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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 19:34:22 GMT
All immigrants, lab, lib, green, snp, brainwashed uni kids etc will vote in ......and the media will push for the in vote Stuffed in the election Fraise-now stuffed on Europe. Not just me craig, all of us
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 20:04:54 GMT
Cameron's Nightmare Has Just Begun ....! He doesn't want it , he's frightened to death of it , and the vast majority don't know what to do . Either way , this decision will be much bigger than tonight's election result . The election arguments are history chaps ....! The future is The promised referendum..... Shit has hit the fan. He should just go for it. I reckon it would be a landslide for staying in. IF that happens, UKIP are dead. Go for it. I don't know about a landslide but with Tories, Labour and the two black cabs party all arguing to stay in and making the case for it, it's going to be tough for the out lobby to win. See, this is why I think Farage has left the door open to return after the summer. He's wanting to keep Cameron accountable and he also knows that without him UKIP is nothing, so it won't matter all that much that he's not an MP. His personality will be vital if the Out campaign is to stand much of a chance against the massed negativity of the other three parties. See how they terrified a portion of the Scots into voting no in the referendum - the same tactics will probably be used again - job losses, increased prices, potential tax rises all the usual scaremongering that the British people respond to quite readily.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 8, 2015 20:15:59 GMT
I expect Cameron will push through a few concessions from the EU that will pacify the public enough that the vote doesn't need to happen, or its a dead cert if it does. At least i hope so. Are you being serious ? What concessions do you honestly think he has any chance of getting ? No fucking chance. It us against 18 other member states and I know what there answer is already .! That's why it's a simple yes or no , In or piggin Out . Jesus Wept. Keep up mumf......there are 28 member states including us. That's 27 other member states.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 20:30:48 GMT
Big fingers ...small keyboards but regardless of who is Prime minister there is no way the EU would give us anything special . Why should they ? They know they have us by the balls. Its a hopeless position to be in. Farage will be back soon to show us the errors of our ways.
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Post by britsabroad on May 8, 2015 23:50:11 GMT
I expect Cameron will push through a few concessions from the EU that will pacify the public enough that the vote doesn't need to happen, or its a dead cert if it does. At least i hope so. Are you being serious ? What concessions do you honestly think he has any chance of getting ? No fucking chance. It us against 18 other member states and I know what there answer is already .! That's why it's a simple yes or no , In or piggin Out . Jesus Wept. You think we have no power, but youre wrong when it comes to an in or out vote. Greece is being kept in for a reason. If us or one of the major members left it would be the end of the EU. They will do what they need to to keep us in.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 23:57:49 GMT
Are you being serious ? What concessions do you honestly think he has any chance of getting ? No fucking chance. It us against 18 other member states and I know what there answer is already .! That's why it's a simple yes or no , In or piggin Out . Jesus Wept. You think we have no power, but youre wrong when it comes to an in or out vote. Greece is being kept in for a reason. If us or one of the major members left it would be the end of the EU. They will do what they need to to keep us in. Of course they will ....behind the scenes and no one will be any the wiser ....but it will allow the politicians on all sides to carry on posturing with out losing any face .....The EU need Britain onboard , it's as simple as that .
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 23:59:15 GMT
Stuffed in the election Fraise-now stuffed on Europe. Not just me craig, all of us Stuffed again mate ?
