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Post by partickpotter on May 6, 2015 6:19:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 6:48:30 GMT
Roll on May 8th
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Post by crapslinger on May 6, 2015 7:23:35 GMT
Who the fuck is camera  |
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Post by Northy on May 6, 2015 7:25:44 GMT
Is that when they let him back in the party  |
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 7:36:47 GMT
Who the fuck is camera Lol . If camera is anything like that Brand bloke I certainly wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire  Vote ukip for a fair , equal Britain (thumbs up) |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 7:41:00 GMT
Is that when they let him back in the party It's when we get a rest from it all.......and Dave's gone hopefully |
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 7:43:35 GMT
Is that when they let him back in the party It's when we get a rest from it all.......and Dave's gone hopefully As I've said before. For every kilo of dirt people can dig up on ukip I could dig a ton on the other parties. Can't wait put that X in the box next to UKIP come election day. It's defo the right thing to do . Of that there is no doubt  |
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 7:45:17 GMT
It's when we get a rest from it all.......and Dave's gone hopefully As I've said before. For every kilo of dirt people can dig up on ukip I could dig a ton on the other parties. Can't wait put that X in the box next to UKIP come election day. It's defo the right thing to do . Of that there is no doubt I can't wait to see when Farage continues to play absolutely no part in our Government. Your vote will be wasted |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 7:50:12 GMT
As I've said before. For every kilo of dirt people can dig up on ukip I could dig a ton on the other parties. Can't wait put that X in the box next to UKIP come election day. It's defo the right thing to do . Of that there is no doubt I can't to see when Farage continues to play absolutely no part in our Government. Your vote will be wasted In English please |
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 7:52:07 GMT
I can't wait to see when Farage continues to play absolutely no part in our Government. Your vote will be wasted In English please I've edited it for you dear. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 7:53:04 GMT
As I've said before. For every kilo of dirt people can dig up on ukip I could dig a ton on the other parties. Can't wait put that X in the box next to UKIP come election day. It's defo the right thing to do . Of that there is no doubt I can't to see when Farage continues to play absolutely no part in our Government. Your vote will be wasted voting for change is not a waste........voting for more of the same as you seem to be doing is a waste.....blue red yellow......same outcome |
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 7:53:19 GMT
As I've said before. For every kilo of dirt people can dig up on ukip I could dig a ton on the other parties. Can't wait put that X in the box next to UKIP come election day. It's defo the right thing to do . Of that there is no doubt I can't to see when Farage continues to play absolutely no part in our Government. Your vote will be wasted Ay up he's here again Thought you were going stop trying to debate with me. So you backtracked and went back on your word ? . Tut tut . Typical lefty I've made it clear that I aren't expecting any massive gains for ukip but I also made it clear that I don't care. For me it's a personal things. Voting ukip is the right thing to do. This country is dying due to people like you but when is actually gone for good at least I'll be able look my kids in the eye. A vote for ukip is never wasted. If it does nothing but send out a clear message to the main parties that we want change then they would of done their job and in the meantime if it upsets people like you which it clearly does then that's just a bonus as far as I'mconcerned |
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 7:56:29 GMT
I can't to see when Farage continues to play absolutely no part in our Government. Your vote will be wasted voting for change is not a waste........voting for more of the same as you seem to be doing is a waste.....blue red yellow......same outcome You're not voting for change though are you. We all know UKIP won't get into power, so what will UKIP change as a result of yours and anyone else's vote? Nothing, absolutely nothing. |
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 7:59:15 GMT
I can't to see when Farage continues to play absolutely no part in our Government. Your vote will be wasted voting for change is not a waste........voting for more of the same as you seem to be doing is a waste.....blue red yellow......same outcome Correct |
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Post by partickpotter on May 6, 2015 8:02:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 8:31:38 GMT
voting for change is not a waste........voting for more of the same as you seem to be doing is a waste.....blue red yellow......same outcome You're not voting for change though are you. We all know UKIP won't get into power, so what will UKIP change as a result of yours and anyone else's vote? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Well put it this way, apart from getting two big defections from the tories, doing exceptionally well in the locals, pasting the opposition in the euros, forcing cameron to promise a referendum and forcing the other three parties to acknowledge that open door immigration is a problem ukip have done fuck all the he more people vote for change the more you will see change.......getting as many ukip into Westminster as possible will help even more you voting for more of the same?........green? ......or max wall appreciation society? if you don't like ukip please I urge you to vote the latter  |
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Post by ukcstokie on May 6, 2015 9:28:28 GMT
