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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 15:42:11 GMT
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Now we know why dave and his predecessors have been dismantling our armed forces 
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 15:44:29 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 4, 2015 15:49:31 GMT
Both David Cameron and Ed Miliband have insisted they will not sign Britain up to an EU army.
There we go then.
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Post by Nick1984 on May 4, 2015 15:58:01 GMT
Wasn't this part of the Lisbon Treaty that Gordon Brown signed and the Irish were repeatedly forced to go to the polls for until they voted Yes?
A single state Europe with a single military has been planned for decades, it's inevitable.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 4, 2015 16:08:04 GMT
What are the negatives of an EU army?
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Post by desman2 on May 4, 2015 16:26:10 GMT
Its not whats wrong with it but how its used and going by how they have behaved in the middle east and the ukraine its quite alarming really. Potentially getting dragged into conflicts on the whim of unelected power freaks.
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Post by Nick1984 on May 4, 2015 17:37:12 GMT
What are the negatives of an EU army? It would further cement the EU as the United States of Europe. In the future countries like England and Italy will lose autonomy and just become the European equivalent of say Illinois or Florida. |
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Post by kbillyh on May 4, 2015 17:49:34 GMT
Yeah, that's right.
Farage is brilliant, he doesn't fuck about, calls a spade a spade an all that. Hope he wins and it shows all these fact based tossers how to run a fucking country.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 18:04:27 GMT
Yeah, that's right. Farage is brilliant, he doesn't fuck about, calls a spade a spade an all that. Hope he wins and it shows all these fact based tossers how to run a fucking country. Good idea ....Portugal , Spain , Italy , Ireland and a few more I could mention need all the help they can get .... |
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Post by stokeharry on May 4, 2015 18:22:37 GMT
Wrong on so many levels
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Post by partickpotter on May 4, 2015 21:09:48 GMT
Not sure I understand the need for this when we already have a supranational armed forces; NATO.
So we already are connected militarily with our European friends and a few extra ones as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 21:17:13 GMT
Not sure I understand the need for this when we already have a supranational armed forces; NATO. So we already are connected militarily with our European friends and a few extra ones as well. There's a need if you reflect on the bigger picture . The main priority is to keep us all tied together...handcuffed if you prefer . It also means more trade between member states . Lastly , it keeps a united front in the face of Soviet aggression . Basically , if the soviets shoot a 'Euro soldier ' then you incur the wrath of a number of countries . A dead Euro fighter represents a number of countries....if you follow my drift . |
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 4, 2015 23:28:09 GMT
suppose we have always sort of had one, the French Foreign Legion
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Post by ukcstokie on May 4, 2015 23:29:30 GMT
What are the negatives of an EU army? Remind me when I had a chance to vote on this? Or anything to do with the transfer of power from parliament to the EU? Remind me when we were asked to join some European super state? We give a mandate every 5 years or so for parliament to govern us. We have never been asked for our consent for parliament to give those powers to some other body. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 11:51:47 GMT
Not sure I understand the need for this when we already have a supranational armed forces; NATO. So we already are connected militarily with our European friends and a few extra ones as well. They want it because they're Power crazy, unelected, unremovable barm pots.....it just lends more proof to the views that we are being assymilated without a democratic say. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 5, 2015 12:07:59 GMT
I think this heralds the beginning of Germany's third attempt at world domination; even the European Commission President was named after a German dive bomber!
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Post by basingstokie on May 5, 2015 12:08:52 GMT
No, Nein, No, Nein, No, Nein and on into infinity.
There is simply no way.
Hate to sound all UKIP about this, but my grandparents voted for a single market, not single currency, laws imposed from Brussels, single army and (in all likelihood), single taxes in the future.
If this is the way forward then we need to have a national vote on whether we want to be a part of this.
