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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 2, 2015 16:01:59 GMT
Keep Shawcross,Muniesa and Bardsley[not fussed either way] Get rid of Wolly,Wilson and Pieters all not good enough imo. Get Huth back PRIORITY Sign 2 Defenders one decent centre half and one full back. This is not a reaction from today either these are my thoughts over the season
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:03:03 GMT
Keep Shawcross,Muniesa and Bardsley[not fussed either way] Get rid of Wolly,Wilson and Pieters all not good enough imo. Get Huth back PRIORITY Sign 2 Defenders one decent centre half and one full back. This is not a reaction from today either these are my thoughts over the season Hahahaha need a better RB than a Blunderland cast off.
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Post by Gods on May 2, 2015 16:04:43 GMT
I'm confused it's normally Bardlsey that gets it in the neck on here not Pieters.
Have you got those two the right way around in your mass exit plan?
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 2, 2015 16:05:47 GMT
Keep Shawcross,Muniesa and Bardsley[not fussed either way] Get rid of Wolly,Wilson and Pieters all not good enough imo. Get Huth back PRIORITY Sign 2 Defenders one decent centre half and one full back. This is not a reaction from today either these are my thoughts over the season Hahahaha need a better RB than a Blunderland cast off. He's under contract but like i said not fussed either way. Also forgot about Cameron who is also not good enough as a full back so unless we try him again in midfield i'd ship him out also if we are to improve defensively next season
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 2, 2015 16:06:08 GMT
Reckon you're bang on, Mutts.
Ryan, Huth and Muni have to be our main three centre backs next season.
Full back has been a weakness for too long and plays a huge part in the soft goals we give away.
We don't stop crosses and other than Ryan (now Huthy isn't here) we don't win headers in the box.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 2, 2015 16:06:44 GMT
I'm confused it's normally Bardlsey that gets it in the neck on here not Pieters. Have you got those two the right way around in your mass exit plan? Yes mate if we are to progress we need better defenders.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 2, 2015 16:08:44 GMT
How can they not be good enough if we finish with 50+ points and a top half finish again?
Pieter's was really poor for their opening goal but he rarely lets us down. Wilson had a decent enough game up to being sent off.
We were crap today, from first minute to last and deservedly left with nothing.
However, rather than go on a witch hunt for every player in our team, none of which are beyond criticism on their performance today with the possible exception of Ryan, my overriding observation is that we are currently looking a very tired outfit.
I said it after the Southampton game, we ran out of legs v Sunderland and our legs never seemed to get going today.
We need to eek out those final 4 points that will see us eclipse last season and given the injuries we've endured, it will mark another good season from our boys.
Is a witch hunt really necessary? We played poorly AS A TEAM and deservedly lost.
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Post by tomsviews on May 2, 2015 16:09:18 GMT
Why on earth would anyone want to get rid of Pieters? he has been largely excellent since signing. Ok he was poor for the goal, but there is no way we should be even considering selling him imo and it would be pure stupidity to even consider it.
A back four of Bardsley - Shawcross - Muniesa - Pieters is a decent line up, although I would prefer another right back to be brought in during the summmer.
