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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 23, 2015 15:58:35 GMT
I was wondering what everyone's overall opinion of him has been since he joined based on his performances and whether you all think Mark Hughes will decide to excercise the option to buy him in the Summer if he gets the chance?
In my opinion he seems a decent player, very slow and sometimes tends to get caught under the ball. Doesn't seem to read the game quite as well as Shawcross but I think that's unfair to him really as Ryan's reading of the game is very good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:01:17 GMT
I really like him, posted a thread where I bummed him fairly heavily a week or so ago. He's not been perfect but he has come off of a long injury, he also was dropped at his previous club for a long period of time, he's getting used to a new country and new league and he had to come in at a time where he was replacing our injured captain. Off the back of all that he produced several MOTM performances... Can't ask for a lot more tbh
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 23, 2015 16:01:49 GMT
Jury firmly out for me.
The lad can play but I'm unsure about some of his defending.
Quite a big call to be made on him you'd think.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2015 16:06:25 GMT
Very tricky call.
£3m is not a lot of money - but I'm not convinced he's the best we can do as Shawcross' partner - which is the bottom line (rather than the prospective fee) when we've got Huth, Wilson and Muniesa contracted already.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 23, 2015 16:06:36 GMT
Jury firmly out for me. The lad can play but I'm unsure about some of his defending. Quite a big call to be made on him you'd think. Same as me. Like all players at our level there are positives and negatives and I don't have too much problem with getting him in, Premier League football certainly hasn't really phased him despite a few errors and concerns about pace. I'm far from convinced of him being our long term first choice though, not shown nearly enough for that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:06:58 GMT
Very tricky call. £3m is not a lot of money - but I'm not convinced he's the best we can do as Shawcross' partner - which is the bottom line (rather than the prospective fee) when we've got Huth, Wilson and Muniesa contracted already. Is it confirmed anywhere that it is £3?
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Post by 2004 on Apr 23, 2015 16:09:27 GMT
Very tricky call. £3m is not a lot of money - but I'm not convinced he's the best we can do as Shawcross' partner - which is the bottom line (rather than the prospective fee) when we've got Huth, Wilson and Muniesa contracted already. Is it confirmed anywhere that it is £3? I'd take him at that price! :-D
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 23, 2015 16:09:49 GMT
Jury firmly out for me. The lad can play but I'm unsure about some of his defending. Quite a big call to be made on him you'd think. Same as me. Like all players at our level there are positives and negatives and I don't have too much problem with getting him in, Premier League football certainly hasn't really phased him despite a few errors and concerns about pace. I'm far from convinced of him being our long term first choice though, not shown nearly enough for that. His pace is also a concern. Seems to read the game well enough and he's confident in possession (albeit he scares the shit out of me at times).
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 23, 2015 16:10:34 GMT
Very tricky call. £3m is not a lot of money - but I'm not convinced he's the best we can do as Shawcross' partner - which is the bottom line (rather than the prospective fee) when we've got Huth, Wilson and Muniesa contracted already. Is it confirmed anywhere that it is £3? It's agreed at €3.8m so depending on the exchange rate at the time of the deal it's around £3mill
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 23, 2015 16:12:28 GMT
I suppose the barometer would be "would you lose any sleep if he didn't sign?"
Personally I wouldn't so I guess that's where I'm at.
Hopefully he'll come good but my gut feeling is we can get better.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2015 16:13:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:15:16 GMT
Well for £3m we literally have to buy him, he is better then Wilson and I'd sooner have him in the squad then Huth (albeit only because of age) Muniesa looked better in the team I thought but he's more then sufficient cover
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:16:49 GMT
Is it confirmed anywhere that it is £3? I'd take him at that price! :-D It's a swap deal! 6 pack of monster munch, a £1 scratcher, a half drank can of special brew and the change from the footwell of Hughes' car ... and Palacios!
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 23, 2015 16:18:31 GMT
Well at least no one is slating him which is more than can be said for most of our players to be honest.
I think Muniesa should be Shawcross' partner or if not his partner then he could do a good job alongside N'Zonzi maybe, ( not based on any actual experience of him playing this role) just think the way he plays could be used in the Whelan sort of role.
