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Post by RAF on May 3, 2015 20:09:02 GMT
Cant count the 3 goals against Chelsea since he wasnt on the pitch when the goals came. You can count the 3 Harry Kane pumped past him though( granted 1 was a penna) Incidentally the most goals (4) they have conceded in one game all season. H
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 3, 2015 20:14:10 GMT
These rose tinted Huth specs are catching. A bloke rang P ang G when we played Man U at home saying how we should drop Muniesa for Huth as he could handle RVP better than Muniesa. Disappointed with Matt Sandos for not realising that RVP had scored against us every time Huth had marked him. Of course that day RVP didn't score breaking a run of 8 games.
Time to move on. Is getting like the Fuller thing. Great players for us but life goes on.
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 3, 2015 20:22:56 GMT
I am really pissed off that we let Leicester have him and that he has been such a big factor in keeping them up. I only hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the arse. I fancy given a couple of seasons in the Prem Leicester very much have the capacity to become a top half side. I'd hate to see it happen. It was a school boy error letting him go, that much is not in doubt. Nothing to suggest hey will be a top half side in the future. Yes a great run but a season is over 38 games.
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Post by timbo1988 on May 3, 2015 20:26:36 GMT
The fact is, Huth has needed this run to get back to speed. He's looking solid now but would he have got up to speed and recovered as quick had we kept him? Is that a risk people were willing to take? This loan has done wonders for Huth and Leicester, maybe even Stoke. But it had to be done, I doubt he'd have recovered to his current level if he'd stayed here in Jan with the competition for places. Does Hughes see it like that though that's the question? as if he back to anything like the level he was before he needs to be back in the squad and team! I said at the time when he went out on loan that Hughes hadnt made his mind up as everyone who is out injured needs 15 games to get back up to speed! Odemwingie and Bojan will need time to get back after they are declared fully fit! I have said from the start if Fit Huth is as good as Shawcross! Look at their partnership and the season he scored a hatful of goals and he was the standout defender!
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Post by timbo1988 on May 3, 2015 20:28:19 GMT
The fact is, Huth has needed this run to get back to speed. He's looking solid now but would he have got up to speed and recovered as quick had we kept him? Is that a risk people were willing to take? This loan has done wonders for Huth and Leicester, maybe even Stoke. But it had to be done, I doubt he'd have recovered to his current level if he'd stayed here in Jan with the competition for places. This is all true and good points! You seem to have changed your mind on Huth though, is that because you thought he was finished but now see a future for him at Stoke? Hopefully Hughes has been taking note of his performances and will give him a chance in preseason!
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Post by passtheoatcakes on May 3, 2015 20:32:45 GMT
Yes he played Saturday and it was after he went off Leicester collapsed against Chelsea. I hope he plays in a stokeshirt next season because him and Shawcross is a top 3 cenrebackpairing in the league. Oh come on. Huth went off after 25 minutes the other night and Leicester played exceptionally well for the rest of the half, scoring right on half time. They most certainly didn't fall apart after he went off. I love The Berlin Wall as much as the next Stokie, but it wasn't his injury that cost Leicester defeat the other night. Sorry Dave they fell apart in the second half and Huth was well out of it by then. There can be no doubt that the main reason for Leicester's revival is not psycho Pearson but Huth's influence on their defence; gone from soft at the back to well hard at the back. Even Shearer said the same last week on MOTD.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 20:56:10 GMT
The fact is, Huth has needed this run to get back to speed. He's looking solid now but would he have got up to speed and recovered as quick had we kept him? Is that a risk people were willing to take? This loan has done wonders for Huth and Leicester, maybe even Stoke. But it had to be done, I doubt he'd have recovered to his current level if he'd stayed here in Jan with the competition for places. This is all true and good points! You seem to have changed your mind on Huth though, is that because you thought he was finished but now see a future for him at Stoke? Hopefully Hughes has been taking note of his performances and will give him a chance in preseason! I'm trying this new open minded approach for a while!
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Post by Davef on May 3, 2015 20:57:17 GMT
They didn't really fall apart.
