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Post by a.d.faye.god on Apr 19, 2015 14:23:13 GMT
Obviously we have reduced the amount we have spent in the last few windows, and lots has been said by the club regarding 'value'. Some have thought the initial investment needed to keep us in the prem has been done and this is now our new normal, others blame poor scouting others poor recruitment/negotiations.
I've started to think along different lines in the last few weeks, listening to some interviews and putting 2 and 2 together. Hughes has mentioned a few times now that the club is starting to seem like a viable option to a higher level of players (and their agents) that before wouldn't talk to us. Do you think that we have held back on spending money on players we could get (but wouldn't really push us on) until we opened doors to this newer, higher calibre player who wanted to see top half finishes and more exciting football?
I'm starting to think so, but I'm already too excited about this summer I think...
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Post by elystokie on Apr 19, 2015 14:37:26 GMT
Sounds good to me (thumbsup)
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 19, 2015 14:49:09 GMT
Dont think thats a bad logic. I think the money is there but we have decided it will only be for players younger than 25/26 and who should have resale value. Not only that we are looking in markets where we will get more player for our money i.e europe.
Not only that but we needed to decrease spending for a few years because the clubs debt was only going up. Does it sit around £30m at the moment? There is wasted expenditure in the squad. As we expect to lose quite a few players this time (Palacios, Sorensen, Odemwingie, Wilko) and with probably Ness, Huth following them thats a massive wage cost out the door without considering the likes of Adam or maybe Cameron also on the way. And Shea has gone already.
No matter how you look at it we will have a massive gap in wage spending this year, and you would of thought given the less capital spend in other transfer windows and the increased premier league money we should be ready to spend big as long as its the right player.
Given whats been said about the academy too I imagine there will be two or three new prospects bought in to bolster the U21s.
If the team finishes 8th he will get more from a higher position and an OK run in the FA Cup.
Its been said before but I just cant see it being anything but a massive summer for Stoke. And for what its worth I wouldnt be surprised to see Bego still with us expecting big signings.
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Post by trigger on Apr 19, 2015 14:54:08 GMT
I'd be more inclined to believe that we haven't got the wage structure to attract players and their agents to the club.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 19, 2015 14:55:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 14:59:03 GMT
I think it's simple. The owners want the club to be self sufficient and will only spend what we get in through the door.
If Begovic goes we will spend a bit of the TV money plus what he gets us and if not it will be more of the same.
Freebies, loans and cheap options.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 19, 2015 15:05:28 GMT
Would not be surprised to see Teixiera gone in the summer, either on loan or sold. He doesn't appear to be in Sparky's plans. He had opportunities to bring him on and didn't. Hasn't played for U-21.
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Post by hartzchoco on Apr 19, 2015 15:12:24 GMT
Once we're healthy again, I don't see the need to spend a shit ton.
5 mil for Borini should just about do it, I would think.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 15:20:58 GMT
Plenty of money coming into our coffers but even so, we do not need to be profilgate. Looking for value and opening supply lines to good younger players with pace and residual value - surely the model we have adopted ?  and this will continue Try before you buy is also good (as we are doing with Wooly) Palacios gone very soon ----- HOORAY - just a bad deal And - as my brother says - good as they've been (very good) - We have got to be now looking beyond SJW and Glenn Whelan too i.e. to augment with real cutting edge pacey competition for their places in the summer in short - we can now do better -far better (Cattermole FFS !) and I can point to Everton and Luakaku as a perfect illustration of how EASY IT IS to waste very large sums of your money in the market we now surf and Victor Moses, lets not forget his contribution - hope we can sign him for a realistic fee given, his injury issues - Id love to take him |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 19, 2015 15:27:29 GMT
If the model is to sign younger players with pace and residual value then there is some hard work to be done. Without laying any blame on Mark Hughes, if anything the transfers of the last two years have done nothing to either lower the average age of the squad or increase the residual values, with maybe one or two exceptions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 15:31:18 GMT
err Pieters - ARNIE - Assaidi - Moses - Odemwingie - loaners and signings
have not upped the pace or residual value in our team ??????
excuse me !
I think pretty much everything Mark Hughes has done transfer wise - has been very astute
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 19, 2015 15:33:38 GMT
I thought toney you said signings, pace, younger and residual values?
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Post by YounginStoke on Apr 19, 2015 16:07:30 GMT
I thought toney you said signings, pace, younger and residual values? Bojan 24, pacey, 500k- 5-6 million with potential for much more Diouf 26, Lightning, free- 4-5 million maybe more? Arnie 24, bit of pace, 2 million- 5/6 million, more if performances become consistent Muniesa, 22, versatile, free- 3 million with potential for much more. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 16:16:05 GMT
yep those too - quick as - shit off a shovel
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 19, 2015 16:16:28 GMT
I'm simply saying YS there is much hard work to be done, on another thread someone asked if we are the new Southampton, they sold four players for £88 million pounds.