As I've said before. For every kilo of dirt people can dig up on ukip I could dig a ton on the other parties. Can't wait put that X in the box next to UKIP come election day. It's defo the right thing to do . Of that there is no doubt I can't wait to see when Farage continues to play absolutely no part in our Government. Your vote will be wasted The only reason why UKIP won't be part of the next government is because of the voting system. They could very well have almost as many votes as the SNP and LibDems put together, but probably 80 less seats. It's a shame that people are revelling in the failures of our democratic process. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 9:39:35 GMT
He probably did though |
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 10:08:27 GMT
You're not voting for change though are you. We all know UKIP won't get into power, so what will UKIP change as a result of yours and anyone else's vote? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Well put it this way, apart from getting two big defections from the tories, doing exceptionally well in the locals, pasting the opposition in the euros, forcing cameron to promise a referendum and forcing the other three parties to acknowledge that open door immigration is a problem ukip have done fuck all the he more people vote for change the more you will see change.......getting as many ukip into Westminster as possible will help even more you voting for more of the same?........green? ......or max wall appreciation society? if you don't like ukip please I urge you to vote the latter Will UKIP be able to implement any of their policies? Nope, so there wont be any change as a result of you voting UKIP but crack on. |
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Post by ukcstokie on May 6, 2015 10:14:30 GMT
Well put it this way, apart from getting two big defections from the tories, doing exceptionally well in the locals, pasting the opposition in the euros, forcing cameron to promise a referendum and forcing the other three parties to acknowledge that open door immigration is a problem ukip have done fuck all the he more people vote for change the more you will see change.......getting as many ukip into Westminster as possible will help even more you voting for more of the same?........green? ......or max wall appreciation society? if you don't like ukip please I urge you to vote the latter Will UKIP be able to implement any of their policies? Nope, so there wont be any change as a result of you voting UKIP but crack on. Has UKIP changed what we're allowed to discuss? Yes. Will UKIP get the third highest vote from all parties - if the polls are to be believed? Yes. Do we have someone here who only likes democracy when they get the answer that they want? Sounds like it. |
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 11:01:36 GMT
Will UKIP be able to implement any of their policies? Nope, so there wont be any change as a result of you voting UKIP but crack on. Has UKIP changed what we're allowed to discuss? Yes. Will UKIP get the third highest vote from all parties - if the polls are to be believed? Yes. Do we have someone here who only likes democracy when they get the answer that they want? Sounds like it. It's got nothing to do with what I want. I'm just stating the truth, UKIP won't be able to implement any of their policies. It's a wasted vote under this current system, just like a vote for the Greens is. |
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Post by crapslinger on May 6, 2015 11:12:33 GMT
Has UKIP changed what we're allowed to discuss? Yes. Will UKIP get the third highest vote from all parties - if the polls are to be believed? Yes. Do we have someone here who only likes democracy when they get the answer that they want? Sounds like it. It's got nothing to do with what I want. I'm just stating the truth, UKIP won't be able to implement any of their policies. It's a wasted vote under this current system, just like a vote for the Greens is. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 11:21:39 GMT
Well put it this way, apart from getting two big defections from the tories, doing exceptionally well in the locals, pasting the opposition in the euros, forcing cameron to promise a referendum and forcing the other three parties to acknowledge that open door immigration is a problem ukip have done fuck all the he more people vote for change the more you will see change.......getting as many ukip into Westminster as possible will help even more you voting for more of the same?........green? ......or max wall appreciation society? if you don't like ukip please I urge you to vote the latter Will UKIP be able to implement any of their policies? Nope, so there wont be any change as a result of you voting UKIP but crack on. Well they've forced the issues other parties were shitting bricks about so I'd imagine ukip in Westminster would be far more useful than the finger spinners that have been there for decades must crack on |
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 11:23:24 GMT
Will UKIP be able to implement any of their policies? Nope, so there wont be any change as a result of you voting UKIP but crack on. Has UKIP changed what we're allowed to discuss? Yes. Will UKIP get the third highest vote from all parties - if the polls are to be believed? Yes. Do we have someone here who only likes democracy when they get the answer that they want? Sounds like it. Good post |
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 12:01:11 GMT
