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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 22, 2015 16:48:04 GMT
Invaluable (and in a good way)
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Post by onionman on Apr 22, 2015 19:01:03 GMT
Jon Walters is like an old settee.
If you tried to sell it, you'd probably only get 10 quid, because nobody really wants someone else's old settee.
Then you'd start your search for a new settee, with 10 quid in your pocket, and the only thing you'd be able to buy is either someone else's old settee (in this analogy, Grant Holt) or an absolutely terrible settee (Achille Campion, possibly).
So there you have it. Either we hold on to Jon Walters, or we look forward to a season of watching TV while sitting on the floor.
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Post by RAF on Apr 22, 2015 19:09:55 GMT
Walters wasn't a key player at Blackburn, Bolton, Crewe, Barnsley, Hull, Scunthorpe or Wrexham and we are the only top flight he has played for , so to say that and compare it to the places Tuncay has been after us is not only disingenuous but just fucking factually wrong. H Once Walters fought back and got his chance again he's been a hit. Captain at Ipswich, a regular under two top managers and a key player for Ireland. Tuncay relegated at Boro, bit part player for us and done nothing since. So did Huth it's a poorly made point I'm afraid! H |
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Post by upthefud on Apr 22, 2015 19:17:04 GMT
Once Walters fought back and got his chance again he's been a hit. Captain at Ipswich, a regular under two top managers and a key player for Ireland. Tuncay relegated at Boro, bit part player for us and done nothing since. So did Huth it's a poorly made point I'm afraid! H Huth played an undeniably huge part here for years. Hardly a bit part player. Whether you find it a poor point or not is totally up to you but don't distort it to try and fit a Stoke legend in. |
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Post by RAF on Apr 22, 2015 19:18:22 GMT
But that wasn't the point I was addressing and I think that is fairly obvious. "The Pony Tailed Turk"? It would have been a lot easier to type Tuncay, but we know why you didn't. H Do we? Is it the same reason you refer to your own opinion as "we"? I was referring to myself and my mates on here. It's the same reason you didn't refer to Jon Walters as the shaven headed Paddy! H |
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Post by RAF on Apr 22, 2015 19:22:25 GMT
So did Huth it's a poorly made point I'm afraid! H Huth played an undeniably huge part here for years. Hardly a bit part player. Whether you find it a poor point or not is totally up to you but don't distort it to try and fit a Stoke legend in. Im not trying to distort anything, you used getting relegated with Middlesbrough to try and make a point, I pointed out it was a poor point as Huth was also in that team that got relegated thus negating your point! I never suggested for a minute Huth was a bit part player H |
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 22, 2015 19:25:13 GMT
I think Walters cost around £2.5M, and we would almost certainly get our money back on him after years of great service.
He was one of the Pulis gambles which paid off brilliantly.
But, in truth, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go this summer if he wants regular first team football.
I doubt he'll be a regular starter if he stays next season.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 22, 2015 19:32:57 GMT
Do we? Is it the same reason you refer to your own opinion as "we"? I was referring to myself and my mates on here. It's the same reason you didn't refer to Jon Walters as the shaven headed Paddy! H I'm lost???!!! Is Turk an offensive term? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 22, 2015 19:33:46 GMT
Walters could only dream of scoring champions league hatricks, tearing one of the greatest national teams of all time (France) a new cunt aged 23 in the 2003 confederations cup (as well putting in a motm performance against the then world champions Brazil). He could only dream of playing and being a key player in his country reaching a European championship semi final against all odds. He could only dream of captaining his country over a prolonged period in a career spanning 80 national caps and over 20 international goals. Anyone suggesting Jon Walters is a better footballer than the heroic Turk should be ashamed of themselves. Hang your head in shame and bow down to the magical flair of Tuncay Sanli.
