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Post by murphthesurf on Jul 24, 2018 18:21:59 GMT
I am probably the last one of the generation to actually use it . "Sayings " like this should be preserved in some kind of oral historical reference book . I often wondered how or why the Potteries people used the phrase so willingly given the geographical distance between S-on-T and the Wrekin. Is it a MIdlands expression in general or just something that we used in the Potteries ? Historically , the Potteries people and that part of Shropshire were linked by a tribe of people going back to Roman times and beyond . It all makes for very interesting stuff , that will be lost forever once my generation has gone . A small insignificant piece of local history vanishes in the mists of time..... I still say 'all round the Wrekin'........... Here you are, Ray - this was on page 3. And there'll be another to follow this in a mo.......
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Post by murphthesurf on Jul 24, 2018 18:23:16 GMT
According to Wiki "All around the Wrekin" or "Running round the Wrekin" is a phrase common in Shropshire, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Wolverhampton, Walsall, Stafford, Birmingham and around to mean "the long way round", in the same way that "round the houses" is used more widely. "To all friends around the Wrekin", meanwhile, is a toast traditionally used in Shropshire, especially at Christmas and New Year. This is the other one, Ray.
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Post by murphthesurf on Jul 24, 2018 18:29:40 GMT
A few years ago I was working in S Devon and had Students from mainly the S Coast and Home Counties. I was genuinely shocked when they had no comprehension of what I was talking about when I used the expressions; “You are going all around the Wrecking.”&. “It’s a bit black over Bills Mothers.” Are these peculiar to N Staffs, or just N of Watford ? Going on to page 5 buggered up showing the two above follow-ups to your questions, Ray! Re. the 'Bill's mother's' quote I've heard it lots in this area and imagine it's local but don't know for sure - maybe most areas have variations on the same theme?
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Post by murphthesurf on Jul 24, 2018 18:53:42 GMT
Right, here we are - on the u/m BBC web page it says: 'It's looking a bit black over Bill's mother's':It's looking a bit black over Bill's mother's is often heard in the English Midlands when dark clouds appear on the horizon, heralding rain. But who is Bill? Some believe "Bill" refers to William Shakespeare, whose mother Mary Arden lived in Stratford-Upon-Avon. However, the smart money is on Kaiser Wilhelm II, the last German emperor & king of Prussia, abdicating at the end of World War I. Germany's foreign policy at that time echoed Wilhelm's changeable and blustering character, according to the Open University. Black Country poet Brendan Hawthorne said: "If there was stormy weather coming from the East they would say it's black over Bill's mother's." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37550178
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 25, 2018 7:00:52 GMT
Right, here we are - on the u/m BBC web page it says: 'It's looking a bit black over Bill's mother's':It's looking a bit black over Bill's mother's is often heard in the English Midlands when dark clouds appear on the horizon, heralding rain. But who is Bill? Some believe "Bill" refers to William Shakespeare, whose mother Mary Arden lived in Stratford-Upon-Avon. However, the smart money is on Kaiser Wilhelm II, the last German emperor & king of Prussia, abdicating at the end of World War I. Germany's foreign policy at that time echoed Wilhelm's changeable and blustering character, according to the Open University. Black Country poet Brendan Hawthorne said: "If there was stormy weather coming from the East they would say it's black over Bill's mother's." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37550178 Thanks for that. I clearly remember my Dad saying It’s a bit Black over Bills mother’s when I was VERY young. As I am sure many others also did I asked “ Who is Bill ?” The reply was “ There is bound to be someone over there who has a son named Bill” Many years and a generation later I had exactly the same conversation with my own children. 👶
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 25, 2018 9:23:13 GMT
The common phrase used to show the Pottery dialect is the Costna kick a bow... one. But my granddad used to say to my Lancashire cousins Anner any onya any onya. Haven't any of you any on you usually when trying to cadge (another local word?) a fag off them!