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Post by flinteastwood on May 2, 2015 16:11:11 GMT
Pieters is good enough but I agree on wolly, Wilson, bardsley and Cameron. we need an over haul this summer. but who could we get in?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 2, 2015 16:12:22 GMT
How can they not be good enough if we finish with 50+ points and a top half finish again? Pieter's was really poor for their opening goal but he rarely lets us down. Wilson had a decent enough game up to being sent off. We were crap today, from first minute to last and deservedly left with nothing. However, rather than go on a witch hunt for every player in our team, none of which are beyond criticism on their performance today with the possible exception of Ryan, my overriding observation is that we are currently looking a very tired outfit. I said it after the Southampton game, we ran out of legs v Sunderland and our legs never seemed to get going today. We need to eek out those final 4 points that will see us eclipse last season and given the injuries we've endured, it will mark another good season from our boys. Is a witch hunt really necessary? We played poorly AS A TEAM and deservedly lost. Without a doubt we are running out of steam given all the injuries. Stupid mistakes have been as much a pivotal part of the campaign though in my opinion. Other than Ryan the rest of the back five have held us back this term.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 2, 2015 16:12:41 GMT
How can they not be good enough if we finish with 50+ points and a top half finish again? Pieter's was really poor for their opening goal but he rarely lets us down. Wilson had a decent enough game up to being sent off. We were crap today, from first minute to last and deservedly left with nothing. However, rather than go on a witch hunt for every player in our team, none of which are beyond criticism on their performance today with the possible exception of Ryan, my overriding observation is that we are currently looking a very tired outfit. I said it after the Southampton game, we ran out of legs v Sunderland and our legs never seemed to get going today. We need to eek out those final 4 points that will see us eclipse last season and given the injuries we've endured, it will mark another good season from our boys. Is a witch hunt really necessary? We played poorly AS A TEAM and deservedly lost. No which hunt dave just MY opinion and thats what we do on here[just like yoursen] give our views.If you can't live with that then so be it.We've had a fantastic season and i'm delighted with the manager and most of the players BUT if we want to improve we need to get better defenders in.
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Post by obhstokie on May 2, 2015 16:13:09 GMT
A new RB is a must for the summer, but Shawcross Muniesa and Pieters are all good defenders to have.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 2, 2015 16:14:00 GMT
I think Hughes has already made the correct decision that Bardsley is not good enough. His hand was forced today.
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Post by stokeoptimist on May 2, 2015 16:16:16 GMT
Keep Shawcross,Muniesa and Bardsley[not fussed either way] Get rid of Wolly,Wilson and Pieters all not good enough imo. Get Huth back PRIORITY Sign 2 Defenders one decent centre half and one full back. This is not a reaction from today either these are my thoughts over the season Completely Disagree! We need Wingers, wide men or whatever they are called nowadays as we don't have any!!
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 2, 2015 16:18:21 GMT
Keep Shawcross,Muniesa and Bardsley[not fussed either way] Get rid of Wolly,Wilson and Pieters all not good enough imo. Get Huth back PRIORITY Sign 2 Defenders one decent centre half and one full back. This is not a reaction from today either these are my thoughts over the season Completely Disagree! We need Wingers, wide men or whatever they are called nowadays as we don't have any!! Fair enough we're all entitled to our opinions.
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Post by iglugluk on May 2, 2015 16:30:48 GMT
I don't agree about Pieters ( at all in fact!! ) so for me it's keep Pieters, Shawcross amd Muniesa........+ personally I'd get Huth back. More importantly though we need to create more openings and score more goals.
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:33:19 GMT
I think Hughes has already made the correct decision that Bardsley is not good enough. His hand was forced today. When we started to see Cameron again it was clear.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 2, 2015 16:36:36 GMT
I think Hughes has already made the correct decision that Bardsley is not good enough. His hand was forced today. When we started to see Cameron again it was clear. I think there's a high probability that neither will start next season. Hughes just doesn't rate Cameron at all and Bardsley has made a couple of very costly errors now. I think they've both played their way out of the XI for the new campaign.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2015 16:40:39 GMT
A right back with Muni starting most games with Huth as back will sort us out.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on May 2, 2015 16:40:40 GMT
Hughes "didn't stop the ball going in the box Again" for the 1st goal.
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:42:08 GMT
When we started to see Cameron again it was clear. I think there's a high probability that neither will start next season. Hughes just doesn't rate Cameron at all and Bardsley has made a couple of very costly errors now. I think they've both played their way out of the XI for the new campaign. Surely he does. As he does Bardsley. But they aren't his ultimate goal. For the money I think if we put them up for sale along with Wilson as they'll get offers easily and possibly be sold for more expensive players coming in.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 16:44:19 GMT
We have a bit of a problem here. Big question marks over Ryan's long term fitness, Wilson bordering on not good enough and Muniesa is picking up niggle after niggle.
If Ryan needs an op then take him out the side now and get it done to get him straight for next year where we will need him 100% fit.
