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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 22, 2015 10:21:03 GMT
His injuries have taken a toll of late and his form compared to earlier in the season has understandably dipped a little. That said, if he can recapture his earlier form he's a valuable squad member.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 22, 2015 10:56:09 GMT
My personal opinion is that I think we won't be seeing as much of him next season. If he ups his game again, after a new signing comes in, then it's win win for everyone. Same goes Whelan I just think Hughes will try to replace them both in the summer.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 22, 2015 11:25:04 GMT
It's never the value with out better players it's the cost of suitable replacement
We would be hard pushed to find a 25 year old new version of goarrrrn Jon even more hard pushed to find one at a decent price
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 22, 2015 11:25:40 GMT
I just don't get it, I really don't. This season has been a typical Walters season - creates little and doesn't score enough but loads of aaard work. 7 goals in the best part of 30 games and people think he's a transformed player. 3 of which came in one game. That's 4 goals in 26 other games this season if my numbers are correct. I find it staggering that some seem so desperate to keep him and even more bizarrely would like us to refuse an offer of 3 million for a soon to be 32 year old forward who as we've established...doesn't score many and doesn't create many. Wow. He's no Tuncay, I'll give you that. Thank God.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 11:33:15 GMT
Like Whelan, Walters has been a real bargain of a signing. His endless work rate and commitment more than makes up for his limitations in other areas. He was never going to be a 15-20 goal striker but his contributions over the years have more than paid for his signing on fee. Wouldn't be tempted to sell unless someone came in with a 5mil+ offer which realistically is never going to happen. So as far as I'm concerned offer him a year extension and use him from the bench more IF we get a younger/better signing this summer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 11:38:01 GMT
Can't see any value in selling SJW. The money he would bring in would not come close to signing an adequate replacement. Agree totally. Big difference between VALUE & WORTH. His value is what another club would pay for him...Prob 3Mill Max. His worth is what we'd have to spend to replace him...£10Mill... And would a replacement fit in as well as he does, his work rate and commitment alone are priceless.
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Post by torquaypotter on Apr 22, 2015 11:47:26 GMT
How much did he cost when we signed him ?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 22, 2015 11:48:37 GMT
Can't see any value in selling SJW. The money he would bring in would not come close to signing an adequate replacement. Agree totally. Big difference between VALUE & WORTH. His value is what another club would pay for him...Prob 3Mill Max. His worth is what we'd have to spend to replace him...£10Mill... And would a replacement fit in as well as he does, his work rate and commitment alone are priceless. Hysterical
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Post by foster on Apr 22, 2015 11:53:07 GMT
Can't see any value in selling SJW. The money he would bring in would not come close to signing an adequate replacement. Agree totally. Big difference between VALUE & WORTH.His value is what another club would pay for him...Prob 3Mill Max. His worth is what we'd have to spend to replace him...£10Mill... And would a replacement fit in as well as he does, his work rate and commitment alone are priceless. Foster likes how you expressed this...erm, expression.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 22, 2015 11:54:49 GMT
Agree totally. Big difference between VALUE & WORTH. His value is what another club would pay for him...Prob 3Mill Max. His worth is what we'd have to spend to replace him...£10Mill... And would a replacement fit in as well as he does, his work rate and commitment alone are priceless. Hysterical It's all style over substance for you. Walters has done more this season than Tuncay did in his time at Stoke. Funny isn't it how Walters has been a key player everywhere he's been yet Tuncay has been nothing more than a fringe player since leaving the club
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 22, 2015 12:41:09 GMT
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 22, 2015 12:45:10 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 22, 2015 12:48:10 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 22, 2015 12:49:17 GMT
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Post by RAF on Apr 22, 2015 12:49:43 GMT
It's all style over substance for you. Walters has done more this season than Tuncay did in his time at Stoke. Funny isn't it how Walters has been a key player everywhere he's been yet Tuncay has been nothing more than a fringe player since leaving the club Walters wasn't a key player at Blackburn, Bolton, Crewe, Barnsley, Hull, Scunthorpe or Wrexham and we are the only top flight he has played for , so to say that and compare it to the places Tuncay has been after us is not only disingenuous but just fucking factually wrong. H
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 22, 2015 13:00:59 GMT
He has improved but to my eyes he is still poor in a far too many games.