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jul 25, 2018 9:37:49 GMT
On one of my lovely Naval drafts, I would get asked to say ‘go look in a cook book’ as my potteries accent would somehow render this phrase amusing. Simple things...etc
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Post by murphthesurf on Jul 25, 2018 9:40:56 GMT
The common phrase used to show the Pottery dialect is the Costna kick a bow... one. But my granddad used to say to my Lancashire cousins Anner any onya any onya. Haven't any of you any on you usually when trying to cadge (another local word?) a fag off them! Yes, that's it perfectly re. people trying to cadge ciggies. I nearly put that one on here yesterday. I think the reply, if someone didn't have any, was 'Ar onna'. 'No' became sort-of 'niow' or 'neow'. Re. the first one, I thought it was 'Cost kick a bow.......' etc., rather than 'Costna kick a bow.....'? Ie. 'Can you kick a ball', not 'can't you kick a ball.....'
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Post by murphthesurf on Jul 25, 2018 9:42:51 GMT
On one of my lovely Naval drafts, I would get asked to say ‘go look in a cook book’ as my potteries accent would somehow render this phrase amusing. Simple things...etc Lewk in a kewk bewk! Or goo back skiwwal!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 25, 2018 10:43:54 GMT
The common phrase used to show the Pottery dialect is the Costna kick a bow... one. But my granddad used to say to my Lancashire cousins Anner any onya any onya. Haven't any of you any on you usually when trying to cadge (another local word?) a fag off them! Yes, that's it perfectly re. people trying to cadge ciggies. I nearly put that one on here yesterday. I think the reply, if someone didn't have any, was 'Ar onna'. 'No' became sort-of 'niow' or 'neow'. Re. the first one, I thought it was 'Cost kick a bow.......' etc., rather than 'Costna kick a bow.....'? Ie. 'Can you kick a ball', not 'can't you kick a ball.....' Heard it said both ways. Locally (Fenton) it was more often Costna but Granddad Piggott etc Cost. Bosuned (pronounced bow son ed) came to mind this morning but I'm not sure if I made that one up! At bosuned yet?
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Post by murphthesurf on Jul 25, 2018 11:04:06 GMT
Yes, that's it perfectly re. people trying to cadge ciggies. I nearly put that one on here yesterday. I think the reply, if someone didn't have any, was 'Ar onna'. 'No' became sort-of 'niow' or 'neow'. Re. the first one, I thought it was 'Cost kick a bow.......' etc., rather than 'Costna kick a bow.....'? Ie. 'Can you kick a ball', not 'can't you kick a ball.....' Heard it said both ways. Locally (Fenton) it was more often Costna but Granddad Piggott etc Cost. Bosuned (pronounced bow son ed) came to mind this morning but I'm not sure if I made that one up! At bosuned yet? I've never, ever heard that one, Clayton - although Cheesy did mention it on page 2 of this thread.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 25, 2018 11:12:16 GMT
On one of my lovely Naval drafts, I would get asked to say ‘go look in a cook book’ as my potteries accent would somehow render this phrase amusing. Simple things...etc Lewk in a kewk bewk! Or goo back skiwwal! I regularly get the piss taken out of me down here in Somerset for my way of saying book, look and cook (bewk, lewk & kewk) Even by my own kids, who have southern accents (buk, luk & kuk). Pissing southern softies!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 25, 2018 11:18:39 GMT
Heard it said both ways. Locally (Fenton) it was more often Costna but Granddad Piggott etc Cost. Bosuned (pronounced bow son ed) came to mind this morning but I'm not sure if I made that one up! At bosuned yet? I've never, ever heard that one, Clayton - although Cheesy did mention it on page 2 of this thread. Ah missed that one, thanks. Arm bosund = I'm full when I was a kid, so it is real. A few on here I didn't know www.brownedge.com/local-dialect/ Came across this when I googled rumpty fizzer! I'll admit I was taking a risk with that one as anything could have turned up!! Thay't a rate rumpty fizzer
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 25, 2018 11:28:46 GMT
On asking where someone is I would often be told, “They’ve gone Crewe for two eggs”(not)
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Post by yeokel on Jul 25, 2018 11:30:55 GMT
On asking where someone is I would often be told, “They’ve gone Crewe for two eggs”(not) My uncle used to say "They've gone to Crewe to get a mangle".