If we carry him on as he is then it is one hell of a risk.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 2, 2015 16:46:35 GMT
If Huth is fit as it seems he is , he is quite a distance better than anyone who has played there since he got injured .
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Post by Roy Cropper on May 2, 2015 16:46:45 GMT
I like Erik, completely agree with the rest though.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 2, 2015 16:46:50 GMT
I think there's a high probability that neither will start next season. Hughes just doesn't rate Cameron at all and Bardsley has made a couple of very costly errors now. I think they've both played their way out of the XI for the new campaign. Surely he does. As he does Bardsley. But they aren't his ultimate goal. For the money I think if we put them up for sale along with Wilson as they'll get offers easily and possibly be sold for more expensive players coming in. I can't imagine you'd get more than £6m for the three of them and that's being generous.
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:48:43 GMT
Surely he does. As he does Bardsley. But they aren't his ultimate goal. For the money I think if we put them up for sale along with Wilson as they'll get offers easily and possibly be sold for more expensive players coming in. I can't imagine you'd get more than £6m for the three off them and that's being generous. I'd say somewhere from £6 - £7.5 just need to find a daft enough club coming up to go in for them.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on May 2, 2015 16:49:05 GMT
Wilson is ok as a squad man as can play everywhere across the back.
I would sign Huth up on a long contract and pair him with Muniesa.
I would be very tempted to cash in on Shawcross right now if there are any suitors. He has not looked right since he came back and I fear he wont get back to his pre injury levels. 12m and I would sell him.
Wokfshit needs to go, he reminds me of Stephen tweed, dreadful player.
Pieters should stay.
Cameron can stay as a squad man also.
Beardsley needs to go.
Then ideally we would be looking at a new right back and potentially a back up cenrehalf.
We should sell butland and begovic if he won't sign and get an experienced middle of the road keeper. pantillon would be decent or a krul or a Kaspersky schmeivhel. Cheap and will do a good job.
Midfield we have big issues
Whelan legs look to have gone Adam is probably off? Nzonzi is probably off? Ireland I suspect is on his last legs
Leaves us with Bojan? Need two big players here. Not sure where we would get them either. Barca reserves?
Basically we want Schneidelin but he is obviously not going to come
Up front we need one rock the city winger and I think we are goold
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Post by stokiejoe on May 2, 2015 16:49:16 GMT
A settled defence will certainly need to be a priority. Injuries haven't helped but we have chopped and changed all season. We have been at our best defensively when we have had a settled back four who are used to playing together.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 2, 2015 16:51:26 GMT
Think everybody is probably in agreement that, in hind sight given the injury to Muni, was a mistake to let Robert go on loan. But at the time we seemed ok for central defence so it was a good move to allow him to go and get some game time after the injury. Now we cannot let him go permanently and he will be like a new signing coming back into the fold.
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Post by stokemanusa on May 2, 2015 16:51:32 GMT
Wilson is ok as a squad man as can play everywhere across the back. I would sign Huth up on a long contract and pair him with Muniesa. I would be very tempted to cash in on Shawcross right now if there are any suitors. He has not looked right since he came back and I fear he wont get back to his pre injury levels. 12m and I would sell him. Wokfshit needs to go, he reminds me of Stephen tweed, dreadful player. Pieters should stay. Cameron can stay as a squad man also. Beardsley needs to go. Then ideally we would be looking at a new right back and potentially a back up cenrehalf. We should sell butland and begovic if he won't sign and get an experienced middle of the road keeper. pantillon would be decent or a krul or a Kaspersky schmeivhel. Cheap and will do a good job. Midfield we have big issues Whelan legs look to have gone Adam is probably off? Nzonzi is probably off? Ireland I suspect is on his last legs Leaves us with Bojan? Need two big players here. Not sure where we would get them either. Barca reserves? Basically we want Schneidelin but he is obviously not going to come Up front we need one rock the city winger and I think we are goold Don't know where to begin on this but... Contracts would be a huge problem and then we'd have huge holes and a bunch of freed up wages. This is to drastic for just one summer.
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