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Post by Milkie on Apr 27, 2015 19:34:08 GMT
Which of today's crop of super star footballers would live with the rough and tumble and heavy pitches of the 60/70s? Would fabregas, hazard, mata, Sanchez, et all still be able to weave their Magic on a rain soaked night at the vic with blood and smith legitimately kicking lumps out of them? Would they cope with no protection from the referees, no sympathy for the divers and ankle deep in mud?? Would some of the water carriers of the modern era thrive in the 70's , Jonny Walters, lee cattermole etc, what would be your 70's team selected from modern players??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 19:43:17 GMT
I think they'd probably revel in it tbh.
They'd be tougher because they'd have to be and I think Fabregas, Hazard and Sanchez are sly little feckers anyway, they'd love it.
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Post by pretzel on Apr 27, 2015 19:48:01 GMT
I think Charlie and Waddo would have got on real well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 19:49:49 GMT
Terry and Shawcross at Centre Half, Fellaini at Centre Mid and (if fit) Andy Carroll up front.
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Post by march4 on Apr 27, 2015 20:12:20 GMT
Imagine Huthy in the 70's!
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Post by bolders on Apr 27, 2015 20:29:46 GMT
Walters
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Post by Milkie on Apr 27, 2015 20:33:51 GMT
Would loved to have seen the reaction to somebody like Ashley Young throwing himself over pejics leg to win a penalty, he wouldn't get into the penalty area again by hook or crook !!
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Post by kustokie on Apr 27, 2015 20:38:00 GMT
To be fair they weren't all all like Smithy and Bloor. Terry Conroy had (and probably still does have) spindly little twigs for legs and George Eastham was very light-weight. But they were very quick and knew how to jump over lunging tackles. One thing that's has always interested me is the difference between the image of Arsenal of the 60s/70s and the Arsenal of today. The present day Arsenal has a reputation for playing attractive football, which is quite the opposite of their predecesors who were dirty clods. The captain Ian Ure was well-known for being totally unable to play football, just kicked the shit out of everybody. Peter Storey went to prison for (I think) pimping while still "playing". This style and the unfortunate semi-finals are the main reasons why Arsenal are so despised by us oldies. My nephews who live in London don't get it all. Stoke on the other hand was known for its stylish play (Conroy, Hudson, Dobing, Greenhoff, Eastam, Mahoney, etc.) but the defence was hard as nails (Setters, Smith, Bloor, Dod, Pejik, Marsh etc.). How times have changed!
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Post by Milkie on Apr 27, 2015 20:56:19 GMT
I think the biggest issue would be the mentality, the " he had a right to go down mentality" would be scuppered by the standards of challenge that was deemed legal in those days. As others have pointed out, some would overcome and adapt, however, I am quite sure some of these superstars would be found wanting, mainly due to attitude
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Post by kustokie on Apr 27, 2015 20:57:41 GMT
No nonsence players like Shawcross, Huth, Adam, Pieters, Arnie and Waters would fit right in. Bojan's a bit like Eastham or Ozzie Ardilles and would figure it out. Woolly on the other hand would be totally lost.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2015 21:02:16 GMT
Moses would struggle too. Arnie would be a alcoholic.  |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 27, 2015 21:20:05 GMT
Imagine Huthy in the 70's! Imagine the carnage lol |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 21:36:41 GMT
I would love to see Arjen Robben being kicked all over the pitch,just to give the horrible,diving,cheating prick something to really cry about.
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Post by march4 on Apr 27, 2015 22:01:41 GMT
These were the days when any opponent who had the temerity to nutmeg you or flick the ball over your head wouldn't walk off the pitch and would probably be dealt with by his own team as much as the opposition.
Throwing a player in the paddock (Pej, Ritchie were experts) got you a yellow card. Knocking opponents unconscious (Denis was good at this) didn't even warrent a foul. Trying to break someone's leg in the first 10 mins was classed as a 'leveller' and would sometimes be given as a foul. Hacking at someone could be a foul especially if contact was made above the knee. And keepers regularly got their heads kicked in (often by their own defenders).