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Post by murphthesurf on Jul 25, 2018 12:15:42 GMT
I've never, ever heard that one, Clayton - although Cheesy did mention it on page 2 of this thread. Ah missed that one, thanks. Arm bosund = I'm full when I was a kid, so it is real. A few on here I didn't know www.brownedge.com/local-dialect/ Came across this when I googled rumpty fizzer! I'll admit I was taking a risk with that one as anything could have turned up!! Thay't a rate rumpty fizzer That's a great link for a long list of local words, thank you, especially as he compiled it alphabetically. I've never heard of probably the majority of the words, but many of those already listed in this thread appear on it, eg. crossomical and chonnock. A few we haven't had yet on here, but which I remembered when I saw them in the link, are: off-side = slightly unwell lug = knot in hair pobs = bread and hot milk (typically served to a young child who's been ill) franked = late for work ever likely = no wonder
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 25, 2018 12:22:28 GMT
Pumps(gym shoes, not farts) They call them Daps down here!
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jul 25, 2018 13:01:12 GMT
Here's some real Owd un's with Anglo Saxon old English background .... Shonnock ....turnip Warrent .....drain stream or canal Snappin .... Suff ... Mow Cop midden Wom Pieces ...sandwiches I know „Wom“ is home in your neck of the woods... but in Anglo-Saxon the direct translation is „Ham“ (with an accent). The later (in Germany) became Heim which means Home!! Hence Heimland... homeland 😌😌😌 I love languages... one day I’ll learn Latin... my daughter‘s new school is teaching it to kids and adults from September.
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 26, 2018 7:30:13 GMT
Latin is the base language for many European languages, English, French , Spanish etc
As a result many words are the same or similar but often pronounced differently.
Take French and English. Most words ending in ing and. able are the same. Think of a word ending in able and say it in a Hello Hello accent and its French.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 29, 2018 8:52:41 GMT
Seym rent - broken. Or possibly unconscious - ays bin knocked seym rent, er gave im a rayte sog*.
*severe punch.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 29, 2018 12:55:53 GMT
Here's some real Owd un's with Anglo Saxon old English background .... Shonnock ....turnip Warrent .....drain stream or canal Snappin .... Suff ... Mow Cop midden Wom Pieces ...sandwiches I know „Wom“ is home in your neck of the woods... but in Anglo-Saxon the direct translation is „Ham“ (with an accent). The later (in Germany) became Heim which means Home!! Hence Heimland... homeland 😌😌😌 I love languages... one day I’ll learn Latin... my daughter‘s new school is teaching it to kids and adults from September. Don’t I did it at school it’s fuckin nightmare inducing. If you want to no why the Roman Empire fell it’s because no fucker understood what they were on about. My cousin was a Roman Catholic Bishop and was fluent in the thing and he agreed it was stupid. Life of Brian explains it brilliantly never a truer word said in jest.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 10, 2018 8:30:00 GMT
Stan aswire - move aside.
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Post by felonious on Aug 11, 2018 6:59:37 GMT
I know „Wom“ is home in your neck of the woods... but in Anglo-Saxon the direct translation is „Ham“ (with an accent). The later (in Germany) became Heim which means Home!! Hence Heimland... homeland 😌😌😌 I love languages... one day I’ll learn Latin... my daughter‘s new school is teaching it to kids and adults from September. Don’t I did it at school it’s fuckin nightmare inducing. If you want to no why the Roman Empire fell it’s because no fucker understood what they were on about. My cousin was a Roman Catholic Bishop and was fluent in the thing and he agreed it was stupid. Life of Brian explains it brilliantly never a truer word said in jest. A brilliant scene amongst many.
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Post by murphthesurf on May 13, 2021 18:18:32 GMT
Bump...... Time for an enccore for anyone who would like another little look at our earlier compilation of efforts towards a Stokie phrase book..
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