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Post by 4kingal on May 22, 2015 16:22:19 GMT
Surely this guy will replace Arnie. Odem and SJW will battle for a place on the other flank. And IF we sign Sergi Roberto he will be N'Zonzi's replacement, whose contract ,of course, is in exactly the same situation as Bego. That's the spirit March4 look on the bright side
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Post by rawli on May 22, 2015 16:22:36 GMT
I disagree with Arnie not being able to play on the right. Whether the left is his favoured position or not, he can definitely play on the right and some of his better crosses have come from that side. As I said in the post, I wasn't saying some of the other positions didn't need strengthening (right back being one of them). I can only assume you disregarded that part of the post so you could get in a negative comment about Cameron? Correct. On the left he is always looking to cut in. On the right he offers something different - a quality cross. Happy to see him on either flank. Plus we'd then have a dangerous Austrian right-winger. Which always makes me smile.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on May 22, 2015 16:26:23 GMT
Why has this Konoplianka thing fired up again. What's been said because I have missed it........Nobody tells me owt.
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Post by burge2u on May 22, 2015 16:26:36 GMT
Correct. On the left he is always looking to cut in. On the right he offers something different - a quality cross. Happy to see him on either flank. Plus we'd then have a dangerous Austrian right-winger. Which always makes me smile. Don't mention the war, ..... I did, but I think that I got away with it !
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 22, 2015 16:27:45 GMT
Konnie and Arnie can swap wings during the course of a game perhaps? I'd also like a left footer and would love us taking a punt on Matt Ritchie from B'Mouth.
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Post by nutterpotter on May 22, 2015 16:30:52 GMT
Why has this Konoplianka thing fired up again. What's been said because I have missed it........Nobody tells me owt. Talksport saying we're interested and have sent some people to the Ukraine to sort out a deal.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on May 22, 2015 16:37:22 GMT
Why has this Konoplianka thing fired up again. What's been said because I have missed it........Nobody tells me owt. Talksport saying we're interested and have sent some people to the Ukraine to sort out a deal. Oh right. Thanks.......Someone needs to tell them don't come back unless you have his name on a piece of paper.
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Post by stokiejoe on May 22, 2015 16:55:08 GMT
Plus we'd then have a dangerous Austrian right-winger. Which always makes me smile. Don't mention the war, ..... I did, but I think that I got away with it ! You started it!
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Post by burge2u on May 22, 2015 17:10:38 GMT
Don't mention the war, ..... I did, but I think that I got away with it ! You started it! 'No we didn't, ...... you invaded Poland!'
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Post by nott1 on May 22, 2015 17:15:18 GMT
Where does this leave Moses if we sign the Ukraine?
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Post by ruts66 on May 22, 2015 17:20:34 GMT
Where does this leave Moses if we sign the Ukraine? What? All of it?
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Post by liathroid on May 22, 2015 17:22:26 GMT
Where does this leave Moses if we sign the Ukraine? hoping the red sea will part again
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 22, 2015 17:24:02 GMT
I disagree with Arnie not being able to play on the right. Whether the left is his favoured position or not, he can definitely play on the right and some of his better crosses have come from that side. As I said in the post, I wasn't saying some of the other positions didn't need strengthening (right back being one of them). I can only assume you disregarded that part of the post so you could get in a negative comment about Cameron? That's true - one of Crouch's best goals came from an Arnie cross from the right a couple of months back. In any case we need more than just two dedicated inverted wingers for the wide positions. Our system requires not only assists but goals from the wide men and injuries and loss of form mean you really need 4 people able to play in the two wide positions in the squad. Say, for example, we get Konoplyanka and Sidney Sam (also available this summer). That would give us Arnie and Konoplyanka as options on the left and Sam and Wingie as options on the right. That would be a pretty decent group of players who could cover the wide positions and, in the case of Sam, Konoplyanka and Wingie, act as cover for a striker as well. Its as close to total football as we'll ever see at Stoke! I rather think Walters might move on this summer and he isn't really a wide player anyway. EDIT: Did you know that Konoplyanka's name means "linnet" in Ukranian? And the cock linnet has a red breast - its an omen I tell yer! You're right Walters isn't a wide player but getting rid of the joint top score seems a bit foolish, I'd sooner get rid of Odem.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on May 22, 2015 17:29:39 GMT
That's true - one of Crouch's best goals came from an Arnie cross from the right a couple of months back. In any case we need more than just two dedicated inverted wingers for the wide positions. Our system requires not only assists but goals from the wide men and injuries and loss of form mean you really need 4 people able to play in the two wide positions in the squad. Say, for example, we get Konoplyanka and Sidney Sam (also available this summer). That would give us Arnie and Konoplyanka as options on the left and Sam and Wingie as options on the right. That would be a pretty decent group of players who could cover the wide positions and, in the case of Sam, Konoplyanka and Wingie, act as cover for a striker as well. Its as close to total football as we'll ever see at Stoke! I rather think Walters might move on this summer and he isn't really a wide player anyway. EDIT: Did you know that Konoplyanka's name means "linnet" in Ukranian? And the cock linnet has a red breast - its an omen I tell yer! You're right Walters isn't a wide player but getting rid of the joint top score seems a bit foolish, I'd sooner get rid of Odem. That can only be down to his age?
