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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2015 23:35:05 GMT
Arnie is pretty ace.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Mar 27, 2015 0:30:00 GMT
he was asking the manager whether he thought he was a failure. If nothing else it shows insecurity which is why he may try too hard on occasion. It highlights exactly the reason he's at Stoke, and not tearing up the Champions league. All of the physical ability, none of the mental capacity. I'm praying for the day Hughes makes a breakthrough with the bloke, because he has some serious potential. If he's not been booed out of the club by then that is. |
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Mar 27, 2015 0:35:42 GMT
I wouldn't mind some of the shit that's thrown in Arnie's direction if we'd spent the kind of money Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal had spent on some of their high profile foreign imports who're struggling to make an impact. We spent more on Diego pigging Arismendi than we did on Marko Arnautovic. Walters, Cresswell, Asaba and Shotton all take/took more stick than Arnie. Nobody mentions their price tag. People seem to have a million excuses for Arnie. Not one of those players took more stick than Arnautovic, the difference is the amount of people willing to fight his case. This is more than just a 'player being played out of position' situation. |
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Post by upthefud on Mar 27, 2015 0:40:47 GMT
Walters, Cresswell, Asaba and Shotton all take/took more stick than Arnie. Nobody mentions their price tag. People seem to have a million excuses for Arnie. Not one of those players took more stick than Arnautovic, the difference is the amount of people willing to fight his case. This is more than just a 'player being played out of position' situation. They all took more shit than Arnie. Look at the bollocks thrown at Walters in recent years. Shotton on the wing was a retarded decision by TP but you can't say that the fans didn't destroy every ounce of his confidence. Arnie gets an easier ride than most given how poorly he has performed. All he has to do is warm up near us and he gets a rousing rendition of "Arnie", if he was John Smith from Huddersfield then this board would be in meltdown over his form. I hope he finishes the season strongly and proves me wrong but I think Hughes will sign a top centre forward in the summer which will put Diouf, Walters and possibly Odem ahead of Arnie in the pecking order for the right wing berth. I think he'll move back to Austria. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 27, 2015 0:42:45 GMT
Don't know if Arnie needs a size 10 + up his bum or a just an ongoing cuddle from LMH.
The fact remains though, that he needs something to up his game & to get back playing to where he was.
If we do nail a winger (or two) in the summer and Wingie returns to form, then he's toast for the starting 11 and Charlie will be his bessie on the bench.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 27, 2015 0:43:49 GMT
I fuckin love arnie, unbelievable first touch.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Mar 27, 2015 0:53:39 GMT
Not one of those players took more stick than Arnautovic, the difference is the amount of people willing to fight his case. This is more than just a 'player being played out of position' situation. They all took more shit than Arnie. Look at the bollocks thrown at Walters in recent years. Shotton on the wing was a retarded decision by TP but you can't say that the fans didn't destroy every ounce of his confidence. Arnie gets an easier ride than most given how poorly he has performed. All he has to do is warm up near us and he gets a rousing rendition of "Arnie", if he was John Smith from Huddersfield then this board would be in meltdown over his form. I hope he finishes the season strongly and proves me wrong but I think Hughes will sign a top centre forward in the summer which will put Diouf, Walters and possibly Odem ahead of Arnie in the pecking order for the right wing berth. I think he'll move back to Austria. Strange, I certainly don't see it that way. I've heard about as much personal abuse thrown at Arnautovic from the Boothen as I have any other player. I, like most, just want what's best for the team, and in my opinion we look better with him in it. Until that changes, I'll argue his positives. |
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Post by upthefud on Mar 27, 2015 0:56:34 GMT
They all took more shit than Arnie. Look at the bollocks thrown at Walters in recent years. Shotton on the wing was a retarded decision by TP but you can't say that the fans didn't destroy every ounce of his confidence. Arnie gets an easier ride than most given how poorly he has performed. All he has to do is warm up near us and he gets a rousing rendition of "Arnie", if he was John Smith from Huddersfield then this board would be in meltdown over his form. I hope he finishes the season strongly and proves me wrong but I think Hughes will sign a top centre forward in the summer which will put Diouf, Walters and possibly Odem ahead of Arnie in the pecking order for the right wing berth. I think he'll move back to Austria. Strange, I certainly don't see it that way. I've heard about as much personal abuse thrown at Arnautovic from the Boothen as I have any other player. I, like most, just want what's best for the team, and in my opinion we look better with him in it. Until that changes, I'll argue his positives. No problem in agreeing to disagree with your final point. We all want what's best for the team but all see it differently. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Mar 27, 2015 1:14:57 GMT
I can't hide the fact that I love the guy, I think he has the potential to be a truly wonderful player. We've seen what he can do , I just wish he carried on that form from the back end of last season.
The one moment I can't forget was against Fulham where he brought the ball down held off Riise and somehow pulled it back to set up the goal.