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Post by onionman on Apr 22, 2015 19:39:24 GMT
Walters could only dream of scoring champions league hatricks, tearing one of the greatest national teams of all time (France) a new cunt aged 23 in the 2003 confederations cup (as well putting in a motm performance against the then world champions Brazil). He could only dream of playing and being a key player in his country reaching a European championship semi final against all odds. He could only dream of captaining his country over a prolonged period in a career spanning 80 national caps and over 20 international goals. Anyone suggesting Jon Walters is a better footballer than the heroic Turk should be ashamed of themselves. Hang your head in shame and bow down to the magical flair of Tuncay Sanli. If you don't count his hat-trick, Tuncay was dogshit in that Champions League game. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 22, 2015 19:53:04 GMT
Transfer value? £0
Fully believe he will see out his career with us and truly hope he does.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Apr 22, 2015 20:04:02 GMT
Once Walters fought back and got his chance again he's been a hit. Captain at Ipswich, a regular under two top managers and a key player for Ireland. Tuncay relegated at Boro, bit part player for us and done nothing since. He was a bit part player because of the ex manager, nothing else. He did nothing to justify him being anything other than a bit part player. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 22, 2015 20:29:59 GMT
Walters could only dream of scoring champions league hatricks, tearing one of the greatest national teams of all time (France) a new cunt aged 23 in the 2003 confederations cup (as well putting in a motm performance against the then world champions Brazil). He could only dream of playing and being a key player in his country reaching a European championship semi final against all odds. He could only dream of captaining his country over a prolonged period in a career spanning 80 national caps and over 20 international goals. Anyone suggesting Jon Walters is a better footballer than the heroic Turk should be ashamed of themselves. Hang your head in shame and bow down to the magical flair of Tuncay Sanli. If you don't count his hat-trick, Tuncay was dogshit in that Champions League game. True. But he would still have achieved an infinitely greater amount of success in his career than the aaaard working Jonny Boy  The sooner Whelan and Walters move on the sooner our transition from "runners" to footballers will be complete. The last haunting remnants of the Pulis regime are slowly fading and it feels great. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 22, 2015 20:31:55 GMT
Once Walters fought back and got his chance again he's been a hit. Captain at Ipswich, a regular under two top managers and a key player for Ireland. Tuncay relegated at Boro, bit part player for us and done nothing since. He was a bit part player because of the ex manager, nothing else. Absolutely tricky |
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Post by upthefud on Apr 22, 2015 21:46:24 GMT
If you don't count his hat-trick, Tuncay was dogshit in that Champions League game. True. But he would still have achieved an infinitely greater amount of success in his career than the aaaard working Jonny Boy The sooner Whelan and Walters move on the sooner our transition from "runners" to footballers will be complete. The last haunting remnants of the Pulis regime are slowly fading and it feels great. Yeah I can't wait for Begovic, Shawcross, Whelan, N'Zonzi and Crouch to leave either. Can you confirm that you do actually understand that it takes more than a bit of miss placed flair to build a successful football team? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 22:01:06 GMT
He was never very fast to start with but he has played his part in our good fortunes . I expect that he may have one more season in the ranks , but sincerely hope that a younger ,quicker replacement is found during the close season . Leicester or West Brom would pay £2-3 million for him . Pulis would agree to an extra £10million if he played more than three games in one season ....  |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 23, 2015 6:59:59 GMT
True. But he would still have achieved an infinitely greater amount of success in his career than the aaaard working Jonny Boy The sooner Whelan and Walters move on the sooner our transition from "runners" to footballers will be complete. The last haunting remnants of the Pulis regime are slowly fading and it feels great. Yeah I can't wait for Begovic, Shawcross, Whelan, N'Zonzi and Crouch to leave either. Can you confirm that you do actually understand that it takes more than a bit of miss placed flair to build a successful football team? How many non-footballing runners did the great Barcelona team of the last decade accommodate? |
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Post by upthefud on Apr 23, 2015 7:16:19 GMT
Yeah I can't wait for Begovic, Shawcross, Whelan, N'Zonzi and Crouch to leave either. Can you confirm that you do actually understand that it takes more than a bit of miss placed flair to build a successful football team? How many non-footballing runners did the great Barcelona team of the last decade accommodate? Barcelona is a one off. An extremely rich club who were able to build this expensive team whilst involved in a two horse race for the title. They are able to keep the ball against poor team hence they don't have as much pressure to cope with. Sideways passing is just as mind numbing to watch as anything Pulis up. A better example for you is what happened to Arsenal after Adams, Keown and Viera ect had disappeared |
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 23, 2015 8:05:20 GMT
Doesnt matter what his market value is it would be utter lunacy to sell him.
