to win in a hot summer tournament with a fast paced pressing game no, but we arn't going to win trying to beat them at their own game either, as has been proved for the past 3 or 4 tournaments where we look clueless like fish out of water. This generation just don't play football like that naturally so in fairness to them they shouldn't be expected too and be successful enough to win anything Agree, it'll take a long time. Like technique etc we need to get our players thinking tactically from an early age like they do in Holland, Germany etc. |
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Post by spongebobflathead on May 21, 2015 13:34:39 GMT
agreed but it's not going to change with success overnight, it has to be generations that come through from the start with that mentality as in taught it from an early age and practiced on into competitive club football, we are a couple of decades away from that. We are not going to win in a hot summer tournament with a fast paced pressing game no, but we arn't going to win trying to beat them at their own game either, as has been proved for the past 3 or 4 tournaments where we look clueless like fish out of water. This generation just don't play football like that naturally so in fairness to them they shouldn't be expected too and be successful enough to win anything Agree, it'll take a long time. Like technique etc we need to get our players thinking tactically from an early age like they do in Holland, Germany etc. This is spot on rob and actually overlooked on so many occasions , to trot out the old lines about premiership opportunities ect ect ect does not add up , the bottom line is WE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY GOOD ENOUGH , and until we change the old draconian English mindset about coaching and what actually makes a good footballer we are destined to be in the footballing wilderness for a long time ! |
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