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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 15:55:37 GMT
But didn't Liverpool recall him, surely it was not down to us. And am I the only one who is happy that, if the players don't fit, we don't bring them in for the sake of it anymore. When a player is loaned out for the season he can only be recalled if Liverpool, Stoke and Assaidi himself agree ...Chelsea trying to get Moses back highlighted this It can only happen in the window ..Otherwise it stays for the season Well we must have agreed then. Either way I think Liverpool were getting rid.
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Post by trigger on Mar 28, 2015 15:56:17 GMT
Complete PR exercise from the club, saying & actually doing comes to mind.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 15:57:05 GMT
It doesn't matter whose decision it was, the outcome was that we were short in that area and thus a replacement was needed. It wouldn't have been for the sake of it, it would have been filling that gap. Filling the gap in the squad for the sake of it. If the right player is not available to us then I believe we move on. What do you mean, for the sake of it? How is replacing something you've lost 'for the sake of it'? Assaidi was crap this time round but he was a quick option off the bench against tiring legs. We now don't have anything like that. There was nobody beyond a knackered Walters to come against Palace and precious few options at West Brom either.
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Post by werrington on Mar 28, 2015 15:57:49 GMT
When a player is loaned out for the season he can only be recalled if Liverpool, Stoke and Assaidi himself agree ...Chelsea trying to get Moses back highlighted this It can only happen in the window ..Otherwise it stays for the season Well we must have agreed then. Either way I think Liverpool were getting rid. We did agree mate It only needs one of the 3 parties to say no and the loan stays Liverpool couldn't recall him, Stoke couldn't send him back and the player could not demand he goes back
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 15:57:53 GMT
With who though? Nobody did much in January. Are you telling me there was nobody in the entire world of football who plays wide who was available in January? You are starting to sound desperate now. We lost one fringe player from a 25 man squad in a game where you can only field 11 at any one time.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 16:00:06 GMT
Well we must have agreed then. Either way I think Liverpool were getting rid. We did agree mate It only needs one of the 3 parties to say no and the loan stays Liverpool couldn't recall him, Stoke couldn't send him back and the player could not demand he goes back That makes sense then. And best for all concerned really.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2015 16:01:23 GMT
With who though? Nobody did much in January. Are you telling me there was nobody in the entire world of football who plays wide who was available in January? Seemingly so..... We clearly tried and nothing happened, it was just one of those things. Even teams that wanted loads in struggled it was just a shit window where not much happened with teams generally keeping hold of their players.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 16:07:31 GMT
Are you telling me there was nobody in the entire world of football who plays wide who was available in January? You are starting to sound desperate now. We lost one fringe player from a 25 man squad in a game where you can only field 11 at any one time. What? It's a squad game and we failed to replace a potential game-changer off the bench. That's having an impact now, as the last two games have shown. Does this really need to be spelled out?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 16:08:24 GMT
Are you telling me there was nobody in the entire world of football who plays wide who was available in January? Seemingly so..... We clearly tried and nothing happened, it was just one of those things. Even teams that wanted loads in struggled it was just a shit window where not much happened with teams generally keeping hold of their players. I'm not sure how hard we tried or if we put all our eggs in the Lennon basket. Either way, it's pretty poor.
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Post by RAF on Mar 28, 2015 16:10:42 GMT
In no way does that make my post any less viable. Doing things on the cheap in this league will catch up with you and now is the time to invest (within our means). But it is not about the transfer fee per se, it is about value for money. Dalglish spent 35 million sterling on Carroll, and a fraction of that cost on Suarez. And we all know how that turned out. I would hardly call 23 mill a fraction, but I kind of get your point, even though we know you can add several mill onto most English players. H
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 16:13:00 GMT
You are starting to sound desperate now. We lost one fringe player from a 25 man squad in a game where you can only field 11 at any one time. What? It's a squad game and we failed to replace a potential game-changer off the bench. That's having an impact now, as the last two games have shown. Does this really need to be spelled out? So because we let Assaidi go we lost the last two games. It really does need to be spelt out that I am struggling with your argument right now.
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Post by RAF on Mar 28, 2015 16:15:17 GMT
I never thought I would see Anelka and Okocha at Bolton but it fucking happened.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 16:16:39 GMT
But it is not about the transfer fee per se, it is about value for money. Dalglish spent 35 million sterling on Carroll, and a fraction of that cost on Suarez. And we all know how that turned out. I would hardly call 23 mill a fraction, but I kind of get your point, even though we know you can add several mill onto most English players. H Haha. I wondered when I posted if someone would actually pick up on that. It is however a fraction, and a twelve million pound difference.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 16:21:56 GMT
What? It's a squad game and we failed to replace a potential game-changer off the bench. That's having an impact now, as the last two games have shown. Does this really need to be spelled out? So because we let Assaidi go we lost the last two games. It really does need to be spelt out that I am struggling with your argument right now. It isn't that black and white but it would be a good thing to have another wide option to compete with the ones we have, no? The club obviously thought so as they wanted to bring Lennon in. We miss having that option to come on with some pace out wide and run at players. We ended January with a weaker squad than the one that started it. What did you think of the bench against Palace? Happy with that? Game-changers are an important part of a squad game, surely?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 16:28:18 GMT
So because we let Assaidi go we lost the last two games. It really does need to be spelt out that I am struggling with your argument right now. It isn't that black and white but it would be a good thing to have another wide option to compete with the ones we have, no? The club obviously thought so as they wanted to bring Lennon in. We miss having that option to come on with some pace out wide and run at players. We ended January with a weaker squad than the one that started it. What did you think of the bench against Palace? Happy with that? Game-changers are an important part of a squad game, surely? No absolutely, but as I have said, I am happy that if no player who would be the right fit became available, I am more than happy for us to use what we have.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 16:39:44 GMT
It isn't that black and white but it would be a good thing to have another wide option to compete with the ones we have, no? The club obviously thought so as they wanted to bring Lennon in. We miss having that option to come on with some pace out wide and run at players. We ended January with a weaker squad than the one that started it. What did you think of the bench against Palace? Happy with that? Game-changers are an important part of a squad game, surely? No absolutely, but as I have said, I am happy that if no player who would be the right fit became available, I am more than happy for us to use what we have. We'd better hope Moses comes back sharpish and nothing happens to Arnie then, hadn't we?