George Eastham was beaten up so much in a game at Leeds he tried to be substituted. He even asked other Stoke players to negotiate on his behalf. He was told by management and colleagues to get on with the game and stop moaning.
Football was a bit like the MAD policy of nuclear war. Every team had a cyclepath or two and if you kept your nutters under control the opposition would do likewise. The fun started when this truce was abandoned.
Oh and refs often started the game with the instruction that the only rule was no back chat. If the teams wanted to kick lumps out of each other then so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 22:58:38 GMT
None of them would last a day. It used to snow then and I mean 6ft deep snow not an inch, still they played with an orange ball and mud lots and lots of mud, If you have never headed a casey football covered in mud you don't know what a temporary loss of consciousness is players used to duck out of the way, not to mention the embedded lace pattern on your forehead for the rest of the day. 12 metal studs down your shin on a cold wet windy pitch played havoc with your Northern Soul dancing later that night along with a magic sponge around the groin when some loving defender aimed one carefully in your nuts from behind.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 28, 2015 0:03:28 GMT
None of them would last a day. It used to snow then and I mean 6ft deep snow not an inch, still they played with an orange ball and mud lots and lots of mud, If you have never headed a casey football covered in mud you don't know what a temporary loss of consciousness is players used to duck out of the way, not to mention the embedded lace pattern on your forehead for the rest of the day. 12 metal studs down your shin on a cold wet windy pitch played havoc with your Northern Soul dancing later that night along with a magic sponge around the groin when some loving defender aimed one carefully in your nuts from behind. This clip between Stoke and Citeh reminded me that diving in the box is not a modern phenomenon. Francis Lee (Citeh striker) holds the record for most penalties scored in a season. He was a notorious diver - one instance resulted in a fight with Norman "bites yer legs" Hunter of Leeds United. Norm was as hard if not harder than Smithy, and kept Dennis out of the England side. Other oldies can certainly come up with other infamous divers. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 28, 2015 0:25:28 GMT
These were the days when any opponent who had the temerity to nutmeg you or flick the ball over your head wouldn't walk off the pitch and would probably be dealt with by his own team as much as the opposition. Throwing a player in the paddock (Pej, Ritchie were experts) got you a yellow card. Knocking opponents unconscious (Denis was good at this) didn't even warrent a foul. Trying to break someone's leg in the first 10 mins was classed as a 'leveller' and would sometimes be given as a foul. Hacking at someone could be a foul especially if contact was made above the knee. And keepers regularly got their heads kicked in (often by their own defenders). George Eastham was beaten up so much in a game at Leeds he tried to be substituted. He even asked other Stoke players to negotiate on his behalf. He was told by management and colleagues to get on with the game and stop moaning. Football was a bit like the MAD policy of nuclear war. Every team had a cyclepath or two and if you kept your nutters under control the opposition would do likewise. The fun started when this truce was abandoned. Oh and refs often started the game with the instruction that the only rule was no back chat. If the teams wanted to kick lumps out of each other then so be it. And you yearn for that? A load of blokes kicking shit out of each other. March4, you don't like football do you? |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 28, 2015 4:51:40 GMT
None of them would last a day. It used to snow then and I mean 6ft deep snow not an inch, still they played with an orange ball and mud lots and lots of mud, If you have never headed a casey football covered in mud you don't know what a temporary loss of consciousness is players used to duck out of the way, not to mention the embedded lace pattern on your forehead for the rest of the day. 12 metal studs down your shin on a cold wet windy pitch played havoc with your Northern Soul dancing later that night along with a magic sponge around the groin when some loving defender aimed one carefully in your nuts from behind. Wow love the clips of huddy there what a genius he was , cheers |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 28, 2015 5:44:22 GMT