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Post by desman2 on May 9, 2015 0:07:52 GMT
All immigrants, lab, lib, green, snp, brainwashed uni kids etc will vote in ......and the media will push for the in vote Stuffed in the election Fraise-now stuffed on Europe. Give it a year or so and youll find whos really getting stuffed.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 0:14:00 GMT
Stuffed in the election Fraise-now stuffed on Europe. Give it a year or so and youll find whos really getting stuffed. Possibly .....it could have been worse though couldn't it ?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 7:11:00 GMT
Not just me craig, all of us Stuffed again mate ? I hope you need a plasterer soon
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 7:12:46 GMT
Give it a year or so and youll find whos really getting stuffed. Possibly .....it could have been worse though couldn't it ? Personally not really Bish ......my wife has been raped in the purse by cameron of over 11k per yr
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Post by salopstick on May 9, 2015 7:17:42 GMT
He should just go for it. I reckon it would be a landslide for staying in. IF that happens, UKIP are dead. Go for it. I don't know about a landslide but with Tories, Labour and the two black cabs party all arguing to stay in and making the case for it, it's going to be tough for the out lobby to win. See, this is why I think Farage has left the door open to return after the summer. He's wanting to keep Cameron accountable and he also knows that without him UKIP is nothing, so it won't matter all that much that he's not an MP. His personality will be vital if the Out campaign is to stand much of a chance against the massed negativity of the other three parties. See how they terrified a portion of the Scots into voting no in the referendum - the same tactics will probably be used again - job losses, increased prices, potential tax rises all the usual scaremongering that the British people respond to quite readily. And that is why UKIP should have been an anti EU lobby group in the same mould as the tax payers alliance He doesn't need to be an MP
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 9, 2015 7:20:56 GMT
Can anybody enlighten the message boarders on how the EU Parliament works. Do they pass laws the same as Westminster because some of the laws that have been passed would take a lunatic to vote for them. I'm talking in particular migration laws and paying of benefits but also some of the bureaucracy that has been imposed upon businesses. Or are laws and policies dictated by Euro bureaurocrats?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 9, 2015 9:30:25 GMT
Can anybody enlighten the message boarders on how the EU Parliament works. Do they pass laws the same as Westminster because some of the laws that have been passed would take a lunatic to vote for them. I'm talking in particular migration laws and paying of benefits but also some of the bureaucracy that has been imposed upon businesses. Or are laws and policies dictated by Euro bureaurocrats? Have a look at the Europa.eu web page. europa.eu/index_en.htmI don't think that the reality of the extent of our integration into the EU may have dawned upon the majority of UK citizens. Under the EU we are no longer countries but " member states". Martin Schulz, Donald Tusk and Jean Claude Juncker, as well as the current role of Latvia, make up the most powerful players..Add Angela Merkel and François Hollande into the equation, vitually no connection with the UK electorate. Largely unelected but appointed. The admin alone costs a fortune, a nice living if you can get it, with, IMHO, little contribution to our way of life; at least nothing we could not decide ourselves at National level I wonder what the future holds for democracy in the ' United States of Europe
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 9, 2015 9:55:44 GMT
Was De Gaulle right?
1967: De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again
The French President, Charles de Gaulle, has for a second time said he will veto Britain's application to join the Common Market.
He warned France's five partners in the European Economic Community (EEC) that if they tried to impose British membership on France it would result in the break-up of the community
At a news conference at the Elysee Palace in Paris, attended by more than 1,000 diplomats, civil servants and ministers as well as journalists, General de Gaulle accused Britain of a "deep-seated hostility" towards European construction.
He said London showed a "lack of interest" in the Common Market and would require a "radical transformation" before joining the EEC.
"The present Common Market is incompatible with the economy, as it now stands, of Britain," he said.
He went on to list a number of aspects of Britain's economy, from working practices to agriculture, which he said made Britain incompatible with Europe.
Hopes that he might offer clear terms for associate membership were also dashed. He said France would back commercial exchanges with Britain - "be it called association or by any other name" - but that was all.
His remarks were greeted with dismay in Europe, where it is feared an open crisis within the EEC is now inevitable.
Gloom
General de Gaulle's position has hardly changed since he first vetoed Britain's application to join in 1963.
He leaves the British Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, with no realistic hope of taking Britain into Europe in the near future.
All three political parties are committed to joining the EEC, and the news of General de Gaulle's continuing intransigence on the issue was met with gloom in Westminster.
The only group which was pleased with the General's comments were anti-European campaigners.
They called on the prime minister to withdraw Britain's application immediately.
