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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 19:36:29 GMT
It was a horrid 10 minutes. The stuff of nightmares. But it worries me that it could wipe out 4 months of good performances from fans minds, especially considering none of them led to goals today (thankfully). It was more than 10 minutes and he's had more dodgy games than good ones. He's had far more good games than bad.
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Post by timbo1988 on Apr 25, 2015 19:39:14 GMT
It was more than 10 minutes and he's had more dodgy games than good ones. He's had far more good games than bad. He was poor in the first half when missing the ball led to Defoe through on goal. I can name 3 or 4 games where he has been very poor! Man City at Home, Blackburn away are 2 which stand out as very poor along with today. He is too slow, too weak, poor positionally. His passing which is meant to be a strength is no better than Wilsons!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 25, 2015 19:39:24 GMT
It was more than 10 minutes and he's had more dodgy games than good ones. He's had far more good games than bad. Would you play him before Wilson or Muniesa?
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 25, 2015 19:41:00 GMT
Yes but he had a 10 minute span that was truly awful where they had several goal scoring chances they missed. That was the nadir but he was dodgy throughout. Ohh I completely agree. I don't like writing players off because well... Arnie, Adam, Ireland, Wilson, Whelan, Cameron,Walters, Diouf, Crouch, Pieters were summarily written off at one point or another, but Wolly is squandering his own chances to be a member of the team next season with dodgy performances like that and to be honest that 10 minutes is what everyone will remember from today. I'm not writing him off, but I just don't see it especially as a permanent starter here in front of Muniesa whose only problem has been his injuries. Perhaps he should go to Huth's Berlin wall camp in the summer at Leicester? I personally think Huth has reinvented himself like Odemwingie but at Leicester I've seen some passes and him play in a completely different manner than he ever did here as a #1 CB. It makes me wonder if he should be our holding CB and Ryan the rover at LCB.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 19:59:17 GMT
He's had far more good games than bad. Would you play him before Wilson or Muniesa? No, I'd play him after Muniesa as cover with Wilson. Sadly Muni for all his ability seems to be made of glass this season, so we need cover. I'd sign him for rotation and covering when injuries occur.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 25, 2015 20:05:31 GMT
Would you play him before Wilson or Muniesa? No, I'd play him after Muniesa as cover with Wilson. Sadly Muni for all his ability seems to be made of glass this season, so we need cover. I'd sign him for rotation and covering when injuries occur. Rather than signing a player for rotation, wouldn't it be better to get one in who's better than what we've got, if we had to? When everyone's fit, he's fourth choice centre half for me as it stands.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:07:07 GMT
No, I'd play him after Muniesa as cover with Wilson. Sadly Muni for all his ability seems to be made of glass this season, so we need cover. I'd sign him for rotation and covering when injuries occur. Rather than signing a player for rotation, wouldn't it be better to get one in who's better than what we've got, if we had to? When everyone's fit, he's fourth choice centre half for me as it stands. 3rd for me as it stand, but I see your poin.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 25, 2015 20:10:05 GMT
It was more than 10 minutes and he's had more dodgy games than good ones. He's had far more good games than bad. I'm sorry mate but that is utter bollocks.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 25, 2015 20:11:10 GMT
Rather than signing a player for rotation, wouldn't it be better to get one in who's better than what we've got, if we had to? When everyone's fit, he's fourth choice centre half for me as it stands. 3rd for me as it stand, but I see your poin. Out of interest, on what basis would you have him ahead of Wilson?
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Post by ladyinred on Apr 25, 2015 20:15:19 GMT
He was making a tackle to save us from going down 1-2. no Wolly was going mental at the lino after he did that. Say you're right and he was still getting up from the tackle etc, why didn't he reprimand him afterwards when they were back in position? He did hobble over and have a word
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:17:50 GMT
3rd for me as it stand, but I see your poin. Out of interest, on what basis would you have him ahead of Wilson? Everyone bad mouths Wilson, so I assume he's shit. In all honesty it's just preference.
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Post by timbo1988 on Apr 25, 2015 20:21:51 GMT
Out of interest, on what basis would you have him ahead of Wilson? Everyone bad mouths Wilson, so I assume he's shit. In all honesty it's just preference. Both are not good enough! To improve we need a proper partner for Ryan and the Muniesa can be 3rd choice! Somebody like Denyear or Van Dijk have all the attributes to do well in the premiership and are good on the ball!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 25, 2015 20:22:59 GMT
Out of interest, on what basis would you have him ahead of Wilson? Everyone bad mouths Wilson, so I assume he's shit. In all honesty it's just preference. Based on what though Jase. That's my question.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:29:52 GMT
Given our standing in the game and our stability finance-wise, we should be aiming to make every player we buy better than what we have on the books now. Getting someone better than Shawcross might be a bit tricky, but that's the kind of standard we should be looking at for the player we need to bring in to partner him. I just don't see Wollscheid as too much of an upgrade (if at all) on any of the players we have on our books. We need better.