Football had that magic quality of character in the 70's - loads of skill mixed with some basic graft. Main difference was that it was played at a slightly more 'sedate' pace and none the worse for that! Player who might shine back then - step forward Charles Adam.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 28, 2015 6:25:51 GMT
In 71-72 Stoke played 71 competetive games in all competiions, many on pitches like that and with a squad of 25 players many playing over 60 games. Jackie Marsh played 69 games.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 28, 2015 9:42:21 GMT
Imagine Huthy in the 70's! Eddy Clamp2 |
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Post by slother on Apr 28, 2015 9:45:53 GMT
Imagine Huthy in the 70's!  |
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Post by kentpotter on Apr 28, 2015 11:03:18 GMT
[/quote]This clip between Stoke and Citeh reminded me that diving in the box is not a modern phenomenon. Francis Lee (Citeh striker) holds the record for most penalties scored in a season. He was a notorious diver - one instance resulted in a fight with Norman "bites yer legs" Hunter of Leeds United. Norm was as hard if not harder than Smithy, and kept Dennis out of the England side. Other oldies can certainly come up with other infamous divers.[/quote]
I was once told by a certain Stoke defender that Francis Lee never won a penalty at the Victoria Ground? The reason being, the story I was told goes, that a certain Stoke defender of the time promised Lee that if he dived in the box for a penalty, said defender would tread on his head.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2015 12:14:10 GMT
None of them would last a day. It used to snow then and I mean 6ft deep snow not an inch, still they played with an orange ball and mud lots and lots of mud, If you have never headed a casey football covered in mud you don't know what a temporary loss of consciousness is players used to duck out of the way, not to mention the embedded lace pattern on your forehead for the rest of the day. 12 metal studs down your shin on a cold wet windy pitch played havoc with your Northern Soul dancing later that night along with a magic sponge around the groin when some loving defender aimed one carefully in your nuts from behind. Wow love the clips of huddy there what a genius he was , cheers Was just about to say the same thing. The way he glides with the ball on such an awful pitch is incredible. Imagine him running on a smooth pitch they have now, he'd take the fucking piss out of everyone lol. |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 28, 2015 12:16:28 GMT
Wow love the clips of huddy there what a genius he was , cheers Was just about to say the same thing. The way he glides with the ball on such an awful pitch is incredible. Imagine him running on a smooth pitch they have now, he'd take the fucking piss out of everyone lol. Exactly. He has a bit of the Bojan about him , makes it look effortless |
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Post by kustokie on Apr 28, 2015 12:48:05 GMT
This clip between Stoke and Citeh reminded me that diving in the box is not a modern phenomenon. Francis Lee (Citeh striker) holds the record for most penalties scored in a season. He was a notorious diver - one instance resulted in a fight with Norman "bites yer legs" Hunter of Leeds United. Norm was as hard if not harder than Smithy, and kept Dennis out of the England side. Other oldies can certainly come up with other infamous divers.[/quote] I was once told by a certain Stoke defender that Francis Lee never won a penalty at the Victoria Ground? The reason being, the story I was told goes, that a certain Stoke defender of the time promised Lee that if he dived in the box for a penalty, said defender would tread on his head.[/quote] I am guessing Pejic or Smithy? |
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Post by kentpotter on Apr 28, 2015 12:55:24 GMT
This clip between Stoke and Citeh reminded me that diving in the box is not a modern phenomenon. Francis Lee (Citeh striker) holds the record for most penalties scored in a season. He was a notorious diver - one instance resulted in a fight with Norman "bites yer legs" Hunter of Leeds United. Norm was as hard if not harder than Smithy, and kept Dennis out of the England side. Other oldies can certainly come up with other infamous divers. I was once told by a certain Stoke defender that Francis Lee never won a penalty at the Victoria Ground? The reason being, the story I was told goes, that a certain Stoke defender of the time promised Lee that if he dived in the box for a penalty, said defender would tread on his head.[/quote] I am guessing Pejic or Smithy?[/quote] Yep, Dennis, straight from the great man's own mouth too  |
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