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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 11:38:28 GMT
From Buckley - just over the border -actually in Wales
Having a welsh surname myself here's the thing
I always slag off the idea of Ryan Shawcross Playing for England
Not least because
a) they are a bunch of overrated - overpaid wasters - representing an equally useless and inept - fat - bloated - incompetent FA, guaranteed to choke when it comes to the real matches
(i.e they will never win fuck all as long as they've got holes in there arses) (neither would Wales really but at least, they're not delusional about such things)
b) Ryan Has been ingored to the point of insult by the regime
c)Hung out to dry are the only words you can use for his single cameo appearence
d) Worst of all - another cap for that shower would signal his pretty much instant departure from Stoke City
e) He is our captain - our rock - our leader and indespensible
Whereas:-
e) He could represent wales - the land of his birth
f) They are on the up (vey much so)
g) He would be appreciated much more there and develop himself on an international stage
H)He would satisfy any personal ambiton to play at international level without the likleyhood of him being snapped up just for having another England cap
SO ---------------- given its not England (bunch of choking overrated wankers anyways)
whats not to like - if you are a Stoke fan ?
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 11:44:06 GMT
Ryan doesn't want to play for Wales, unlike you toney he is showing loyalty.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2015 11:45:09 GMT
Born in Buckley - just over the border -actually in wales Having a welsh surname myself here's the thing I always slag off the idea of Ryan Shawcross Playing for England Not least because a) they are a bunch of overrated - overpaid wasters - representing an equally useless and inept - fat - bloated - incompetent FA, guaranteed to choke when it comes to the real matches (i.e they will never win fuck all as long as they've got holes in there arses) b) Ryan Has been ingored to the point of insult by the regime c)Hung out to dry are the only words you can use for his single cameo appearence d) Worst of all - another cap for that shower would signal his pretty much instant departure from Stoke City e) He is our captain - our rock - our leader and indespensible Whereas:- e) He could represent wales - the land of his birth f) They are on the up (vey much so) g) He would be appreciated much more there and develop himself on an international stage H)He would satisfy any personal ambiton to play at international level without the likleyhood of him being snapped up just for having another England cap SO ---------------- given its not England (bunch of choking overrated wankers anyways) whats not to like - if you are a Stoke fan ? He's entirely unsuited to International football..... so I've been told by some on here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 11:45:21 GMT
Geoff 321 - Pity theres no loyalty coming the other way
Hes the obvious consistent stand out number 1 - 2 centre half in the country bar none and treated disgracefully by them
and hes as much Welsh as English
and given our 'mighty national sides' recent 'awesome' track record - whats to be loyal about ?
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on Mar 29, 2015 11:57:04 GMT
We're I Ryan I'd do much the same thing. However I do wonder whether there's some permission boundary going on with Ramsay. It's his decision after all.... Lol.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 11:57:16 GMT
Let's put the Sweden game into some sort of context and for a brief moment see it from Roy Hodgsons' point of view. England were beating Sweden 2-1 and he decides it's a good time to give Ryan a debut as he did with Harry Kane the other night. Sixteen minutes later we are 4-2 down and our defence has collapsed.
What might Roy Hodgson be thinking at the final whistle?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2015 12:01:58 GMT
What might Roy Hodgson be thinking at the final whistle? Blimey I sold that young lad down the river? Oh sorry you said, Hodgson, that's what someone with decency would have thought. Woy was probably thinking of Chris Smalling in his pants or where to buy his next pair of pyjamas from.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 12:03:43 GMT
Not that I want him to play for England, but surely he deserves another chance. Look who they threw Kane on against. Woy is just another Stoke hater. This is a reply to Geoff by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 12:03:54 GMT
I could not care what Roy Hodgson would think about an expired yoghurt in my fridge right now - and even less, what he thinks about anything associated with Football
£4m a year hes taking out of our game right now - so - to me - its personal
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Post by boscfc on Mar 29, 2015 12:05:27 GMT
Let's put the Sweden game into some sort of context and for a brief moment see it from Roy Hodgsons' point of view. England were beating Sweden 2-1 and he decides it's a good time to give Ryan a debut as he did with Harry Kane the other night. Sixteen minutes later we are 4-2 down and our defence has collapsed. What might Roy Hodgson be thinking at the final whistle? No idea. What I do know is that only a football dinosaur with the management and motivational ability of my scrotum would a) pin all blame on Ryan for the defeat, and b) cut him out of any future squad based on 20 odd minutes of play. .... Oh ....