Not many players abt like walters andvhe gets goals
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Post by Plave on Apr 23, 2015 8:42:25 GMT
Strikers/wide forwards/wingers with more than 2 but less Premier League goals than Jon Walters this season;
Mane, Mirallas, Carroll, Downing, Gomis, Jovetic, Remy, Agbonlahor, Bolasie, Diame, Dzeko, Falcao, Bojan, Fletcher, Hernandez, Ideye, Johnson, Ozil, Sturridge, Tadic, Valencia, Welbeck, Wickham, Di Maria, Drogba, Dyer, Long, Moses, Routledge, Schurrle, Vardy, Vargas, Weimann, Zaha, Zamora, Adebayor, Anechiba, Ameobi, Elia, Elmohamady, Gomez, Lambert, Lennon, Markovic, Townsend, Walcott, Willian, Young, Zarate.
Yes a number of them haven't played a lot of games but Jon has missed a few too, I'm not listing this to claim he's better than some of those names but as some people really don't seem to get how difficult getting 7 premier league goals is it needed a little context. Only 25 players (including our Diouf) have more.
Whatever money we could get for him makes no sense.
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Post by miggo on Apr 23, 2015 9:01:07 GMT
How many non-footballing runners did the great Barcelona team of the last decade accommodate? Barcelona is a one off. An extremely rich club who were able to build this expensive team whilst involved in a two horse race for the title. They are able to keep the ball against poor team hence they don't have as much pressure to cope with. Sideways passing is just as mind numbing to watch as anything Pulis up. A better example for you is what happened to Arsenal after Adams, Keown and Viera ect had disappeared Not sure I agree with this, whilst they do splash the cash occasionally the majority of there team especially under pep were from their own youth system, in a recent champions league final they fielded a team where 9 of the starting 11 were from the academy. They've also had the transfer ban in place over the last 12 months Sent from my C6603 using proboards |
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 23, 2015 9:13:04 GMT
Walters wasn't a key player at Blackburn, Bolton, Crewe, Barnsley, Hull, Scunthorpe or Wrexham and we are the only top flight he has played for , so to say that and compare it to the places Tuncay has been after us is not only disingenuous but just fucking factually wrong. H Once Walters fought back and got his chance again he's been a hit. Captain at Ipswich, a regular under two top managers and a key player for Ireland. Tuncay relegated at Boro, bit part player for us and done nothing since. What a joker! It's a daft comparison but if you are going to go down that road........ Best do some basic research I reckon. 80 international caps, 22 international goals, 12 champions league goals or how does that weigh up against being captain of Ipswich? |
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Post by upthefud on Apr 23, 2015 9:40:05 GMT
Once Walters fought back and got his chance again he's been a hit. Captain at Ipswich, a regular under two top managers and a key player for Ireland. Tuncay relegated at Boro, bit part player for us and done nothing since. What a joker! It's a daft comparison but if you are going to go down that road........ Best do some basic research I reckon. 80 international caps, 22 international goals, 12 champions league goals or how does that weigh up against being captain of Ipswich? It's well documented that Walters' career got off to a shocker, he had to work his way up from rock bottom whereas Tuncay didn't have this barrier. Who has been a better player for Stoke, and since Tuncay was relegated at Boro what has he done to prove to anybody that he's a top player? He's just another convenient stick to beat the old manager with. |
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Post by supacoopa101 on Apr 23, 2015 9:57:19 GMT
Transfer value? £0 Fully believe he will see out his career with us and truly hope he does. Could not agree more |
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Post by enuntio on Apr 23, 2015 10:01:42 GMT
An excellent purchase, top value, a real bargain and this season with a couple of our new players he has been SUPER
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 23, 2015 13:46:22 GMT
Do we? Is it the same reason you refer to your own opinion as "we"? I was referring to myself and my mates on here. It's the same reason you didn't refer to Jon Walters as the shaven headed Paddy! H Still waiting......so is Turk an offensive term? Still confused about what you're implying about my earlier post. |
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Post by RAF on Apr 23, 2015 14:24:14 GMT