Only then, they said, could a "humiliating" inquiry into the UK's economic affairs be avoided when Common Market foreign ministers meet to consider Britain's application formally next month.
Mr Wilson himself said he would not countenance what he called "peevish reactions" which might jeopardise Britain's relations with France or the other five EEC countries.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 10:22:52 GMT
Possibly .....it could have been worse though couldn't it ? Personally not really Bish ......my wife has been raped in the purse by cameron of over 11k per yr That's tough mate , I'm sorry to hear it .
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 10:27:29 GMT
Stuffed again mate ? I hope you need a plasterer soon Funny you should mention that , I've noticed a few cracks appearing on the bedroom ceiling.......I'll get back to you
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Post by basingstokie on May 9, 2015 14:43:47 GMT
The way the eu is going at the moment with laws passed on us, mass, uncontrolled immigration, unlimited right to benefits and healthcare and a parliament that is more corrupt than ours (accounts haven't been signed off for 17 years because of payment irregularities) then I would be inclined to vote out. But if Dc can negotiate a better deal for us then I'd probably vote to stay in
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 18:40:38 GMT
The way the eu is going at the moment with laws passed on us, mass, uncontrolled immigration, unlimited right to benefits and healthcare and a parliament that is more corrupt than ours (accounts haven't been signed off for 17 years because of payment irregularities) then I would be inclined to vote out. But if Dc can negotiate a better deal for us then I'd probably vote to stay in He won't....but, he'll make it seem as tho he has
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 18:55:40 GMT
I hope you need a plasterer soon Funny you should mention that , I've noticed a few cracks appearing on the bedroom ceiling.......I'll get back to you I didn't realise you were still as active in bed ....
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Post by desman2 on May 9, 2015 18:57:38 GMT
Can anybody enlighten the message boarders on how the EU Parliament works. Do they pass laws the same as Westminster because some of the laws that have been passed would take a lunatic to vote for them. I'm talking in particular migration laws and paying of benefits but also some of the bureaucracy that has been imposed upon businesses. Or are laws and policies dictated by Euro bureaurocrats? Theres an EU commission mainly made up of ex commies or socialists who tell countries what they should do. This then goes to the EU parliament which is mainly made up of socialists and liberals who always follow the mantra and the shit ends up with us and all the other people of Europe. These are a sample of the esteemed people who tell us whats what
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 22:26:44 GMT
Funny you should mention that , I've noticed a few cracks appearing on the bedroom ceiling.......I'll get back to you I didn't realise you were still as active in bed .... Why would you ? ... Put it down to the good life mumf.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 22:34:26 GMT
The way the eu is going at the moment with laws passed on us, mass, uncontrolled immigration, unlimited right to benefits and healthcare and a parliament that is more corrupt than ours (accounts haven't been signed off for 17 years because of payment irregularities) then I would be inclined to vote out. But if Dc can negotiate a better deal for us then I'd probably vote to stay in He won't....but, he'll make it seem as tho he has Well that's what politicians do mate ......and they all do it ....masters In the art of deceit , some are just better than others .
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 7:19:07 GMT
He won't....but, he'll make it seem as tho he has Well that's what politicians do mate ......and they all do it ....masters In the art of deceit , some are just better than others .
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2015 18:05:16 GMT
It's getting more complicated now. In some ways Nicola has a point ,she has the mandate to speak for Scotland. When does devolution amount to independence, how long (if we are now) will we continue to be a UNITED Kingdom?
NICOLA Sturgeon has revealed she is to take Scotland’s support for staying in the EU to the heart of Europe - as she insisted today that Scots must not face an exit against “our will” in the forthcoming referendum.
The First Minister confirmed she is to push for a “double majority” to be included in the EU referendum - likely to be staged in 2017 - which would mean all four nations of the UK must back withdrawal before exit is possible. She is to make a keynote speech to EU chiefs on the issue in Brussels next week.
