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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 11:39:58 GMT
World cup star, 23, one of the most highly rated young footballers around, tipped for huge things. I'd say out of our reach pretty safely mate.
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2015 13:33:46 GMT
Either way, our recent transfer activity has been great so I'm happy to go with whatever the club says.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 28, 2015 13:42:09 GMT
Is there not an argument for saying that Shaqiri was a mutually beneficial bit of PR? We cook up a deal with his agent to put a bid in that meets Bayern's asking price. This forces Inter to match our bid and buy him outright, getting the player the transfer that he wanted and the agent the signing on fee that he wanted. In return, Shaqiri and his agent said lovely things about us in the press that made us sound like big players. I doubt he ever would have signed. If you doubt he would have ever signed (as most sane people would) then I can't really see it being a successful pr move, as most observers would see it to be exactly that - a pr stunt, surely? Awfully coincidental that we happened to do exactly what most of the parties involved wanted and that in return, they talked us up as serious contenders, though. I just can't believe that we ever thought we were seriously vying for his signature.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 28, 2015 13:55:31 GMT
Either way, our recent transfer activity has been great so I'm happy to go with whatever the club says. Yup, me too. They've consistently said they're willing to spend if the deal is right, since MH has arrived we've done some fantastic deals without having to lay out any serious money, that doesn't mean they haven't been willing to, just that they havn't needed to.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 28, 2015 14:00:36 GMT
Sentinel“We are not going to go out and spend the amounts Manchester Untied did last summer but Mark knows that if he highlights the right deal he will be supported. “(Xherdan) Shaqiri (a £10m January target from Bayern Munich) is a good example of that. “We have done some very good deals in the transfer market since Mark came to the club. It’s never about the size of the fee, it’s about identifying the right player for the best deal.
“Of course we all recognise the market we are competing in.” Some on here will never understand this.
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Post by lordb on Mar 28, 2015 14:01:33 GMT
Will we pay the big wages required to get these types of player? Compared to the big clubs in England,no never. Not sure even the likes of Inter pay more than us these days.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 28, 2015 14:04:06 GMT
I'd much rather be linked with players of Shaqiris calibre and get shot down than some of the dead ducks we've been linked with in the past. It suggests a belief we can aim a little higher, besides- nothing ventured nothing gained! Said no one ever when we were going for stupid targets a few years ago.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 28, 2015 14:06:52 GMT
So some on here think January was a roaring success then? I'd file it under arrogant clown shooery myself.
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Post by werrington on Mar 28, 2015 14:22:28 GMT
So some on here think January was a roaring success then? I'd file it under arrogant clown shooery myself. There was absolutely no need to buy players for buying sake in January momo ......as has been proven Squads are built in the summer pre season with a few tweaks etc in January..... Unless there's a chance of relegation or serious European chances
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 14:42:40 GMT
I don't think we need to spend too much. I reckon our Spanish connection still has some life in it. Hear, hear.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 28, 2015 14:48:50 GMT
Bojan could be pivotal in changing things but we are still lil' old Stoke in International terms. Shaqiri was always an exercise in pissing in the wind whilst some proper work should have been going on. I'd look at a team like Basle who surely (regular Champions League income not withstanding) we could compete with financially? They have some fantastic players (yes I know they sold Shaqiri), great infrastructure and should be a club to look at rather than engaging in play fights with Inter over a Bayern Munich starlet. We will receive something like £115m in TV payments alone next season. More is likely once the foreign broadcasting rights are sorted. I honestly don't know how much a club like Basle make from CL but it won't get them near our turnover. How much their players are paid however may have a big influence on profitability but it won't attract them much. Certainly financially we can piss on the majority of Spanish and German clubs these days. I think the biggest stumbling block in attracting the sort of bigger name star is our limited chance to offer European football. We might make the Europa thing but not much hope of CL and top players want that more than more cash they can't spend.
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Post by foster on Mar 28, 2015 15:03:17 GMT
Bojan could be pivotal in changing things but we are still lil' old Stoke in International terms. Shaqiri was always an exercise in pissing in the wind whilst some proper work should have been going on. I'd look at a team like Basle who surely (regular Champions League income not withstanding) we could compete with financially? They have some fantastic players (yes I know they sold Shaqiri), great infrastructure and should be a club to look at rather than engaging in play fights with Inter over a Bayern Munich starlet. We will receive something like £115m in TV payments alone next season. More is likely once the foreign broadcasting rights are sorted. I honestly don't know how much a club like Basle make from CL but it won't get them near our turnover. How much their players are paid however may have a big influence on profitability but it won't attract them much. Certainly financially we can piss on the majority of Spanish and German clubs these days. I think the biggest stumbling block in attracting the sort of bigger name star is our limited chance to offer European football. We might make the Europa thing but not much hope of CL and top players want that more than more cash they can't spend. There are plenty of good players about outside of those who want to only join the top 4 or even 6. The Prem is enough of a pull for most.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2015 15:04:40 GMT
We did need a winger/attacking player in January but not many moved that we could have got.
