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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 17:56:40 GMT
Ok really? I made an ironic point of which I now know better. And you have used that as your out ever since. I don't need an out. I've been consistent in my point right the way through. Ok so who should we have signed in January to sit on the bench????
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 28, 2015 18:06:39 GMT
No absolutely, but as I have said, I am happy that if no player who would be the right fit became available, I am more than happy for us to use what we have. We'd better hope Moses comes back sharpish and nothing happens to Arnie then, hadn't we? Back in full training apparently.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 18:08:10 GMT
I don't need an out. I've been consistent in my point right the way through. Ok so who should we have signed in January to sit on the bench???? I'm not a scout am I? There are literally thousands of players out there, are you telling me there wasn't one player out there in the entire world who was available, yes or no? Was there no young player at a top club looking for experience? No Lennon equivalent in the Bundesliga, Ligue Un, or La Liga? Nobody in Russia looking for some football or somewhere in the Gulf or China wanting to get back to some proper football again? Jarvis hasn't had a kick all season, could we have set the wheels in motion there - had someone moved for him earlier might he have gone?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 18:08:28 GMT
We'd better hope Moses comes back sharpish and nothing happens to Arnie then, hadn't we? Back in full training apparently. Good news.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 18:16:29 GMT
Ok so who should we have signed in January to sit on the bench???? I'm not a scout am I? There are literally thousands of players out there, are you telling me there wasn't one player out there in the entire world who was available, yes or no? Was there no young player at a top club looking for experience? No Lennon equivalent in the Bundesliga, Ligue Un, or La Liga? Nobody in Russia looking for some football or somewhere in the Gulf or China wanting to get back to some proper football again? Jarvis hasn't had a kick all season, could we have set the wheels in motion there - had someone moved for him earlier might he have gone? Don't you think you are going a little over the top. My point is that if, according to the manager, no one fits , then we go with what we have. Or stop the press, Stoke go and sign some nobody from "the Gulf or China" on 25k a week, then at least the fans are appeased.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 18:23:56 GMT
I'm not a scout am I? There are literally thousands of players out there, are you telling me there wasn't one player out there in the entire world who was available, yes or no? Was there no young player at a top club looking for experience? No Lennon equivalent in the Bundesliga, Ligue Un, or La Liga? Nobody in Russia looking for some football or somewhere in the Gulf or China wanting to get back to some proper football again? Jarvis hasn't had a kick all season, could we have set the wheels in motion there - had someone moved for him earlier might he have gone? Don't you think you are going a little over the top. My point is that if, according to the manager, no one fits , then we go with what we have. Or stop the press, Stoke go and sign some nobody from "the Gulf or China" on 25k a week, then at least the fans are appeased. It's not about appeasing the fans, it's about giving yourself the options to go as far as you can and not hamstring yourself when such a good finish is in our sights. Why would they automatically be on £25k a week? I find it hard to believe that there was nobody who 'fit' out there in the wide world of football.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 18:26:05 GMT
Don't you think you are going a little over the top. My point is that if, according to the manager, no one fits , then we go with what we have. Or stop the press, Stoke go and sign some nobody from "the Gulf or China" on 25k a week, then at least the fans are appeased. It's not about appeasing the fans, it's about giving yourself the options to go as far as you can and not hamstring yourself when such a good finish is in our sights. Why would they automatically be on £25k a week? I find it hard to believe that there was nobody who 'fit' out there in the wide world of football. You really believe we are scouting the "wide world of football"?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 28, 2015 18:33:02 GMT
It's not about appeasing the fans, it's about giving yourself the options to go as far as you can and not hamstring yourself when such a good finish is in our sights. Why would they automatically be on £25k a week? I find it hard to believe that there was nobody who 'fit' out there in the wide world of football. You really believe we are scouting the "wide world of football"?
We should be.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 18:33:59 GMT
It's not about appeasing the fans, it's about giving yourself the options to go as far as you can and not hamstring yourself when such a good finish is in our sights. Why would they automatically be on £25k a week? I find it hard to believe that there was nobody who 'fit' out there in the wide world of football. You really believe we are scouting the "wide world of football"? Why wouldn't we be?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 18:37:15 GMT
You really believe we are scouting the "wide world of football"? Why wouldn't we be? So you are telling me the club have sent out scouts to monitor players in China and Asia etc?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 18:40:07 GMT
So you are telling me the club have sent out scouts to monitor players in China and Asia etc? I don't know. I'd like to think we've got a scouting system that looks at players from all over the world. Don't a lot of established Premier League clubs have that?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 28, 2015 18:42:55 GMT
So you are telling me the club have sent out scouts to monitor players in China and Asia etc?