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 25, 2015 20:55:56 GMT
Wollscheld prances around like a fucking ballerina, sorry mark one way ticket on lufthansa for him at the end of the season, get charlie signed up and start regretting giving crouch and whelan 2 year contracts... If you want to move this club on, get rid of the rotten wood, and while we are at it , if we can get 10 million for begovic snap their hands off his handling is shocking
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Apr 25, 2015 21:31:30 GMT
I thought the situation was handled well by all really. Pieters did the right thing and shepherded him away for his own good (let's face it a soft nudge wasn't going to get him away and after cocking up so badly then getting booked, he was right to have a but of a go) and then I saw Ryan also intercepted wolly and had a quiet word to calm him down. So those questioning his captaincy have got it all wrong.
I think wollscheid has had some great games this year, but I much prefer muniesa in there. He's just as good at passing, has much more aggressiveness to his play and poses more threat going forward even from central defense.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 25, 2015 22:31:35 GMT
I wouldn't go that far... But I don't think Cameron would of had that massive succession of errors in that 5-10 minute span or even Wilson, for all his costly mistakes. It was a horrid 10 minutes. The stuff of nightmares. But it worries me that it could wipe out 4 months of good performances from fans minds, especially considering none of them led to goals today (thankfully). I'll be honest, I really haven't seen what you've seen in him.
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Post by thestokielad on Apr 25, 2015 22:41:10 GMT
Hes alright but i wouldn't sign him
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Post by prem4stoke on Apr 25, 2015 22:52:03 GMT
no Wolly was going mental at the lino after he did that. Say you're right and he was still getting up from the tackle etc, why didn't he reprimand him afterwards when they were back in position? He'd already had Pieters and Walters ripping into him. Not sure a further reprimand would have helped the situation. Pieters' intervention wasn't overly protective either. Once he'd shepherded Wollscheid away from the linesman, he was particularly forceful in making his disdain known. At one point, I'm sure he aimed a little smack at Wollscheid's face. Maybe it was a friendly tap and I'm reading the situation wrongly, but it didn't look that matey to me. Walters didn't look like he was trying to boost the German's confidence either. None of it looked all that friendly, which is unusual for Pieters in particular as he's usually the first player to try to reassure a teammate who's dropped a clanger. I'm all in favour of giving players time to settle in, but when you're on loan, you have to make a good impression quickly. Wollscheid hasn't done anywhere near enough in my opinion. I can't believe we can't find a better frontline centre half elsewhere spot on
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Post by prem4stoke on Apr 25, 2015 22:54:49 GMT
He hasn't been superb, brilliant fantastic all season to be able to waive that absolute dog shite performance.
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Post by taytotheimpailer on Apr 25, 2015 23:47:51 GMT
Everyone bad mouths Wilson, so I assume he's shit. In all honesty it's just preference. Based on what though Jase. That's my question. Everyone doesn't bad mouth Wilson. A few broken records on here blame him for everything who hardly represent everyone. We didn't finish where we did last season and have a great run with Wilson in the team by him being as bad as some say.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 0:18:23 GMT
Shawcross and Wolly should never play together again unless we have no one else. It's an awful, awful partnership.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 26, 2015 1:45:55 GMT
As the weeks pass by it is looking more and more frugal to keep Huth as main back up to Muniesa than signing Wolly. Let's put the money towards someone who will get on the end of Adam's and Arnie's crosses
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 26, 2015 1:55:10 GMT
What exactly is up with him? Every time he makes a mistake he picks a fight. He messed up an easy situation to leave Defoe one on one with Begovic and then he went off screaming at Hughes. He made an awful error to let them in and he went ballistic at the linesman and referee. He could easily have been sent off because he lost control. See also the games against Blackburn and Man City. Clive Clarke Syndrome
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 26, 2015 6:33:41 GMT
He looks a bit psycho to me. There's something so uninspiring in him. There's nothing in him which would make me want to sign him on a perm if I was the manager
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 26, 2015 8:03:06 GMT
He is undoubtedly the worst central defender we have on our books (not counting Jonny Tex who ive never seen play).
I hope we havent already agreed on a permanent signing and we can bring back Huth
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Apr 26, 2015 9:41:56 GMT
If ever confirmation was needed that we need to get Huth back in tandem with Shawcross that was it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 9:47:06 GMT
He hasn't been superb, brilliant fantastic all season to be able to waive that absolute dog shite performance. And of the games he has played, he has three times turned in an abomination of a performance, culminating in that yesterday. He's the worst all-round Centre Back we've had since the dark days.
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Post by tuum on Apr 26, 2015 9:55:37 GMT
He was making a tackle to save us from going down 1-2. no Wolly was going mental at the lino after he did that. Say you're right and he was still getting up from the tackle etc, why didn't he reprimand him afterwards when they were back in position? He did. Well, he must have done because later I saw him talking to Wolly. Does he need to give him a public dressing down with cue cards for the crowd so they know that he is bollocking Wolly? Maybe, he felt it wasn't necessary because Wolly was contrite and realized he had messed up? Who knows. The captains job on the pitch is to toss up at the start of the game. Everything else (bar talking to the ref) can be left to the natural leaders and the management.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 10:02:34 GMT
Shawcross definitely went up to him after. Pieters and someone else bollocked him and dragged him away then Ryan came in and had a quiet word a few seconds after Wolly was booked.
Shawcross didn't need to bollock him either, that had already been done by Pieters and 26,000 fans shouting at him to stop being a dick.
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