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Post by Northy on May 5, 2015 16:50:41 GMT
Both David Cameron and Ed Miliband have insisted they will not sign Britain up to an EU army.There we go then. But don't let that stop an agenda |
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Post by ukcstokie on May 5, 2015 17:05:49 GMT
Both David Cameron and Ed Miliband have insisted they will not sign Britain up to an EU army.There we go then. And given - certainly Cameron's track record of delivering on promises that means what? |
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Post by Nick1984 on May 5, 2015 18:28:23 GMT
Every country in the EU is drastically cutting it's military budget, they'll sell the EU army to us as the only 'solution'.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 5:38:08 GMT
Not sure I understand the need for this when we already have a supranational armed forces; NATO. So we already are connected militarily with our European friends and a few extra ones as well. There's a need if you reflect on the bigger picture . The main priority is to keep us all tied together...handcuffed if you prefer . It also means more trade between member states . Lastly , it keeps a united front in the face of Soviet aggression . Basically , if the soviets shoot a 'Euro soldier ' then you incur the wrath of a number of countries . A dead Euro fighter represents a number of countries....if you follow my drift . I'm going to go all Starkiller here for a minute......The big wigs have now told us an EU army is on its way......only a few years ago they were denying this.......our armed forces have been slowly cut to the bone for many years.....drastically in the last and this government......and what about this one for an SK theory.......to encourage support for an EU army and get the EU sceptical public on side....we have hostilities with Russia ......we even have Russian bombers flying near UK airspace we will soon have Brussels telling us it would be a sensible thing to bring us all together to strengthen our hand ...A UNITED STATES OF EUROPE ARMED FORCES.........a fucking joke army i have become very sceptical of not only politicians, but the media too as big business are the real puppet masters |
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Post by salopstick on May 6, 2015 5:49:21 GMT
I worked alongside the Dutch and Italians in Bosnia 13 years ago so perhaps we already have it.
Can't see it happening really to much differences
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Post by slother on May 6, 2015 6:09:29 GMT
I think it's a good idea. United we stand, divided we fall. Cheaper to run. Much harder to drag an entire continent into pointless miserable wars. What's the negative?
Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards
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Post by salopstick on May 6, 2015 6:17:17 GMT
What's the negative? Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards Working with the French, Italians and Zee Germans |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 6:50:07 GMT
What's the negative? Sent from my Nexus 5 using proboards Working with the French, Italians and Zee Germans No.....working for them |
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Post by Northy on May 6, 2015 7:21:00 GMT
I worked alongside the Dutch and Italians in Bosnia 13 years ago so perhaps we already have it. Can't see it happening really to much differences One of the ships I was on was part of stanaforlant (standing naval force Atlantic) that worked very well, no French UK, yanks, canadians, norwegians, dutch (submarine), italians, portugese and a couple of other smaller europeans, no problems. Some people look for the problems in things before they even know the full proposals or the history and how it's worked for many years. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 7:48:42 GMT
I worked alongside the Dutch and Italians in Bosnia 13 years ago so perhaps we already have it. Can't see it happening really to much differences One of the ships I was on was part of stanaforlant (standing naval force Atlantic) that worked very well, no French UK, yanks, canadians, norwegians, dutch (submarine), italians, portugese and a couple of other smaller europeans, no problems. Some people look for the problems in things before they even know the full proposals or the history and how it's worked for many years. As you say, NATO works fine......why lose our sovereignty? |
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Post by ukcstokie on May 6, 2015 10:11:54 GMT
I worked alongside the Dutch and Italians in Bosnia 13 years ago so perhaps we already have it. Can't see it happening really to much differences One of the ships I was on was part of stanaforlant (standing naval force Atlantic) that worked very well, no French UK, yanks, canadians, norwegians, dutch (submarine), italians, portugese and a couple of other smaller europeans, no problems. Some people look for the problems in things before they even know the full proposals or the history and how it's worked for many years. NATO works fine doesn't it? So what happens when we're part of this and the Argentinians decide to make a land grab for the Falklands? Can you see Spanish, French and Italians supporting action? |
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Post by slother on May 6, 2015 10:17:51 GMT
One of the ships I was on was part of stanaforlant (standing naval force Atlantic) that worked very well, no French ;) UK, yanks, canadians, norwegians, dutch (submarine), italians, portugese and a couple of other smaller europeans, no problems. Some people look for the problems in things before they even know the full proposals or the history and how it's worked for many years. As you say, NATO works fine......why lose our sovereignty?   Two more images:   |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 11:26:31 GMT
As you say, NATO works fine......why lose our sovereignty? Two more images: Hang on, hang on  Is it a film?....no a play?  |
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Is it a film?....no a play? 