Chelsea equalised a minute into the second half and didn't get the second decisive goal until ten minutes from the end. It was a decent effort by them against the best side in the country, not QPR or Newcastle.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 3, 2015 20:58:22 GMT
Why? I don't understand why we wouldn't bring him back. Seems like a no brainer. I'd like to see Huth back, but Hughsie doesn't seem to rate him so that could be that. Not so sure about that Billy. Huth went out on loan to get playing time because we had Muni and Ryan at the back with Wilson and Tex as back up. Unfortunately the first game after Huth had gone on loan Muni had the injury and it was too late to recall him. Think Les said this himself at the time. IMO getting Huth back will be akin to a new signing.
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 3, 2015 21:10:22 GMT
I think it's blatantly obvious that Hughes wants players at the back who are comfortable on the ball and can pass the thing. He didn't go for Muniesa for nothing. Wilkinson was doomed from day 1 as he simply is a stopper and nothing else and agreed with Hughes on that. We have seen massive strides in Shawcross since Hughes came in, even that first pre season as he started stroking the ball around. I personally don't think Huth will ever do that at this stage but we do need his presence as a player. I wonder if that Puyol has a young cousin with the heading ability of Huth and the passing of Maldini.
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Post by timbo1988 on May 3, 2015 22:01:56 GMT
This is all true and good points! You seem to have changed your mind on Huth though, is that because you thought he was finished but now see a future for him at Stoke? Hopefully Hughes has been taking note of his performances and will give him a chance in preseason! I'm trying this new open minded approach for a while! FairPlay! Hopefully Hughes will have a similar approach and look at him in preseason and if Huth isn't back to the level he was at then fair enough but at least he will have been given a chance! I think we would look a better side with real pace next to Shawcross and 2 new full backs but that is a lot of change all at once! So I would do the full backs this summer and have Huth, Muniesa and Wilson as the centre half options to play alongside Shawcross!
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Post by malteser68 on May 3, 2015 22:05:19 GMT
I'm trying this new open minded approach for a while! FairPlay! Hopefully Hughes will have a similar approach and look at him in preseason and if Huth isn't back to the level he was at then fair enough but at least he will have been given a chance! I think we would look a better side with real pace next to Shawcross and 2 new full backs but that is a lot of change all at once! So I would do the full backs this summer and have Huth, Muniesa and Wilson as the centre half options to play alongside Shawcross! as long as wolly is returned to sender
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2015 22:07:23 GMT
Huth is better than Wollscheid.
By some distance.
If the latter stays and the former leaves the manager has made an idiotic decision.
Bowen said we need someone like Huth the other day in the paper, I wonder how we could do that?
Save the 3m on Wollscheid put it towards a very good right back and bring back Huth. Happy days!
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Post by timbo1988 on May 3, 2015 22:13:52 GMT
FairPlay! Hopefully Hughes will have a similar approach and look at him in preseason and if Huth isn't back to the level he was at then fair enough but at least he will have been given a chance! I think we would look a better side with real pace next to Shawcross and 2 new full backs but that is a lot of change all at once! So I would do the full backs this summer and have Huth, Muniesa and Wilson as the centre half options to play alongside Shawcross! as long as wolly is returned to sender Yes and this! He is too slow for the league and isn't strong enough!
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Post by RAF on May 3, 2015 22:16:36 GMT
as long as wolly is returned to sender Yes and this! He is too slow for the league and isn't strong enough! Yep, and I remember in Drogba's first year in the Prem Chelsea fans crying about how fucking wank he was. It does sometimes take a while to kick in! H
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Post by timbo1988 on May 3, 2015 22:21:21 GMT
Yes and this! He is too slow for the league and isn't strong enough! Yep, and I remember in Drogba's first year in the Prem Chelsea fans crying about how fucking wank he was. It does sometimes take a while to kick in! H Or look at someone like Lamela who in 2 seasons has never performed in this country! Drogba has always had the physical attributes of power, pace, aerial ability to succeed in England! Wollscheid has none of these and has had 4 very shaky games when against pace! I am not convinced he is defensively sound enough to ever settle in England
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2015 22:22:27 GMT
Yes and this! He is too slow for the league and isn't strong enough! Yep, and I remember in Drogba's first year in the Prem Chelsea fans crying about how fucking wank he was. It does sometimes take a while to kick in! H He's 25 and pretty experienced at a good level albeit not in this country, how weak he is for his size really worries me. Combined with his attitude it's a bad combination.
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Post by djduncanjames on May 3, 2015 22:34:48 GMT
He's gotta come back to Stoke lads, insane if we sold him, even PC would agree surely.