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2015 16:41:05 GMT
You are starting to sound desperate now. We lost one fringe player from a 25 man squad in a game where you can only field 11 at any one time. What? It's a squad game and we failed to replace a potential game-changer off the bench. That's having an impact now, as the last two games have shown. Does this really need to be spelled out? Do you know 100% he would have changed those games? We had a bad egg who wanted more than he was worth. Good riddance. And we've done fine without him. It's the other missing players that have cost us.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 16:44:55 GMT
No absolutely, but as I have said, I am happy that if no player who would be the right fit became available, I am more than happy for us to use what we have. We'd better hope Moses comes back sharpish and nothing happens to Arnie then, hadn't we? If you like. You talk like we are relegation fodder. For me now it is all about the summer. A few out and a few in. Hughes will know his targets.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 16:46:33 GMT
What? It's a squad game and we failed to replace a potential game-changer off the bench. That's having an impact now, as the last two games have shown. Does this really need to be spelled out? Do you know 100% he would have changed those games? We had a bad egg who wanted more than he was worth. Good riddance. And we've done fine without him. It's the other missing players that have cost us. Absolutely spot on.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Mar 28, 2015 16:51:58 GMT
If you don't try you don't get............You have got to be in it to win it...............In order to win, or succeed at something, one must first compete or try.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 16:53:42 GMT
What? It's a squad game and we failed to replace a potential game-changer off the bench. That's having an impact now, as the last two games have shown. Does this really need to be spelled out? Do you know 100% he would have changed those games? We had a bad egg who wanted more than he was worth. Good riddance. And we've done fine without him. It's the other missing players that have cost us. You're missing the point. This isn't about Assaidi himself - it's about finding ourselves an option short because we replaced him with nobody. He was pretty damn poor but he did have the tools to make an impact and was better than nobody. Which is what we were left with by not replacing him.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 17:04:42 GMT
Do you know 100% he would have changed those games? We had a bad egg who wanted more than he was worth. Good riddance. And we've done fine without him. It's the other missing players that have cost us. You're missing the point. This isn't about Assaidi himself - it's about finding ourselves an option short because we replaced him with nobody. He was pretty damn poor but he did have the tools to make an impact and was better than nobody. Which is what we were left with by not replacing him. Ok I volunteer. I will take the 25k to warm the squad/bench, as even I am better than no one.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 17:07:23 GMT
You're missing the point. This isn't about Assaidi himself - it's about finding ourselves an option short because we replaced him with nobody. He was pretty damn poor but he did have the tools to make an impact and was better than nobody. Which is what we were left with by not replacing him. Ok I volunteer. I will take the 25k to warm the squad/bench, as even I am better than no one. So you see my point then? A replacement was needed? Wouldn't be any old shite, just a decent, quick option on loan for the rest of the season. That really doesn't seem a controversial view to me.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 17:12:53 GMT
Ok I volunteer. I will take the 25k to warm the squad/bench, as even I am better than no one. So you see my point then? A replacement was needed? Wouldn't be any old shite, just a decent, quick option on loan for the rest of the season. That really doesn't seem a controversial view to me. You don't get irony then. I will try again. Who should we have loaned in to replace this critical spot in our squad?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 17:29:36 GMT
So you see my point then? A replacement was needed? Wouldn't be any old shite, just a decent, quick option on loan for the rest of the season. That really doesn't seem a controversial view to me. You don't get irony then. I will try again. Who should we have loaned in to replace this critical spot in our squad? I do, I just think it's fairly optimistic to label the tired old "I'm better than nobody" line as anything as sophisticated as irony, especially when it's undermining your own argument, which had previously been that having nobody was just fine, thanks all the same. I refuse to believe there was nobody in the entire world of football who was available during a transfer window.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 28, 2015 17:31:16 GMT
Januzaj was available for anyone with the requisite conkers.
Now you might ask is 2Mil (fee plus wages) worth it. Possibly not but it also begs the question, if not, what's the fucking point?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 17:35:55 GMT
You don't get irony then. I will try again. Who should we have loaned in to replace this critical spot in our squad? I do, I just think it's fairly optimistic to label the tired old "I'm better than nobody" line as anything as sophisticated as irony, especially when it's undermining your own argument, which had previously been that having nobody was just fine, thanks all the same. I refuse to believe there was nobody in the entire world of football who was available during a transfer window. You still don't get it do you.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 17:40:38 GMT
I do, I just think it's fairly optimistic to label the tired old "I'm better than nobody" line as anything as sophisticated as irony, especially when it's undermining your own argument, which had previously been that having nobody was just fine, thanks all the same. I refuse to believe there was nobody in the entire world of football who was available during a transfer window. You still don't get it do you. I don't know if you even know what point you're making anymore?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 17:46:42 GMT
You still don't get it do you. I don't know if you even know what point you're making anymore? Ok really? I made an ironic point of which I now know better. And you have used that as your out ever since.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 17:52:13 GMT
I don't know if you even know what point you're making anymore? Ok really? I made an ironic point of which I now know better. And you have used that as your out ever since. I don't need an out. I've been consistent in my point right the way through.
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