It wasn't a disaster by any stretch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 15:04:57 GMT
Scholes should go into politics
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 15:07:22 GMT
Scholes should go into politics Lol. Does anyone need that translated.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 28, 2015 15:14:16 GMT
So some on here think January was a roaring success then? I'd file it under arrogant clown shooery myself. There was absolutely no need to buy players for buying sake in January momo ......as has been proven Squads are built in the summer pre season with a few tweaks etc in January..... Unless there's a chance of relegation or serious European chances We didn't even replace what we had let go though Wez. Whilst the injury crisis properly kicked in, in February, there were more than enough warning signs in January. Players with long-standing knocks, a few already out and we didn't even replace our domestic loan. This should have been a breathtaking season but for a variety of reasons (including transfer strategy) it's heading towards a 'what could have been' season.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 15:17:44 GMT
We should've replaced Assaidi. The lack of game-changers on the bench against Palace and the sight of Adam weebling about on the left at WBA is testament to that.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 15:17:59 GMT
There was absolutely no need to buy players for buying sake in January momo ......as has been proven Squads are built in the summer pre season with a few tweaks etc in January..... Unless there's a chance of relegation or serious European chances We didn't even replace what we had let go though Wez. Whilst the injury crisis properly kicked in, in February, there were more than enough warning signs in January. Players with long-standing knocks, a few already out and we didn't even replace our domestic loan. This should have been a breathtaking season but for a variety of reasons (including transfer strategy) it's heading towards a 'what could have been' season. How do you know we didn't try to replace our domestic loan? Gone are the days we sign players for the sake of it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 28, 2015 15:19:03 GMT
Bojan could be pivotal in changing things but we are still lil' old Stoke in International terms. Shaqiri was always an exercise in pissing in the wind whilst some proper work should have been going on. I'd look at a team like Basle who surely (regular Champions League income not withstanding) we could compete with financially? They have some fantastic players (yes I know they sold Shaqiri), great infrastructure and should be a club to look at rather than engaging in play fights with Inter over a Bayern Munich starlet. We will receive something like £115m in TV payments alone next season. More is likely once the foreign broadcasting rights are sorted. I honestly don't know how much a club like Basle make from CL but it won't get them near our turnover. How much their players are paid however may have a big influence on profitability but it won't attract them much. Certainly financially we can piss on the majority of Spanish and German clubs these days. I think the biggest stumbling block in attracting the sort of bigger name star is our limited chance to offer European football. We might make the Europa thing but not much hope of CL and top players want that more than more cash they can't spend. Yeah, post the latest deal, we strictly financially at least are ahead of some of the traditional European powerhouses but the glass ceiling of the Premier League makes it virtually impossible to gatecrash the posh party. They kind of got their European Super League in the end I suppose. They had to invite a few waifs and strays from Switzerland and the east but the closed shop for middling clubs is real and present.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 28, 2015 15:22:42 GMT
We didn't even replace what we had let go though Wez. Whilst the injury crisis properly kicked in, in February, there were more than enough warning signs in January. Players with long-standing knocks, a few already out and we didn't even replace our domestic loan. This should have been a breathtaking season but for a variety of reasons (including transfer strategy) it's heading towards a 'what could have been' season. How do you know we didn't try to replace our domestic loan? Gone are the days we sign players for the sake of it. Whilst Assaidi wasn't plucking up any trees this term we should have only countenanced letting him go if a replacement was in the bag. It all just smacked of arrogance for me.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 15:26:58 GMT
Arrogance from the club in general or a certain individual? I was quite pleased to get Assaidi off the wage bill myself.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 15:34:29 GMT
Arrogance from the club in general or a certain individual? I was quite pleased to get Assaidi off the wage bill myself. But we lost an option out wide. Assaidi was that, if not much else. Now we've got no wide option on the bench.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 15:34:42 GMT
Scholes should go into politics Lol. Does anyone need that translated. Lol
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 15:44:35 GMT
Arrogance from the club in general or a certain individual? I was quite pleased to get Assaidi off the wage bill myself. But we lost an option out wide. Assaidi was that, if not much else. Now we've got no wide option on the bench. But didn't Liverpool recall him, surely it was not down to us. And am I the only one who is happy that, if the players don't fit, we don't bring them in for the sake of it anymore.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 15:48:45 GMT
But we lost an option out wide. Assaidi was that, if not much else. Now we've got no wide option on the bench. But didn't Liverpool recall him, surely it was not down to us. And am I the only one who is happy that, if the players don't fit, we don't bring them in for the sake of it anymore. It doesn't matter whose decision it was, the outcome was that we were short in that area and thus a replacement was needed. It wouldn't have been for the sake of it, it would have been filling that gap.
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Post by werrington on Mar 28, 2015 15:49:10 GMT
But we lost an option out wide. Assaidi was that, if not much else. Now we've got no wide option on the bench. But didn't Liverpool recall him, surely it was not down to us. And am I the only one who is happy that, if the players don't fit, we don't bring them in for the sake of it anymore. When a player is loaned out for the season he can only be recalled if Liverpool, Stoke and Assaidi himself agree ...Chelsea trying to get Moses back highlighted this It can only happen in the window ..Otherwise it stays for the season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 28, 2015 15:50:50 GMT
We should've replaced Assaidi. The lack of game-changers on the bench against Palace and the sight of Adam weebling about on the left at WBA is testament to that. With who though? Nobody did much in January.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 28, 2015 15:51:06 GMT
But we lost an option out wide. Assaidi was that, if not much else. Now we've got no wide option on the bench. But didn't Liverpool recall him, surely it was not down to us. And am I the only one who is happy that, if the players don't fit, we don't bring them in for the sake of it anymore. I think we had to agree to it but I was more than happy to see the back of him, the worst signing Hughes has made to date imo.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 28, 2015 15:53:00 GMT
But didn't Liverpool recall him, surely it was not down to us. And am I the only one who is happy that, if the players don't fit, we don't bring them in for the sake of it anymore. It doesn't matter whose decision it was, the outcome was that we were short in that area and thus a replacement was needed. It wouldn't have been for the sake of it, it would have been filling that gap. Filling the gap in the squad for the sake of it. If the right player is not available to us then I believe we move on.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 15:54:54 GMT
We should've replaced Assaidi. The lack of game-changers on the bench against Palace and the sight of Adam weebling about on the left at WBA is testament to that. With who though? Nobody did much in January. Are you telling me there was nobody in the entire world of football who plays wide who was available in January?
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