Since his hat trick he has been consistently below average. His contribution is simply about energy as he struggles with possession and distribution.
He had a good spell when he played with Bojan but that is about it. But I think Bojan is capable of improving anyone's game tbh.
I dont think anyone apart from WBA or possibly Burnley would be interested in buying him in this division.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 22, 2015 13:09:01 GMT
It's all style over substance for you. Walters has done more this season than Tuncay did in his time at Stoke. Funny isn't it how Walters has been a key player everywhere he's been yet Tuncay has been nothing more than a fringe player since leaving the club Walters wasn't a key player at Blackburn, Bolton, Crewe, Barnsley, Hull, Scunthorpe or Wrexham and we are the only top flight he has played for , so to say that and compare it to the places Tuncay has been after us is not only disingenuous but just fucking factually wrong. H But its factually accurate to say that Walters has had a significantly greater and more positive impact on Stoke City than the pony tailed Turk. Which I think is the main point.
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Post by RAF on Apr 22, 2015 13:15:41 GMT
Walters wasn't a key player at Blackburn, Bolton, Crewe, Barnsley, Hull, Scunthorpe or Wrexham and we are the only top flight he has played for , so to say that and compare it to the places Tuncay has been after us is not only disingenuous but just fucking factually wrong. H But its factually accurate to say that Walters has had a significantly greater and more positive impact on Stoke City than the pony tailed Turk. Which I think is the main point. But that wasn't the point I was addressing and I think that is fairly obvious. "The Pony Tailed Turk"? It would have been a lot easier to type Tuncay, but we know why you didn't. H
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2015 15:00:02 GMT
It's all style over substance for you. Walters has done more this season than Tuncay did in his time at Stoke. Funny isn't it how Walters has been a key player everywhere he's been yet Tuncay has been nothing more than a fringe player since leaving the club Once again we have this 'well what's he done since leaving Stoke' being trotted out by a group of certain posters. Is it some kind of badge of honour that no player has been successful since leaving? It actually ties in with why the previous manager IS the EX Manager. Sacked twice and helped out the door at another for the same thing. A record surely.
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Post by onionman on Apr 22, 2015 15:16:09 GMT
I just don't get it, I really don't. This season has been a typical Walters season - creates little and doesn't score enough but loads of aaard work. 7 goals in the best part of 30 games and people think he's a transformed player. 3 of which came in one game. That's 4 goals in 26 other games this season if my numbers are correct. I find it staggering that some seem so desperate to keep him and even more bizarrely would like us to refuse an offer of 3 million for a soon to be 32 year old forward who as we've established...doesn't score many and doesn't create many. Wow. I know what you mean mate, I don't get it either. Bojan is another. If we discount three of his league goals and everything he's done in the cup, he's only scored once this season. Which is a pretty crap contribution. I find it staggering that some seem to like him too. Wow.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 22, 2015 15:19:31 GMT
It's all style over substance for you. Walters has done more this season than Tuncay did in his time at Stoke. Funny isn't it how Walters has been a key player everywhere he's been yet Tuncay has been nothing more than a fringe player since leaving the club Walters wasn't a key player at Blackburn, Bolton, Crewe, Barnsley, Hull, Scunthorpe or Wrexham and we are the only top flight he has played for , so to say that and compare it to the places Tuncay has been after us is not only disingenuous but just fucking factually wrong. H Once Walters fought back and got his chance again he's been a hit. Captain at Ipswich, a regular under two top managers and a key player for Ireland. Tuncay relegated at Boro, bit part player for us and done nothing since.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 22, 2015 15:22:23 GMT
I just don't get it, I really don't. This season has been a typical Walters season - creates little and doesn't score enough but loads of aaard work. 7 goals in the best part of 30 games and people think he's a transformed player. 3 of which came in one game. That's 4 goals in 26 other games this season if my numbers are correct. I find it staggering that some seem so desperate to keep him and even more bizarrely would like us to refuse an offer of 3 million for a soon to be 32 year old forward who as we've established...doesn't score many and doesn't create many. Wow. I know what you mean mate, I don't get it either. Bojan is another. If we discount three of his league goals and everything he's done in the cup, he's only scored once this season. Which is a pretty crap contribution. I find it staggering that some seem to like him too.Wow. I am 99% sure it is, but I hope this is you being sarcastic? EDIT - Now I know you are
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Post by onionman on Apr 22, 2015 15:22:35 GMT
Oh and I'll tell you another overrated player. Geoff Hurst. He only scored one goal throughout the entire 1966 World Cup (discounting his hat-trick obviously).