? Nicola Sturgeon with Heart of Midlothian Football Club Chairwoman and Chief Executive Ann Budge, one of the first employers to sign the Scottish Business Pledge, a new partnership between Government and business to promote fairness and boost growth. Picture: PA The “scale and speed” of the spending reductions being earmarked by the new Conservative government, which is now committed to another programme of austerity cuts, will also be opposed by the SNP administration at Holyrood.
? Ms Sturgeon was today making her first major speech on the economy since the UK election last year which saw the SNP seize 56 of Scotland’s 59 seats. The event at Hearts’ Tynecastle stadium in Edinburgh also comes ahead of the Queens Speech tomorrow which is likely to include legislation to stage a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU.
Ms Sturgeon said today: “I don’t think its desirable to hold an in-out referendum on membership of the EU.
“But since a referednum is now inevitable, we will work to protect Scotland’s interests. We will propose a “double majority” meaning that exit is only possible if all four nations of the UK agree to it - something which would prevent Scotland from being forced out of the EU against our will.”
The SNP Government is to campaign against withdrawal and Ms Sturgeon revealed she will take her case to the heart of Europe next week.
“That’s something I intend to say more about when I make a speech in Brussels a week today.”
? The SNP will also point to the charter for budget responsibility which allows the UK Government flexibility to increase spending over its current plans, with a further £12 billion of welfare cuts currently on the cards.
“If the UK Government sticks to its current proposals we will argue for ways in which the impact on Scotland can be lessened.”
Ms Sturgeon also re-iterated that she is to push for more powers for Holyrood in the aftermath of the SNP victory in Scotland in the election with a push for greater control of business taxes, employment law, the minimum wage, and welfare.
And she pledged to consult with companies to consider their “needs and interests” as she implements the new powers.
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Post by salopstick on May 26, 2015 22:48:46 GMT
It's getting more complicated now. In some ways Nicola has a point ,she has the mandate to speak for Scotland. When does devolution amount to independence, how long (if we are now) will we continue to be a UNITED Kingdom? NICOLA Sturgeon has revealed she is to take Scotland’s support for staying in the EU to the heart of Europe - as she insisted today that Scots must not face an exit against “our will” in the forthcoming referendum. The First Minister confirmed she is to push for a “double majority” to be included in the EU referendum - likely to be staged in 2017 - which would mean all four nations of the UK must back withdrawal before exit is possible. She is to make a keynote speech to EU chiefs on the issue in Brussels next week. ? Nicola Sturgeon with Heart of Midlothian Football Club Chairwoman and Chief Executive Ann Budge, one of the first employers to sign the Scottish Business Pledge, a new partnership between Government and business to promote fairness and boost growth. Picture: PA The “scale and speed” of the spending reductions being earmarked by the new Conservative government, which is now committed to another programme of austerity cuts, will also be opposed by the SNP administration at Holyrood. ? Ms Sturgeon was today making her first major speech on the economy since the UK election last year which saw the SNP seize 56 of Scotland’s 59 seats. The event at Hearts’ Tynecastle stadium in Edinburgh also comes ahead of the Queens Speech tomorrow which is likely to include legislation to stage a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU. Ms Sturgeon said today: “I don’t think its desirable to hold an in-out referendum on membership of the EU. “But since a referednum is now inevitable, we will work to protect Scotland’s interests. We will propose a “double majority” meaning that exit is only possible if all four nations of the UK agree to it - something which would prevent Scotland from being forced out of the EU against our will.” The SNP Government is to campaign against withdrawal and Ms Sturgeon revealed she will take her case to the heart of Europe next week. “That’s something I intend to say more about when I make a speech in Brussels a week today.” ? The SNP will also point to the charter for budget responsibility which allows the UK Government flexibility to increase spending over its current plans, with a further £12 billion of welfare cuts currently on the cards. “If the UK Government sticks to its current proposals we will argue for ways in which the impact on Scotland can be lessened.” Ms Sturgeon also re-iterated that she is to push for more powers for Holyrood in the aftermath of the SNP victory in Scotland in the election with a push for greater control of business taxes, employment law, the minimum wage, and welfare. And she pledged to consult with companies to consider their “needs and interests” as she implements the new powers. A hypocritical bitch. Where was this double mandate when she had her referendum. By her logic considering Scottish independence would have implications for the rest of the UK she should have pushed for a national jock referendum.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 27, 2015 7:13:57 GMT