Hughes needs to get that player back asap.
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Post by prudhoe on Mar 27, 2015 2:39:10 GMT
Arnie is Kenwynne mk2. Bags of potential but a shit attitude and work rate. Sick of seeing him slouching his shoulders around the pitch. Just feel like going and giving him a kick up the arse.
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Post by nsd on Mar 27, 2015 5:00:13 GMT
Arnie is Kenwynne mk2. Bags of potential but a shit attitude and work rate. Sick of seeing him slouching his shoulders around the pitch. Just feel like going and giving him a kick up the arse. He has excellent work rate |
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Post by foster on Mar 27, 2015 5:54:03 GMT
Arnie is Kenwynne mk2. Bags of potential but a shit attitude and work rate. Sick of seeing him slouching his shoulders around the pitch. Just feel like going and giving him a kick up the arse. He has excellent work rate Now he does but not always |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 7:24:07 GMT
I'm not sure? Was he? I thought he picked up an early knock in the training camp? Fingers crossed he gets a full pre-season this time round and hits the season in full fling. He needs to. No more silly excuses for the big, daft Austrian. He started all but two of the friendlies and came on in another. Well there you go. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 27, 2015 7:52:35 GMT
He started all but two of the friendlies and came on in another. Well there you go. Yes, there you go, he had pretty much a full pre-season. Just seems odd that he couldn't be expected to start last season well but he needs to start next season well. What's changed? I also think the 'what do you expect for the money we paid' argument doesn't really wash given Etherington cost £500k less. I like Arnie a lot and he's well worth his place in the side at the moment, but we can't keep waiting until after Christmas for him to find his feet every season. |
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Post by Davef on Mar 27, 2015 8:02:05 GMT
I wouldn't mind some of the shit that's thrown in Arnie's direction if we'd spent the kind of money Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal had spent on some of their high profile foreign imports who're struggling to make an impact. We spent more on Diego pigging Arismendi than we did on Marko Arnautovic. Walters, Cresswell, Asaba and Shotton all take/took more stick than Arnie. Nobody mentions their price tag. People seem to have a million excuses for Arnie. With the injuries we have he should get a run of games now, he needs to take advantage or else his future here will be on the line. You're having a laugh. There's a ten page thread micro-analysing his game every time he makes an appearance. |
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Post by 2004 on Mar 27, 2015 8:34:01 GMT
Arnie is Kenwynne mk2. Bags of potential but a shit attitude and work rate. Sick of seeing him slouching his shoulders around the pitch. Just feel like going and giving him a kick up the arse. Rubbish. His work rate is fantastic. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 27, 2015 8:35:26 GMT
Call me old fashioned but I love a player who can actually control a ball. Arnie does that most of the time and shields it brilliantly do some of our fans actually watch what a player does? He's a winger who actually tracks back and as with all wingers it's a confidence thing. They blow hot and cold. Giving him stick isn't going to help at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 8:46:45 GMT
Yes, there you go, he had pretty much a full pre-season. Just seems odd that he couldn't be expected to start last season well but he needs to start next season well. What's changed? I also think the 'what do you expect for the money we paid' argument doesn't really wash given Etherington cost £500k less. I like Arnie a lot and he's well worth his place in the side at the moment, but we can't keep waiting until after Christmas for him to find his feet every season. I gave him the benefit of the doubt this season based on the fact that I thought he was dropped a little too quickly out of the side after a couple of average performances, when others around him were not exactly firing either. The whole 'needs games' thing was a lazy type catchphrase i used because I got fed up of typing out that I thought he was a confidence player that needed a run of games to get in a groove, every 2 days that we seemed to get a micro analysing thread on everything from his body language to his haircut. I also think there is/was an element of 2nd season syndrome with him that certain players get, before finding a 2nd wind and kicking on. It's not that anything has changed per se, i just think he needs to come out firing to stop the predictable "he only plays after Christmas" brigade coming out and beating him with it because they don't like his new haircut. That's not you I'm hinting at either.  |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 27, 2015 8:55:46 GMT
Yes, there you go, he had pretty much a full pre-season. Just seems odd that he couldn't be expected to start last season well but he needs to start next season well. What's changed? I also think the 'what do you expect for the money we paid' argument doesn't really wash given Etherington cost £500k less. I like Arnie a lot and he's well worth his place in the side at the moment, but we can't keep waiting until after Christmas for him to find his feet every season. I gave him the benefit of the doubt this season based on the fact that I thought he was dropped a little too quickly out of the side after a couple of average performances, when others around him were not exactly firing either. The whole 'needs games' thing was a lazy type catchphrase i used because I got fed up of typing out that I thought he was a confidence player that needed a run of games to get in a groove, every 2 days that we seemed to get a micro analysing thread on everything from his body language to his haircut. I also think there is/was an element of 2nd season syndrome with him that certain players get, before finding a 2nd wind and kicking on. It's not that anything has changed per se, i just think he needs to come out firing to stop the predictable "he only plays after Christmas" brigade coming out and beating him with it because they don't like his new haircut. That's not you I'm hinting at either. Fair enough, can't argue with that.  |