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Post by onionman on Apr 22, 2015 15:27:52 GMT
I know what you mean mate, I don't get it either. Bojan is another. If we discount three of his league goals and everything he's done in the cup, he's only scored once this season. Which is a pretty crap contribution. I find it staggering that some seem to like him too.Wow. I am 99% sure it is, but I hope this is you being sarcastic? I was merely applying the same logic scfcbiancorossi used to assess Walters' season. Another forward of ours, I won't mention his name, scored four goals in 30 appearances in our 2009/10 campaign. Let's remove three of his goals from the equation and see what we have left. One goal in 30 games! Goodness me. I find it staggering that some seem to like him. He fared even worse the following season, when he somehow managed to score minus two goals in 14 appearances.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 22, 2015 15:31:41 GMT
Walters wasn't a key player at Blackburn, Bolton, Crewe, Barnsley, Hull, Scunthorpe or Wrexham and we are the only top flight he has played for , so to say that and compare it to the places Tuncay has been after us is not only disingenuous but just fucking factually wrong. H Once Walters fought back and got his chance again he's been a hit. Captain at Ipswich, a regular under two top managers and a key player for Ireland. Tuncay relegated at Boro, bit part player for us and done nothing since. Not sure where you've got this idea that Walters has achieved more in his career than Tuncay. It's not even a contest.
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 22, 2015 15:46:27 GMT
He's been crap this last week or two
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 22, 2015 16:06:00 GMT
He's been crap this last week or two to be fair he has been playing with a fractured face. That's gotta be sore when you're running around the way he does. He seems to get constantly picked even when injured so I'm not surprised his form goes up and down the way it does. Been an AMAZING player for us IMO, his value to our club is almost immeasurable. Just remembered a nice private mental I had in the town square of a northern town in Croatia when he scored vs. Hajduk Split. Locals were not impressed, Happy Days.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 22, 2015 16:35:30 GMT
Walters wasn't a key player at Blackburn, Bolton, Crewe, Barnsley, Hull, Scunthorpe or Wrexham and we are the only top flight he has played for , so to say that and compare it to the places Tuncay has been after us is not only disingenuous but just fucking factually wrong. H Once Walters fought back and got his chance again he's been a hit. Captain at Ipswich, a regular under two top managers and a key player for Ireland. Tuncay relegated at Boro, bit part player for us and done nothing since. He was a bit part player because of the ex manager, nothing else.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 22, 2015 16:36:23 GMT
Agree totally. Big difference between VALUE & WORTH. His value is what another club would pay for him...Prob 3Mill Max. His worth is what we'd have to spend to replace him...£10Mill... And would a replacement fit in as well as he does, his work rate and commitment alone are priceless. Hysterical Why hysterical? Walters would probably go for £2-3M. Can you come up with a player that could start regularly in a variety of positions across the attack for a top half Premiership team that we could get for much less than £10M? Please? Once you have worked one out would you let Mark Hughes know who this player is too.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 22, 2015 16:45:51 GMT
But its factually accurate to say that Walters has had a significantly greater and more positive impact on Stoke City than the pony tailed Turk. Which I think is the main point. But that wasn't the point I was addressing and I think that is fairly obvious. "The Pony Tailed Turk"? It would have been a lot easier to type Tuncay, but we know why you didn't. H Do we? Is it the same reason you refer to your own opinion as "we"?
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