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Post by Billybigbollox on May 3, 2015 22:41:20 GMT
I'd like to see Huth back, but Hughsie doesn't seem to rate him so that could be that. Not so sure about that Billy. Huth went out on loan to get playing time because we had Muni and Ryan at the back with Wilson and Tex as back up. Unfortunately the first game after Huth had gone on loan Muni had the injury and it was too late to recall him. Think Les said this himself at the time. IMO getting Huth back will be akin to a new signing. I hope he comes back to Stoke even as a squad player he would improve us.
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 3, 2015 23:01:10 GMT
If Huth comes back Ryan gets dropped, it looks like there is only room for one of that type of player and Huth is better,
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Post by themistocles on May 3, 2015 23:29:22 GMT
If Huth comes back Ryan gets dropped, it looks like there is only room for one of that type of player and Huth is better, Why is that the case though ? Proven partnership who conceded few and chiped in with a few goals. Play them both , pick IP a Dm who can take the ball from our box forward ... Its not like Wilson or wolf do that now
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 4, 2015 1:26:45 GMT
If Huth comes back Ryan gets dropped, it looks like there is only room for one of that type of player and Huth is better, He isn't though
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Post by StokieAsh13 on May 4, 2015 1:45:06 GMT
Id see Huth come back but would he be happy not playing regularly when he has other opportunities?
As for Wollschied, if Hughes see's him as a better option to Muniesa I'll be shocked. 3 million could be spent better on a new RB.
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Post by taytotheimpailer on May 4, 2015 1:58:48 GMT
Yes and this! He is too slow for the league and isn't strong enough! Yep, and I remember in Drogba's first year in the Prem Chelsea fans crying about how fucking wank he was. It does sometimes take a while to kick in! H Those blind Chelsea fans who lived in a cave on the moon? Had a real good return in his first season and also had an injury and pretty sure they won two trophies. Didn't do bad at all
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Post by crapslinger on May 4, 2015 7:20:46 GMT
Yep, and I remember in Drogba's first year in the Prem Chelsea fans crying about how fucking wank he was. It does sometimes take a while to kick in! H He's 25 and pretty experienced at a good level albeit not in this country, how weak he is for his size really worries me. Combined with his attitude it's a bad combination. He is a liability compared to Huth, slow weak mard arsed physically and mentally not in the same league, get shut get Huth back with Ryan it is decent fullbacks we need.
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Post by clarkeda on May 4, 2015 7:25:38 GMT
Jury is out for me, when you have the advantage stance on Conor Whickem and he puts you on the deck, questions need asking.
Edit- on about Wolly not Huth, I'm all for bringing Huth back.
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Post by Davef on May 4, 2015 7:58:03 GMT
If Huth comes back Ryan gets dropped, it looks like there is only room for one of that type of player and Huth is better, He isn't though Don't pay any attention to what this clown says.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 4, 2015 8:08:56 GMT
The manager has got this one very, very, wrong. Not a lot you can do about it though when he's got so much other stuff right. Every manager, even the really good ones, have moments that leave you shaking your head and chuntering 'what the fuck are you thinking' to yourself..........and this is definitely a 'what the fuck are you thinking' moment.
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Post by Davef on May 4, 2015 8:17:16 GMT
The manager has got this one very, very, wrong. Not a lot you can do about it though when he's got so much other stuff right. Every manager, even the really good ones, have moments that leave you shaking your head and chuntering 'what the fuck are you thinking' to yourself..........and this is definitely a 'what the fuck are you thinking' moment. That all depends on what happens over the summer in my view. He sent Huth out for games which he wasn't getting at Stoke. He looked well dodgy against Wrexham and with Shawcross and Muniesa looking pretty solid it was clear that Huth wasn't really going to get much of a look in. The injury situation and the subsequent form of Wollscheid had obviously made that decision look ropey, but if we're going to take Hughes at face value then the decision can only be evaluated come the start of next season. If Huth is back at the club and is a major part of our first team squad then the decision will have been a good one. If he's out of the door permanently and Wollscheid is his replacement, well...
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Post by trigger on May 4, 2015 8:25:45 GMT
I really don't think Huth has a future at Stoke with Hughes preferring a more mobile, passing CH.
Pity really that Wolly has blown his chances over the past few weeks of getting a long term contract as he's shown in several matches he's certainly got the ability.
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