What a joker! It's a daft comparison but if you are going to go down that road........ Best do some basic research I reckon. 80 international caps, 22 international goals, 12 champions league goals or how does that weigh up against being captain of Ipswich? It's well documented that Walters' career got off to a shocker, he had to work his way up from rock bottom whereas Tuncay didn't have this barrier. Who has been a better player for Stoke, and since Tuncay was relegated at Boro what has he done to prove to anybody that he's a top player? He's just another convenient stick to beat the old manager with. Hang on a minute you said and I quote "Funny isn't it how Walters has been a key player everywhere he's been" Now apparently his career got off to a shocker and he had to work his way up. So your point that he has been a key player everywhere he has been is actually wrong. He was a key player at Ipswich up until his final season, and he has been a key player for us, especially now he isn't getting flogged to death. I like Walters, he's the kind of bloke you want in the trenches with you, but let's not make things up. It's like your point about Tuncay getting relegated with Middlesbrough is proof of something. It only goes to prove that good players can get relegated, as Huth went down with him. H |
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Post by upthefud on Apr 23, 2015 14:31:52 GMT
It's well documented that Walters' career got off to a shocker, he had to work his way up from rock bottom whereas Tuncay didn't have this barrier. Who has been a better player for Stoke, and since Tuncay was relegated at Boro what has he done to prove to anybody that he's a top player? He's just another convenient stick to beat the old manager with. Hang on a minute you said and I quote "Funny isn't it how Walters has been a key player everywhere he's been" Now apparently his career got off to a shocker and he had to work his way up. So your point that he has been a key player everywhere he has been is actually wrong. He was a key player at Ipswich up until his final season, and he has been a key player for us, especially now he isn't getting flogged to death. I like Walters, he's the kind of bloke you want in the trenches with you, but let's not make things up. It's like your point about Tuncay getting relegated with Middlesbrough is proof of something. It only goes to prove that good players can get relegated, as Huth went down with him. H Many players start from the bottom up, you don't get snapped up without fighting for your lot and playing well whatever level you're at. Look how long it took Grant Holt and Rickie Lambert. My point with Tuncay was he'd had a poor season when Boro dropped: did nothing for us, did nothing for Bolton and has done nothing since. Huth has done something since, he's been fantastic. Tuncay's career has spiralled downwards. I wasn't trying to say good players don't get relegated by any means. |
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Post by RAF on Apr 23, 2015 14:43:03 GMT
Hang on a minute you said and I quote "Funny isn't it how Walters has been a key player everywhere he's been" Now apparently his career got off to a shocker and he had to work his way up. So your point that he has been a key player everywhere he has been is actually wrong. He was a key player at Ipswich up until his final season, and he has been a key player for us, especially now he isn't getting flogged to death. I like Walters, he's the kind of bloke you want in the trenches with you, but let's not make things up. It's like your point about Tuncay getting relegated with Middlesbrough is proof of something. It only goes to prove that good players can get relegated, as Huth went down with him. H Many players start from the bottom up, you don't get snapped up without fighting for your lot and playing well whatever level you're at. Look how long it took Grant Holt and Rickie Lambert. My point with Tuncay was he'd had a poor season when Boro dropped: did nothing for us, did nothing for Bolton and has done nothing since. Huth has done something since, he's been fantastic. Tuncay's career has spiralled downwards. I wasn't trying to say good players don't get relegated by any means. So you are admitting Walters hasn't been a key player everywhere he has been as you said initially then? H |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 23, 2015 15:18:41 GMT
He was a bit part player because of the ex manager, nothing else. Absolutely tricky From memory Tuncay was deemed "not Stoke fit" then got at least "Stoke fit", started playing well and then Pulis sold him? I wonder how Tone would have treated Bojan? |
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The sooner Whelan and Walters move on the sooner our transition from "runners" to footballers will be complete. The last haunting remnants of the Pulis regime are slowly fading and it feels great. 