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 12:06:15 GMT
How momo did he sell him down the river? If Ryan was in the squad for a tournament he would potentially have to come on with 20 minutes to go and face some of the best strikers in the World.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 29, 2015 12:10:02 GMT
Let's put the Sweden game into some sort of context and for a brief moment see it from Roy Hodgsons' point of view. England were beating Sweden 2-1 and he decides it's a good time to give Ryan a debut as he did with Harry Kane the other night. Sixteen minutes later we are 4-2 down and our defence has collapsed. What might Roy Hodgson be thinking at the final whistle? You're at it again Geoff, very good, I think that could get a fair few bites
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 29, 2015 12:10:35 GMT
Let's put the Sweden game into some sort of context and for a brief moment see it from Roy Hodgsons' point of view. England were beating Sweden 2-1 and he decides it's a good time to give Ryan a debut as he did with Harry Kane the other night. Sixteen minutes later we are 4-2 down and our defence has collapsed. What might Roy Hodgson be thinking at the final whistle? What do you think Hodgson might be thinking after this; Remember that ain't Zlatan at his best - it's the "never was much cop" Kenny Miller well past his.
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 29, 2015 12:17:02 GMT
How momo did he sell him down the river? If Ryan was in the squad for a tournament he would potentially have to come on with 20 minutes to go and face some of the best strikers in the World. Potentially, yes, but there isn't any need to start him off at that level. When I showed a bit of potential at running my parents didn't immediately sign me up for a 100 metre race with Ben Johnson, Carl Lewis and Linford Christie. Young cyclists aren't immediately entered into the Tour de France the minute they turn professional Work experience grease monkeys aren't immediately put in the pit lane on Formula 1 Why - because they need to build up to that and if they have a bad initial performance it can dent confidence and potentially damage their chances of realising their full potential. Thinking about it, Roy's treatment of Ryan was almost negligent. Based on that I certainly wouldn't trust him with coaching any youngsters
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 29, 2015 12:17:05 GMT
I'd think less of him if he did a U turn.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 29, 2015 12:29:00 GMT
You're not Ryan Shawcross.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 29, 2015 12:29:38 GMT
Let's put the Sweden game into some sort of context and for a brief moment see it from Roy Hodgsons' point of view. England were beating Sweden 2-1 and he decides it's a good time to give Ryan a debut as he did with Harry Kane the other night. Sixteen minutes later we are 4-2 down and our defence has collapsed. What might Roy Hodgson be thinking at the final whistle? Let's put what Roy hodgson did in some sort of context and for a brief moment see it from a Stoke fan's point of view. Shawcross got done like a kipper put up against one of the top 5 strikers in the world half way through a game minutes into an international debut, a debut he dreamed of and was eager to impress. Roy should have eased him in against San marino then gave him a start against Sweden to get a better judge. The travesty is Roy went on to put a lot of blame on Ryan. Fast forward a few months to see an experienced champions league and international defender gets done like a kipper put up against Kenny fucking Miller and Roy is hypocritically silent in the matter. Ryan may or may not be good enough for England. It's a good debate however what is not up for debate is the way Roy Hodgson has never gave him enough time, a suitable game or an other chance to see if he was good enough. He is an idiot and any ounce of support or understanding of woy is completely bollocks Is Harry Kane good enough to be an England regular. Hard to gauge yet but Roy has done it the right way. Rather than start him against Italy for a potential nightmare debut he brings him on against a small team with the team comfortably leading and he has a dream debut. Shawcross could and should have been afforded the same treatment. However kane plays for a big london media friendly team
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2015 12:33:47 GMT
Let's put the Sweden game into some sort of context and for a brief moment see it from Roy Hodgsons' point of view. England were beating Sweden 2-1 and he decides it's a good time to give Ryan a debut as he did with Harry Kane the other night. Sixteen minutes later we are 4-2 down and our defence has collapsed. What might Roy Hodgson be thinking at the final whistle? Let's put what Roy hodgson did in some sort of context and for a brief moment see it from a Stoke fan's point of view. Shawcross got done like a kipper put up against one of the top 5 strikers in the world half way through a game minutes into an international debut, a debut he dreamed of and was eager to impress. Roy should have eased him in against San marino then gave him a start against Sweden to get a better judge. The travesty is Roy went on to put a lot of blame on Ryan. Fast forward a few months to see an experienced champions league and international defender gets done like a kipper put up against Kenny fucking Milker and Roy is hypocritically silent in the matter. Ryan may or may not be good enough for England. It's a good debate however what is not up for debate is the way Roy Hodgson has never gave him enough time, a suitable game or an other chance to see if he was good enough. He is an idiot and any ounce of support or understanding of woy is completely bollocks This Geoff, is impossible to refute.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 12:45:51 GMT
It was Caulkers' first cap and he had 74 minutes facing one of the best strikers in the World, was he done like a kipper salop?