It's getting more complicated now. In some ways Nicola has a point ,she has the mandate to speak for Scotland. When does devolution amount to independence, how long (if we are now) will we continue to be a UNITED Kingdom? NICOLA Sturgeon has revealed she is to take Scotland’s support for staying in the EU to the heart of Europe - as she insisted today that Scots must not face an exit against “our will” in the forthcoming referendum. The First Minister confirmed she is to push for a “double majority” to be included in the EU referendum - likely to be staged in 2017 - which would mean all four nations of the UK must back withdrawal before exit is possible. She is to make a keynote speech to EU chiefs on the issue in Brussels next week. ? Nicola Sturgeon with Heart of Midlothian Football Club Chairwoman and Chief Executive Ann Budge, one of the first employers to sign the Scottish Business Pledge, a new partnership between Government and business to promote fairness and boost growth. Picture: PA The “scale and speed” of the spending reductions being earmarked by the new Conservative government, which is now committed to another programme of austerity cuts, will also be opposed by the SNP administration at Holyrood. ? Ms Sturgeon was today making her first major speech on the economy since the UK election last year which saw the SNP seize 56 of Scotland’s 59 seats. The event at Hearts’ Tynecastle stadium in Edinburgh also comes ahead of the Queens Speech tomorrow which is likely to include legislation to stage a referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU. Ms Sturgeon said today: “I don’t think its desirable to hold an in-out referendum on membership of the EU. “But since a referednum is now inevitable, we will work to protect Scotland’s interests. We will propose a “double majority” meaning that exit is only possible if all four nations of the UK agree to it - something which would prevent Scotland from being forced out of the EU against our will.” The SNP Government is to campaign against withdrawal and Ms Sturgeon revealed she will take her case to the heart of Europe next week. “That’s something I intend to say more about when I make a speech in Brussels a week today.” ? The SNP will also point to the charter for budget responsibility which allows the UK Government flexibility to increase spending over its current plans, with a further £12 billion of welfare cuts currently on the cards. “If the UK Government sticks to its current proposals we will argue for ways in which the impact on Scotland can be lessened.” Ms Sturgeon also re-iterated that she is to push for more powers for Holyrood in the aftermath of the SNP victory in Scotland in the election with a push for greater control of business taxes, employment law, the minimum wage, and welfare. And she pledged to consult with companies to consider their “needs and interests” as she implements the new powers. A hypocritical bitch. Where was this double mandate when she had her referendum. By her logic considering Scottish independence would have implications for the rest of the UK she should have pushed for a national jock referendum. Regardless of her attitude on this, it should be made plainly clear to people that if they vote for an exit out of the EU they are probably voting for Scotland to leave the UK. I'm not really sure most people are aware of these consequences at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 11:29:18 GMT
Isn't it amazing how emotional and infuriated people get about a Scottish politician who wants the best for Scotland , wants independence and is so much better at getting her point across than anything South of the border.
If that's what the Scots want .....Give it to them . Power to the people .
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2015 11:43:54 GMT
Isn't it amazing how emotional and infuriated people get about a Scottish politician who wants the best for Scotland , wants independence and is so much better at getting her point across than anything South of the border. If that's what the Scots want .....Give it to them . Power to the people . That's why I originally said that she has a point and mandate.I think that it is on the cards that Scotland will be independent within 10 years in any case.As the SNP push for more and more devolution, when does this de facto become independence.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 12:03:18 GMT
Maybe the Scottish public would be tempted to say yes to a United Kingdom governing itself.....give it 10 yrs and decide if they prefer Brussels controlling them
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