Why would they send someone out specifically? Surely any organised club would have a network of contacts who cover that area?
The narrow mindedness of some Stoke supporters is really hard to fathom sometimes.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 18:43:44 GMT
So you are telling me the club have sent out scouts to monitor players in China and Asia etc? I don't know. I'd like to think we've got a scouting system that looks at players from all over the world. Don't a lot of established Premier League clubs have that? I very much doubt it, and if they do they have done their money. Hughes still has his links to Catalonia, thankfully.
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 28, 2015 18:45:38 GMT
Back in full training apparently. Good news. All well and good...but he can't play next week at Chelsea can he? Still down to the bare bones then.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 18:46:11 GMT
So you are telling me the club have sent out scouts to monitor players in China and Asia etc?
Why would they send someone out specifically? Surely any organised club would have a network of contacts who cover that area?
The narrow mindedness of some Stoke supporters is really hard to fathom sometimes.
Ok so remind me again, who was our last signing from Communist China?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 18:49:31 GMT
I don't know. I'd like to think we've got a scouting system that looks at players from all over the world. Don't a lot of established Premier League clubs have that? I very much doubt it, and if they do they have done their money. Hughes still has his links to Catalonia, thankfully. So the fact that players arrive in the Premier League from Eastern Europe, from the Americas and Central America, from Japan, how does that happen then?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 28, 2015 18:49:39 GMT
Why would they send someone out specifically? Surely any organised club would have a network of contacts who cover that area?
The narrow mindedness of some Stoke supporters is really hard to fathom sometimes.
Ok so remind me again, who was our last signing from Communist China?
Jesus. You could cause an argument in an empty room.
How hard is it to understand that clubs, dripping in money, will be aware of players all over the world without having to send a geezer out there to specifically watch them?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 18:52:14 GMT
I very much doubt it, and if they do they have done their money. Hughes still has his links to Catalonia, thankfully. So the fact that players arrive in the Premier League from Eastern Europe, from the Americas and Central America, from Japan, how does that happen then? I thought the discussion was about Stoke?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 18:54:32 GMT
Ok so remind me again, who was our last signing from Communist China?
Jesus. You could cause an argument in an empty room.
How hard is it to understand that clubs, dripping in money, will be aware of players all over the world without having to send a geezer out there to specifically watch them?
Really? Well there you go. That really is the nub of the problem.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 19:00:44 GMT
So the fact that players arrive in the Premier League from Eastern Europe, from the Americas and Central America, from Japan, how does that happen then? I thought the discussion was about Stoke? You were saying you'd be surprised if clubs had an international scouting network. If they don't, how do you think players from all over the world end up here? Stoke, as an established Premier League club, are surely developing a scouting network in keeping with that if they haven't already got one?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 19:04:02 GMT
German clubs have the eastern asian market stitched up.
350k Euros Dortmund originally paid for Kagawa.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 19:04:39 GMT
I thought the discussion was about Stoke? You were saying you'd be surprised if clubs had an international scouting network. If they don't, how do you think players from all over the world end up here? Stoke, as an established Premier League club, are surely developing a scouting network in keeping with that if they haven't already got one? Youtube I guess. Did anyone ever get to the bottom of the Arismendi saga?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 19:07:09 GMT
You were saying you'd be surprised if clubs had an international scouting network. If they don't, how do you think players from all over the world end up here? Stoke, as an established Premier League club, are surely developing a scouting network in keeping with that if they haven't already got one? Youtube I guess. Did anyone ever get to to the bottom of the Arismendi saga? Was to make Kempy feel important I thought.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Mar 28, 2015 20:27:42 GMT
Curious example to use given he was a pie in the sky, never happening in a million years signing. The fact he's signed his contract presumably means he's had some assurances though. Not pie in the sky. Inter Milan wanted a loan with a view to a perm deal, Munich were not prepared to do that deal and wanted to sell in January. Stoke had agreed a deal with Munich to buy in January which was excepted, we were favourites to sign him till Milan matched our offer, so then it was just down to a decision for the player. Not pie in the sky? Yeah because you would know. Stop spouting utter shit, gained from scouring newspaper articles across the net in the hope you actually hit something. You know nothing, you never have and you never will. Get a job and a significant other. You need it. SGS
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 28, 2015 20:31:37 GMT
German clubs have the eastern asian market stitched up. 350k Euros Dortmund originally paid for Kagawa. Kiotake's good for Nuremberg too
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Post by slpmarc on Mar 28, 2015 22:12:37 GMT
Not pie in the sky. Inter Milan wanted a loan with a view to a perm deal, Munich were not prepared to do that deal and wanted to sell in January. Stoke had agreed a deal with Munich to buy in January which was excepted, we were favourites to sign him till Milan matched our offer, so then it was just down to a decision for the player. Not pie in the sky? Yeah because you would know. Stop spouting utter shit, gained from scouring newspaper articles across the net in the hope you actually hit something. You know nothing, you never have and you never will. Get a job and a significant other. You need it. SGS I have a job and a significant other. Only one that constantly spouts shit on here and he signs of his posts with SGS
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 30, 2015 9:11:08 GMT
Hughes talks about backing here.