I don't know if Ryan is good enough to be in the England squad, hopefully his performances with Stoke will get him a further call up.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 29, 2015 12:46:16 GMT
I could not care what Roy Hodgson would think about an expired yoghurt in my fridge right now - and even less, what he thinks about anything associated with Football £4m a year hes taking out of our game right now - so - to me - its personal What flavour yoghurt?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2015 12:50:43 GMT
It was Caulkers' first cap and he had 74 minutes facing one of the best strikers in the World, was he done like a kipper salop? I don't know if Ryan is good enough to be in the England squad, hopefully his performances with Stoke will get him a further call up. From that comment Geoff it is clear you have never played football. Either that or you're on a wind up. If you've ever been brought on as a sub you will know it is a nightmare to try and get up to speed even in a local park game let alone against International opposition. It is much easier to start a game, as a defender, against a forward who is equally as cold.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2015 12:52:48 GMT
I could not care what Roy Hodgson would think about an expired yoghurt in my fridge right now - and even less, what he thinks about anything associated with Football £4m a year hes taking out of our game right now - so - to me - its personal What flavour yoghurt? Sour grape?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 12:54:34 GMT
Apparently 'Im not Ryan Shawcross' (why even type that ?????)
and the yoghurt was a metaphore but if you like, it can be peach and mango
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 29, 2015 12:56:07 GMT
You're not Ryan Shawcross. You're kidding
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 29, 2015 12:59:57 GMT
It was Caulkers' first cap and he had 74 minutes facing one of the best strikers in the World, was he done like a kipper salop? I don't know if Ryan is good enough to be in the England squad, hopefully his performances with Stoke will get him a further call up. Caulker was utterly atrocious for 20 minutes but grew into the game. Again, an opportunity not really afforded to Shawcross.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 13:05:54 GMT
Just watching Chris Smalling talking England on SSN right now - I originally put this post on because
1) we are right in the middle of a international break 'no news Sunday'
2) Stoke fans bemoaning still - that our lad is not being selected
But, seeing Chris Smalling on there just now - talking England stuff puts the whole bloody thing in crystal clear perspective
especially given that :- even die hard United fans I personally know, openly admit, he's not fit to lace Ryans boots
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 29, 2015 13:18:43 GMT
In the Sweden game Hodgson had made two substitutions at 61 minutes and then when leading 2-1 he brought on Huddlestone, Jenkinson and Shawcross after 74 minutes. Clearly he wanted to win the game so he wouldn't have made any of these substitutions in an attempt to hang any players out too dry.
The game at 2-1 with sixteen minutes left and Sweden chasing an equaliser would have given him a chance to see how the substitutes would play and handle the pressure, for the life of me I cannot see what is wrong with that.
The issue now is whether Hodgson has written Shawcross out of his plans for the future and that hard too call.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 13:23:21 GMT
err too hard to call ?
perhaps Adolf Hitler was 'misunderstood' too ?
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 29, 2015 13:23:58 GMT
Apparently 'Im not Ryan Shawcross' (why even type that ?????) and the yoghurt was a metaphore but if you like, it can be peach and mango The heading to your thread, or have you forgotten in other words you are not Ryan, Ryan will make his own decision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 13:28:39 GMT
dear oh dear - glad for the 'thought police' intervening on this one
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