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 27, 2015 9:28:07 GMT
Call me old fashioned but I love a player who can actually control a ball. Arnie does that most of the time and shields it brilliantly do some of our fans actually watch what a player does? He's a winger who actually tracks back and as with all wingers it's a confidence thing. They blow hot and cold. Giving him stick isn't going to help at all. I'm just as old fashioned,there's a tremendous player in him that needs bringing out. He gives the appearance of having bags of confidence but I think he is insecure and needs support. His ball control is fantastic at times. I still believe that Hughes will find the secret as he has with others, it's just taking time. |
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 27, 2015 9:49:49 GMT
Arnie is Kenwynne mk2. Bags of potential but a shit attitude and work rate. Sick of seeing him slouching his shoulders around the pitch. Just feel like going and giving him a kick up the arse. Sorry prudhoe but I can't believe you've put that, arnie puts a fair shift in mate. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 27, 2015 10:14:05 GMT
He could do with a goal or two.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 27, 2015 10:40:05 GMT
He could do with a goal or two. Yes in a way it is a pity that his shot hit the post although it benefitted Diouf. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 27, 2015 11:02:39 GMT
You'd have thought that a forward line comprising Moses, Bojan, Arnie and a new super striker (we can dream) would set the pulses racing and take us on to the next level. However, as much as I like his maverick nature and personality, not to mention many aspects of his playing ability, I'm still to be convinced he'll ever contribute enough in terms of goals and assists to be worth the long-term commitment. As many have said, I hope I'm wrong...
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Post by upthefud on Mar 27, 2015 11:03:39 GMT
Walters, Cresswell, Asaba and Shotton all take/took more stick than Arnie. Nobody mentions their price tag. People seem to have a million excuses for Arnie. With the injuries we have he should get a run of games now, he needs to take advantage or else his future here will be on the line. You're having a laugh. There's a ten page thread micro-analysing his game every time he makes an appearance. There's a ten page thread because there's a heated debate not just abuse. You're having a laugh if you think that in seasons gone by Walters hasn't taken a lot more stick on this site. Anyway my point was at the ground. If you think that Walters or Shotton in particular got more support at the ground than Arnie does then we'll just leave it here because we obviously won't get anywhere |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 11:17:20 GMT
I would give him a regular berth on the right wing, and give him a run of games irrespective of how he plays. I'm convinced there's a great player in there. I would also encourage him to play to the best of his ability, and keep on encouraging him.
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Post by redwhite on Mar 27, 2015 11:22:45 GMT
Arnie is Kenwynne mk2. Bags of potential but a shit attitude and work rate. Sick of seeing him slouching his shoulders around the pitch. Just feel like going and giving him a kick up the arse. If he loses the ball he sprints back after it like a man possessed. It's fucking sad that people like you make a decision on what they want to see and ignore what's actually going on right in front of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 11:25:39 GMT
Can I just throw in one about Ryan Shotton, while he's been brought up on this thread. When he played between Wilko and Pennant, there was a kind of promising link up beginning. Pennant especially was talking to him and obviously encouraging him. IMHO Tony not see this, because it didn't seem to last very long. (That trio that is). Sitting in the Seddon as it was, I thought I saw the said potential. Did anyone else notice this? I'm not having a go at T.P. by the way.
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Post by Davef on Mar 27, 2015 11:46:11 GMT
You're having a laugh. There's a ten page thread micro-analysing his game every time he makes an appearance. There's a ten page thread because there's a heated debate not just abuse. You're having a laugh if you think that in seasons gone by Walters hasn't taken a lot more stick on this site. Anyway my point was at the ground. If you think that Walters or Shotton in particular got more support at the ground than Arnie does then we'll just leave it here because we obviously won't get anywhere Super Jonny Walters gets great support at the ground, more so than Arnie imo. I'm not even sure why you've brought these players into the debate. Well, I do actually, but I can't be arsed getting into that tired old guff with you. |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 27, 2015 11:50:34 GMT
There's a ten page thread because there's a heated debate not just abuse. You're having a laugh if you think that in seasons gone by Walters hasn't taken a lot more stick on this site. Anyway my point was at the ground. If you think that Walters or Shotton in particular got more support at the ground than Arnie does then we'll just leave it here because we obviously won't get anywhere Super Jonny Walters gets great support at the ground, more so than Arnie imo. I'm not even sure why you've brought these players into the debate. Well, I do actually, but I can't be arsed getting into that tired old guff with you. Walters has never had much support around me at the ground. I was a lone voice for quite a while. They've all seen the error of their ways now though. |
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