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Post by cozmick on Apr 26, 2015 15:27:43 GMT
Gotta be the biggest dick move in football.
How can it be governed? there's contact, how can the ref deem it intentional?
Based on seeing Fabregas booked for it, wrong decision for me.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 26, 2015 15:29:03 GMT
Would have been harsh penalty but definitely no booking.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 26, 2015 15:30:33 GMT
Minefield.
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 26, 2015 15:31:16 GMT
Gotta be the biggest dick move in football. How can it be governed? there's contact, how can the ref deem it intentional? Based on seeing Fabregas booked for it, wrong decision for me. Cattermole is expert in this area,as we witnessed yesterday.What a snide,cowardly cunt he is. I would hate him to sign for us more than Wollschild. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 26, 2015 15:38:36 GMT
Automatic red. Any doubt given to the defender on every occasion.
That would sort it out.
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Post by j3st3r on Apr 26, 2015 16:49:57 GMT
Only thing worse than leaving a trailing leg is the totally unnatural moving your leg out to the side to get contact... seen a few of these in the last couple of months...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 26, 2015 17:51:35 GMT
Gotta be the biggest dick move in football. How can it be governed? there's contact, how can the ref deem it intentional? Based on seeing Fabregas booked for it, wrong decision for me. Mick I agree with you 100% on this. For me it is ruining the game, part of the whole "He got touched so he is entitled to go down" policy. As with any 'game' once the participants main aim is to win by cheating it becomes pointless and the particular aspect you point out is a main element. Similarly stopping play when a player goes down injured is also being used to cheat. I think that we have got to the stage where there has to be more scrutiny , even retrospectively using technology, and bold decisions taken by the powers that be. If not football may as well become the equivalent to WWW wrestling, everyone knows it isn't for real but pretend that it is. |
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Apr 26, 2015 17:59:29 GMT
For me, it's a deliberate action to deceive the referee - therefore unsporting conduct and a yellow card.
Fabregas' was a more difficult decision in that he hadn't deliberately left his leg there.
Just because there is contact in the box, doesn't automatically mean a penalty. No penalty being given doesn't automatically equal a yellow card...
It's a difficult concept that fans, pros and ex-pros find difficult to grasp. Even some officials struggle with it - and that's why there is inconsistency in the decision making process. This is why referee panels after the game need to look at 'dives' and retrospectively introduce match bans.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Apr 26, 2015 19:01:04 GMT
I thought the ref was right to book him. There was contact on his leg but was it enough to hinder his run? no. Was it enough to force him to the floor? no. Therefore it was still a dive. He could have carried on like the defender wasn't there.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 26, 2015 22:46:58 GMT
How many of you on here slagging off Fabregas defended Moses vs Swansea?
I thought it was a booking, the ref got it spot on.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 23:01:08 GMT
Players must practice it,so why aren`t managers putting a stop to it?
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Post by BuzzB on Apr 26, 2015 23:12:11 GMT
For me its full on cheating and its getting more and more into our game. I was watching MOTD2 earlier, the game as we knew it in the 60's-90's has gone and it turns my stomach at times.
A defender daren't go anywhere near and its criminal.
Dive, simulate,cheat to get a penalty or free kick, that is not our beloved game.
I sometimes think its me living in the past but if this is the way the game is going you can stick it where the sun dunner shine, and when Arse have the balls to sing boring boring Chelsea you know its all over!!
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Post by TheBra1n on Apr 26, 2015 23:40:47 GMT
Only thing worse than leaving a trailing leg is the totally unnatural moving your leg out to the side to get contact... seen a few of these in the last couple of months... i agree and i think it was ashley young that invented that one 3 years ago |
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Post by Northy on Apr 27, 2015 1:23:58 GMT
Only thing worse than leaving a trailing leg is the totally unnatural moving your leg out to the side to get contact... seen a few of these in the last couple of months... i agree and i think it was ashley young that invented that one 3 years ago Pires at Arsenal did it many years ago at Highbury, against Portsmouth I think it was. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 27, 2015 1:42:19 GMT
Best ever was Damien Duff v Spain in the 2002 World cup.
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Post by j3st3r on Apr 27, 2015 3:51:01 GMT
Its a sad reflection of the game today fuelled by ex pros condoning cheating and ridiculous statements that somehow are now commonplace in the game like "entitled to go down"... which by its very definition suggests a player is making a conscious decision to hit the deck...
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Post by adamsson on Apr 27, 2015 5:30:56 GMT
How many of you on here slagging off Fabregas defended Moses vs Swansea? I thought it was a booking, the ref got it spot on. I know that twat Monk moaned about it but the fact is Rangel had a firm hold of his shirt and was pulling Moses back. IT WAS A PENALTY. |
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 27, 2015 5:34:51 GMT
Where do you draw the line though?
Is drawing a foul seen as cheating? Most pros do this at a certain time of game Charlie Adam does it near the end of games when we are winning. Is it clever play or cheating?
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Post by mosquito on Apr 27, 2015 6:09:50 GMT
Where do you draw the line though? Is drawing a foul seen as cheating? Most pros do this at a certain time of game Charlie Adam does it near the end of games when we are winning. Is it clever play or cheating? Buying a cheap foul to break up the play late in a game, is frustrating for the opposition who are chasing the game. These do not directly effect the game like a penalty or a sending off can. But diving, dragging your leg to make sure of contact, or your legs giving way because a hand touch your shoulder (very unnatural response) or rolling round like your in serious pain to get a player a yellow or red card is unsporting conduct/cheating imo! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 6:34:08 GMT
Been going on for years.I remember Bangoura doing it for us to earn a penalty in a televised match
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Post by mosquito on Apr 27, 2015 7:09:18 GMT
Jürgen Klinsmann was one of the first I remember, who seem to take it to another level
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Post by metalhead on Apr 27, 2015 9:25:53 GMT
i agree and i think it was ashley young that invented that one 3 years ago Pires at Arsenal did it many years ago at Highbury, against Portsmouth I think it was. Pires was a horrible diver. |
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Post by obhstokie on Apr 27, 2015 11:49:04 GMT
Yellow card for me, if you can run past someone to get the ball then you move your leg sideways then it's cheating in my opinion. I think it was Herera(?) who did it for Manu against Chelsea last week, it's trying to con the ref so unsporting behavior for me.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 27, 2015 11:54:21 GMT
My first reaction was that it was a penalty and I thought it was when I watched the replay.
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