"I knew there wasn't going to be a great deal of money available. That was made clear when I took the role and I was quite prepared to go with that. I understood that because there had been huge investment prior to my appointment and that wasn't always going to be there and the level wasn't always going to be what had been there in the past. There will certainly be funds. If a good player's available and we can get them, I will get backing, and we've been close to a number of big signings but for whatever reasons we haven't quite got them over the line and as a consequence we haven't spent a great deal of money but I'm sure, and I know, that if an opportunity came and we needed to spend a significant amount, then I'm sure I'd get the backing
A number of clubs in that middle group are investing heavily and you have to be careful you don't get left behind. The ones that spend the most tend to finish at the top. We're honest and we'll keep doing our jobs well and we'll keep looking for good players but as a strategy you can't rely on that every year. We've done really well in the loan market as well, but that needs a little bit of luck as well as sometimes the right person may not be available. So as a strategy, it's something you can't rely on. We'll do our due diligence and get the right characters in. We can do that without spending money as we've shown - but, long-term, we'll have to invest a little bit more in the squad"
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Post by nutterpotter on Mar 30, 2015 9:46:36 GMT
Hughes talks about backing here. " I knew there wasn't going to be a great deal of money available. That was made clear when I took the role and I was quite prepared to go with that. I understood that because there had been huge investment prior to my appointment and that wasn't always going to be there and the level wasn't always going to be what had been there in the past. There will certainly be funds. If a good player's available and we can get them, I will get backing, and we've been close to a number of big signings but for whatever reasons we haven't quite got them over the line and as a consequence we haven't spent a great deal of money but I'm sure, and I know, that if an opportunity came and we needed to spend a significant amount, then I'm sure I'd get the backing
A number of clubs in that middle group are investing heavily and you have to be careful you don't get left behind. The ones that spend the most tend to finish at the top. We're honest and we'll keep doing our jobs well and we'll keep looking for good players but as a strategy you can't rely on that every year. We've done really well in the loan market as well, but that needs a little bit of luck as well as sometimes the right person may not be available. So as a strategy, it's something you can't rely on. We'll do our due diligence and get the right characters in. We can do that without spending money as we've shown - but, long-term, we'll have to invest a little bit more in the squad" Love how he always tries to raise expectations and mentions that he is targeting Europe. He's clearly loving it here and truly believes we can go onto bigger and better things. Wonder who these 'big signings' would have been? I'd imagine Shaqiri but who else?
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2015 9:51:05 GMT
Hughes talks about backing here. " I knew there wasn't going to be a great deal of money available. That was made clear when I took the role and I was quite prepared to go with that. I understood that because there had been huge investment prior to my appointment and that wasn't always going to be there and the level wasn't always going to be what had been there in the past. There will certainly be funds. If a good player's available and we can get them, I will get backing, and we've been close to a number of big signings but for whatever reasons we haven't quite got them over the line and as a consequence we haven't spent a great deal of money but I'm sure, and I know, that if an opportunity came and we needed to spend a significant amount, then I'm sure I'd get the backing
A number of clubs in that middle group are investing heavily and you have to be careful you don't get left behind. The ones that spend the most tend to finish at the top. We're honest and we'll keep doing our jobs well and we'll keep looking for good players but as a strategy you can't rely on that every year. We've done really well in the loan market as well, but that needs a little bit of luck as well as sometimes the right person may not be available. So as a strategy, it's something you can't rely on. We'll do our due diligence and get the right characters in. We can do that without spending money as we've shown - but, long-term, we'll have to invest a little bit more in the squad" Love how he always tries to raise expectations and mentions that he is targeting Europe. He's clearly loving it here and truly believes we can go onto bigger and better things. Wonder who these 'big signings' would have been? I'd imagine Shaqiri but who else? Yarmalenko (before he signed his new contract)? Whoever he is referring to it all sounds positive. Club transfer record to be broken this summer?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 30, 2015 9:54:54 GMT
I can't be the only one who is always massively impressed with how he goes about things.
Understated yet ambitious at the same time.
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