In terms of the present squad Odemwingie is 33, Bardsley 29, Ireland 28, Sidwell 32, and non Hughes signings Whelan 31, Cameron 29, Walters 31 and Crouch 34.
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Post by YounginStoke on Apr 19, 2015 16:25:26 GMT
I'm simply saying YS there is much hard work to be done, on another thread someone asked if we are the new Southampton, they sold four players for £88 million pounds. In terms of the present squad Odemwingie is 31, Bardsley 29, Ireland 28, Sidwell 32, and non Hughes signings Whelan 31, Cameron 29, Walters 31 and Crouch 34. Three of whom came from the academy? Ours of which has needed to see massive amounts of money pumped into it and therefore won't start to bear fruit for 5 years at least, last time I checked that wasn't Hughes' fault or Cartwrights or Scholes? |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 19, 2015 16:33:46 GMT
I'm not blaming anyone YS and whereas Academies are important there is no strong evidence that many clubs have produced like Southampton. I think what I'm trying to get across is that Hughes will require a significant amount of money and the idea that we are turning out gems for little outlay and we can continue like that is risky, in my opinion.
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Post by YounginStoke on Apr 19, 2015 16:36:41 GMT
I'm not blaming anyone YS and whereas Academies are important there is no strong evidence that many clubs have produced like Southampton. I think what I'm trying to get across is that Hughes will require a significant amount of money and the idea that we are turning out gems for little outlay and we can continue like that is risky, in my opinion. Hughes recently said himself in pre match press conference that at some point in the future, the squad will need to be re invested in significantly, now for me he wouldn't have signed a new long term extension if he knew that we would have to carry on signing players for little outlay, he must have had some backing that he will be able to reinvest a significant amount of money at some point in future windows. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 19, 2015 17:07:11 GMT
I honestly believe that financial fair play has a lot to do with our paltry spending since Hughes took over, under Pulis we were spending more than our total income from all sources, this has had to be addressed before we could invest more money, I would say that we are close to doing that and may well have some scope for bigger spending this summer. Pulis left us with financial issues part of the legacy ?
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 19, 2015 17:07:45 GMT
Nice theory but I think it is trying to fit the facts after the event. I'm sure Stoke have tried to sign players for significant outlay but have been thwarted by excessive transfer fee demanded or excessive wages demanded, or simply being turned down because the individual didn't fancy playing for Stoke or was advised not to play for Stoke by someone. (I can remember a story that John Toshak was advised not to come to Stoke when Waddington had him watch loads of times when he was playing for Cardiff, by someone I'd prefer not to name.)
Events have changed in the last 12 months with Bojan being such a success and Stoke lying in the top ten, so I think we are now more attractive and, as you have pointed out in the original post, the club has aggregated financial reserves during the last 2 years to place it in a better position to make a significant outlay.
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Post by a.d.faye.god on Apr 19, 2015 17:26:33 GMT
Nice theory but I think it is trying to fit the facts after the event. I'm sure Stoke have tried to sign players for significant outlay but have been thwarted by excessive transfer fee demanded or excessive wages demanded, or simply being turned down because the individual didn't fancy playing for Stoke or was advised not to play for Stoke by someone. (I can remember a story that John Toshak was advised not to come to Stoke when Waddington had him watch loads of times when he was playing for Cardiff, by someone I'd prefer not to name.) Events have changed in the last 12 months with Bojan being such a success and Stoke lying in the top ten, so I think we are now more attractive and, as you have pointed out in the original post, the club has aggregated financial reserves during the last 2 years to place it in a better position to make a significant outlay. I know what you mean with ffp, but I do think if a player actually wants to go play somewhere they become a lot more flexible in negotiations. All the op was trying to say is I wouldn't be too surprised if the last two seasons make a big difference in the type of players we can attract. Or maybe I have red and white striped glasses on and it really is all about cold hard cash.  |
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Post by Binndy on Apr 20, 2015 1:14:58 GMT
Next season we need to win the likes of blackburn and Arsenal away. A mixture of players needed. Under 26, including u21s.
It about who we can attract , that player is right for us.
There is more an issue of wage demands. Than an reasonable price tag.
Next season we will have crouchy and the w players etc. What about thelonger term.stoke city do need to bring in the right players for us.
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Post by chaydlestokie on Apr 20, 2015 2:37:51 GMT
Stoke received £44.5 million quid in the 2012/13 season, for finishing 15th. Last year we got £75.5 million for 9th. This year its going to be considerably more if we can match last year. Hughes wouldnt have signed his contract extension if the money wasnt going to be there this summer. I think the board would have had to more or less guarantee him funding. This is going to be a very interesting summer. |
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