To be fair I think I would prefer Wollscheid to Wilson if I had to choose between those two, but then to be fair I actually don't like Wilson haha. Though they both scare the shit out of me when they have the ball at their feet at the back even though neither gets caught in possession too much.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:25:17 GMT
REALLY hit and miss so far and i can't ever get over the fact that he's soooooooooooooooooo slow!
for a player that slow to come good then he has to really have a seriously good brain in terms of positioning. he's certainly not shit but the days of having a solid wall at the back that you had 100% confidence in (a la Shawcross/Faye or Shawcross/Huth) seem a distant memory at the moment
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 23, 2015 16:26:26 GMT
REALLY hit and miss so far and i can't ever get over the fact that he's soooooooooooooooooo slow! for a player that slow to come good then he has to really have a seriously good brain in terms of positioning. he's certainly not shit but the days of having a solid wall at the back that you had 100% confidence in (a la Shawcross/Faye or Shawcross/Huth) seem a distant memory at the moment Reckon that's pretty fair, Mick.
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Post by unknown182 on Apr 23, 2015 16:31:47 GMT
I'm a fan of Muniesa and would love to see him and Shawcross get a stretch of games as a pairing. But Muniesa's niggling injury's just won't go away. Saying that though I would prefer Wollscheid over Wilson.
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Post by stokemanusa on Apr 23, 2015 16:35:48 GMT
I'm a fan of Muniesa and would love to see him and Shawcross get a stretch of games as a pairing. But Muniesa's niggling injury's just won't go away. Saying that though I would prefer Wollscheid over Wilson. That's what I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 16:35:54 GMT
He'll be fine when he's been here a bit. I can already see a difference from when he first started here.
He seems a bright lad and it comes across that way on the pitch.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 23, 2015 16:37:26 GMT
I see him third in the pecking order for CB behind Shawcross and Muniesa. I don't rate Wilson very highly in that position. So I say sign him up with understanding that he'll spend a lot of time on the bench, barring injuries, which is very iffey.
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Post by YounginStoke on Apr 23, 2015 16:48:25 GMT
For me our starting centre half partnership has to be Ryan and Muni, but Muni is quite injury prone so we have to have a good enough CB as back up, Wilson/Cameron should be no where near it, I just don't think they are good enough. I don't think Huth would want to sit on the bench being back up, so for me have to sign Wolly, but if we do sign him I hope it is as back up and not starting instead of Muni.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 23, 2015 16:57:52 GMT
He'll be fine when he's been here a bit. I can already see a difference from when he first started here. He seems a bright lad and it comes across that way on the pitch. I agree and I think that MH thinks highly of him. To be fair he has had to play in a variety of defensive team selections - not ideal for any new player His running style looks very awkward, I don't think he is as slow as some make out I also believe that Wollscheid is happy here - important when it comes to squad building I hope we sign him
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Post by ruts66 on Apr 23, 2015 17:03:22 GMT
No doubting Wolly is an intelligent player who can pass the ball out of defence quite nicely but that lack of pace is a concern at this level.
Personally, I'd take him at £3m...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 17:17:54 GMT
Very good centre half.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 23, 2015 17:30:15 GMT
Played well against Southampton , he needs to be given time to form a partnership with Ryan . We've been firefighting in central defence since he arrived so until Ryan gets back to his old self it's not fair to judge him . The huth situation is interesting , the big man seems to be back to his best now . He must be given first choice again if he isn't sold . He's definitely a better option than toure if the reports are true about our interest
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Post by george2again on Apr 23, 2015 17:37:22 GMT
''Give him a pre season'' and ''time to settle'' bollocks, hes a good footballer and excellent passer but a good pre season and settling in period is not going to make him any more mobile or quicker is it? He is woefully slow and perhaps the reason he went from Dortmand to no where very quickly? back up for me and personally I don't think any of our players are the long term partner for Ryan, including Huth, Muni, Cameron or Wilson. New blood needed these do a job but thats as far as it goes. Muni to take Whelans position for me.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 23, 2015 17:45:15 GMT
I must admit I've not been too convinced about Wolly in the past, but all in all he has done a decent job and is still improving. £3M isn't much for a PL player so maybe not a bad deal after all. The problem for me is that I still think the Shawcross/Huth partnership is the best we have. Unfortunately I think we'll sell Huth if ve buy Wolly so I'm still a bit uncertain about this deal!
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Post by jonnybravo on Apr 23, 2015 17:51:00 GMT
I like wollscheid he's getting better every game, in my opinion he reads the game better than Ryan and his range of passing is alot better.
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Post by tarheel on Apr 23, 2015 18:01:44 GMT
I think Stoke has very high standards for center backs and were are being jaded by this. (if) Wollscheid walks away without a contract then it's right into another EPL team, imo.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 23, 2015 18:01:46 GMT
I like wollscheid he's getting better every game, in my opinion he reads the game better than Ryan and his range of passing is alot better. Can't really agree with either of those 2 statements, Ryan's Range of passing is one of his most underrated qualities and I don't think any defender in the league except for maybe John Terry reads the game as well as Ryan ( and JT is a prick anyway)
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