Will UKIP be able to implement any of their policies? Nope, so there wont be any change as a result of you voting UKIP but crack on. Well they've forced the issues other parties were shitting bricks about so I'd imagine ukip in Westminster would be far more useful than the finger spinners that have been there for decades must crack on I think that Natalie Bennett (the 'crazy lady' who wants to look at the evidence before making policy decisions) gets it spot on when it comes to the immigration debate. The bits that stand out to me are; "As someone who wasn’t born in this country, but has chosen to live here, I’m challenging this divisive consensus. I’m disappointed that instead of politicians standing up to challenge Ukip’s toxic message, they are instead attempting to out-Ukip Ukip. The establishment parties are now competing with one another to “get tough” on immigration, fighting to shout the loudest to blame immigrants for the country’s ills. It has been no surprise over the past five years to see such a response from the Tories. But from Labour, I had hoped for something different."and "It is a myth that most immigrants come to the UK to exploit our welfare state. It is a myth that so-called “health tourists” are to blame for failures in the NHS and it is a myth that migrants are to blame for housing shortages. It is time to stand up to those peddling these myths."www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/05/miliband-immigration-myths-nigel-farage-ukip-green-party |
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 12:06:19 GMT
Will UKIP be able to implement any of their policies? Nope, so there wont be any change as a result of you voting UKIP but crack on. Well they've forced the issues other parties were shitting bricks about so I'd imagine ukip in Westminster would be far more useful than the finger spinners that have been there for decades must crack on Correct. Immigration is out of control and it needs fixing. Immigration is fine. Mass immigration which is what we have been experiencing under Labour is wrong on all levels. If immigration was UKIPs only policy that would be enough for me to vote for them but it just so happens that they have other policies . Most of which I agree with. |
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Post by edgepotter on May 6, 2015 12:08:50 GMT
George Monbiot talk a lot of sense too. "Where are the furious arguments about the UK’s unreformed political funding that allows billionaires and corporations to buy the politics they want? Where is the debate about the use and abuse of royal prerogative by successive prime ministers? Where is there even a mention of the democratic black hole at the heart of Britain, into which hopes for financial and fiscal reform are sucked: the Corporation of the City of London, whose illegitimate powers pre-date the Magna Carta?
Here’s a fact with which politicians should be assailed every day: the poor in this country pay more tax than the rich. If you didn’t know this – and most people don’t – it’s because you’ve been trained not to know it through relentless efforts by the corporate media. It distracts us by fixating on income tax, one of the few sources of revenue that’s unequivocally progressive. But this accounts for just 27% of total taxation. Overall, the richest tenth pay 35% of their income in tax, while the poorest tenth pay 43%, largely because of the regressive nature of VAT and council tax. The Equality Trust found that 96% of respondents to its survey would like a more progressive system. Yet where is the major party mobilising this desire, or even explaining the current injustice?"www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/05/election-issues-media-ignoring-nation-arrested-development |
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Post by stokeharry on May 6, 2015 12:16:23 GMT
I can't wait to see when Farage continues to play absolutely no part in our Government. Your vote will be wasted The only reason why UKIP won't be part of the next government is because of the voting system. They could very well have almost as many votes as the SNP and LibDems put together, but probably 80 less seats. It's a shame that people are revelling in the failures of our democratic process. Hear hear. It's a pity that some people will take pleasure in this fact. Ukip are the only party that offer a sensible approach to mass immigration which is bad for this country . Regardless of what happens on election day ukip will be around for a long time to come. Despite the nonsense that is spouted in biased newspapers such as the Guardian ukip have made good progress. It'd a fact that the PC brigade don't like but a fact that remains . (Thumbs up ) |
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Post by psychology on May 6, 2015 12:26:26 GMT
No matter what you think of Nigel Farage and of UKIP, he has actually shaken up politics in this country and re-engaged ordinairy voters (and non-voters) more than anyone I can remember.
One thing is for sure. The EU machine has to be abandoned by the UK or better still dismantled for the good of Europe. Where we go from there is anyone's guess. But let's remember...all Farage set out to do was put the issues on the table and actually consult the British people. It's democracy, even if you you dont happen to like the particular flavour he's advocating.
I also happen to think he has a bloody good point about the BBC too. The way our own Corporation has treated UKIP and it's policies through its sneering line of questioning has actually got me quite concerned and annoyed.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 12:48:00 GMT
No matter what you think of Nigel Farage and of UKIP, he has actually shaken up politics in this country and re-engaged ordinairy voters (and non-voters) more than anyone I can remember. One thing is for sure. The EU machine has to be abandoned by the UK or better still dismantled for the good of Europe. Where we go from there is anyone's guess. But let's remember...all Farage set out to do was put the issues on the table and actually consult the British people. It's democracy, even if you you dont happen to like the particular flavour he's advocating. I also happen to think he has a bloody good point about the BBC too. The way our own Corporation has treated UKIP and it's policies through its sneering line of questioning has actually got me quite concerned and annoyed. It's good to see a new view on Farage and ukip ...thank you we tend to get bogged down into the haters side issues after a while and miss the reality good post clif |
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