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Post by salopstick on Mar 31, 2015 19:08:49 GMT
Maybe it's more to do with ground layout.
Our netting segregates properly in relation to concourse exits.
Plus my seat is next to netting and i would be pissed off if the netting moved
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 31, 2015 19:11:39 GMT
I can tell you where the regulations come from. It's the Green Guide which lays down safety standards for football grounds. See page 119 para 12.16 www.safetyatsportsgrounds.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/green-guide.pdfThat's where the 14 seats comes from. What is not clear from the Supporters' Council minutes is why that necessitates such a wide segregation band, which is presumably what the safety officer was asked to explain in the meeting. There can't be more than 28 seats between the 2 gangways because it is sometimes used just for home fans with no division, so it's not clear why to comply with that regulation you couldn't have no netting, with 14 seats on one side for home fans and 14 on the other for away fans. You couldn't do that in practice, of course, if there is any netting at all, but I can't see why the 14 seats rule dictates the width of the netting - maybe I'm missing something The point is Macolm, why do clubs like Tottenham , Chelsea and Arsenal not have to abide by a 14 seats rule if we do? BM I'm sure they do have to, and that there won't be any seats in their stadia which are more than 14 from a gangway. What I can't work out is why that requires such a wide segregation area, and the SC minutes don't explain that.
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Post by BristolMick on Mar 31, 2015 19:16:32 GMT
The point is Macolm, why do clubs like Tottenham , Chelsea and Arsenal not have to abide by a 14 seats rule if we do? BM I'm sure they do have to, and that there won't be any seats in their stadia which are more than 14 from a gangway. What I can't work out is why that requires such a wide segregation area, and the SC minutes don't explain that. Ok I understand. In which case it's disappointing that no one on the supporters council questioned the club properly on it at the meeting isn't it?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 31, 2015 19:37:01 GMT
I'm sure they do have to, and that there won't be any seats in their stadia which are more than 14 from a gangway. What I can't work out is why that requires such a wide segregation area, and the SC minutes don't explain that. Ok I understand. In which case it's disappointing that no one on the supporters council questioned the club properly on it at the meeting isn't it? Either that or the minutes don't properly record the explanation, although I still can't work out as a matter of logic how the 14 seats rule could be relevant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 21:01:36 GMT
Noting the material about segregation in the minutes - the restrictions that imposes - seating restrictions in the family stand - inability to re locate families (whove out grown the family ticketing) together elsewhere in the ground ?
We also have (by all accounts) one of the highest ground occupancies in the Premier league (96% plus is it not ? - match day ticketing pricing is far too high for higher category games and, there are restrictions on the casual fans trying to get tickets together, that are now long standing and well known.
and then-
Absolutely nothing mentioned about offering customers additional seating by filling a corner in ?????????????????????
a taboo subject ?
look around the premier league -see whats happening - wake up and smell the bloody coffee for pitys sake !
Meanwhile in 'COMFORTABLY NUMB' S.OT. - no one (apparently) even dare mention putting a few hundreds of extra seats in one bloody corner ?
not even a supporters council ?
it should be on the agenda for every single bloody meeting by now !
'mickey mouse' - 'small minded' and 'smalltown' are not the words
is it the bloody car parking ? - is our club that incompetent to allow that to restrict us ?
rather pathetic - all in all
(PS - maybe our bloody ground is too big for us - like Cardiff perhaps ? ?)
soon will be - if this club doesnt recognise in all things - you move on, - you evolve when opportunity presents (and right now it bloody well does)
or, you become extinct
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Post by ange1 on Mar 31, 2015 21:41:35 GMT
ukyestoney if you wish to take the trouble to read previous council minutes you will see that we have asked re filling in the corners several times and the responses are there. Bristol Mick. I believe we did question the club, whether "properly" or not is open to debate. We were told that the segregation complies with H+S and it takes into consideration the position of home and away fans in relation to the concourse areas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 21:43:41 GMT
as I said should be an ongoing agenda item - just so bloody frustrating people are not grasping the importance of doing this right now
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Post by ange1 on Mar 31, 2015 21:50:31 GMT
We remind the club often.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 1, 2015 7:09:27 GMT
ukyestoney if you wish to take the trouble to read previous council minutes you will see that we have asked re filling in the corners several times and the responses are there. Bristol Mick. I believe we did question the club, whether "properly" or not is open to debate. We were told that the segregation complies with H+S and it takes into consideration the position of home and away fans in relation to the concourse areas. Segregation - When considering segregation the Club has to follow the green guide which states that there must be 14 seats from an aisle, along with the requirement for stewards to have somewhere to stand, dictates the width of the netting which segregates the home fans from the away fans in the Marston's Pedigree (south) Stand. We are also constrained by the concourse arrangements in terms of segregating fans, and this means that we have standard arrangements for segregation depending on which allocation of tickets the away Club takes up. I am trying to understand what the above minute actually means. Looking at the first sentence, as previously stated, because the area is sometimes used by just home fans with no netting, the block cannot be more than 28 seats wide, otherwise it would not be green guide compliant. In that situation, the only way I can interpret the first sentence would be that the safety officer feels he needs to have the stewards on the segregation line standing in an aisle, not among empty seats. If so, then it would indeed be necessary to net off a large width on the away fans side, to avoid any of them being more than 14 seats away from an aisle. Is this what actually happens and there are no home fans to the right of that aisle (as you look from the pitch) ? If there are home fans to the right, then I cannot see how the 14 seats requirement is relevant. You could reduce the width of the netting to make more seats available to home fans without breaching the 14 seat rule. Assuming that my explanation above is correct, it raises the separate question of whether the safety officer's requirement that the stewards should be in an aisle is more prescriptive than that of his colleagues at other grounds, and if so, why. Whatever the explanation, it is certainly true that our segregation netting is much wider than those we see at almost every other ground we visit, and it is this which fans can't understand and why it is regularly raised.
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Post by miggo on Apr 2, 2015 9:33:54 GMT
Does seem strange either we (the club) are not reading the regulations correctly or other clubs just don't abide to the regulations.
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