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 22, 2015 17:34:42 GMT
You're right Walters isn't a wide player but getting rid of the joint top score seems a bit foolish, I'd sooner get rid of Odem. That can only be down to his age? A few things really, age but not a big deal as there isn't much difference between the two, his injury, players never come back the same after that kind of injury so late in their career, I think Walters is more versatile too, also joint top goal scorer. Edit: I'm not saying Odem hasn't done well for us but I think its time he went.
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Post by nott1 on May 22, 2015 17:35:14 GMT
Where does this leave Moses if we sign the Ukraine? hoping the red sea will part again Are you referring to the Liverpool defence?
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Post by nott1 on May 22, 2015 17:36:54 GMT
Where does this leave Moses if we sign the Ukraine? What? All of it? Why not it can't be worth much with all those red immigrants!
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Post by mywaydesolzan on May 22, 2015 17:48:19 GMT
That can only be down to his age? A few things really, age but not a big deal as there isn't much difference between the two, his injury, players never come back the same after that kind of injury so late in their career, I think Walters is more versatile too, also joint top goal scorer. Edit: I'm not saying Odem hasn't done well for us but I think its time he went. Interesting. He is on a free isn't he. Don't agree but who knows.
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Post by greystokie on May 22, 2015 17:59:42 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 22, 2015 18:02:37 GMT
That can only be down to his age? A few things really, age but not a big deal as there isn't much difference between the two, his injury, players never come back the same after that kind of injury so late in their career, I think Walters is more versatile too, also joint top goal scorer. Edit: I'm not saying Odem hasn't done well for us but I think its time he went. I just get the feeling that if Walters, who has a year left, was going to be offered a contract extension, it would have happened by now. As it happens I also think you are a bit out of date with your injury prognosis. Some players are never the same - but an increasing number these days do recover full form and fitness - even at Wingie's age - thanks to improved surgery and rehab procedures.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 22, 2015 18:04:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 18:18:31 GMT
Russian players find it really hard to adapt and are rarely successful when playing for foreign clubs Great, but he's not Russian
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 18:27:46 GMT
How good is he compared to say, Yarmolenko? Yarmolenko is better player, but Konoplyanka still very gifted talent. Yarmolenko is player who I think is better than mid table club,but not good enough for top teams. Konoplyanka would fit very well for teams like Stoke, Southampton, Swansea (of course preference for Stoke ;-))
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Post by stokiejoe on May 22, 2015 19:04:10 GMT
Where does this leave Moses if we sign the Ukraine? Chelsea reserves
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Post by stokiejoe on May 22, 2015 19:05:43 GMT
A few things really, age but not a big deal as there isn't much difference between the two, his injury, players never come back the same after that kind of injury so late in their career, I think Walters is more versatile too, also joint top goal scorer. Edit: I'm not saying Odem hasn't done well for us but I think its time he went. I just get the feeling that if Walters, who has a year left, was going to be offered a contract extension, it would have happened by now. As it happens I also think you are a bit out of date with your injury prognosis. Some players are never the same - but an increasing number these days do recover full form and fitness - even at Wingie's age - thanks to improved surgery and rehab procedures. Walters has said that he has been nursing a knee injury most of the season
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 22, 2015 19:12:55 GMT
I just get the feeling that if Walters, who has a year left, was going to be offered a contract extension, it would have happened by now. As it happens I also think you are a bit out of date with your injury prognosis. Some players are never the same - but an increasing number these days do recover full form and fitness - even at Wingie's age - thanks to improved surgery and rehab procedures. Walters has said that he has been nursing a knee injury most of the season Yes, I know that.
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Post by upthefud on May 22, 2015 19:14:23 GMT
In fairness to Arnie, and any other player at the club if the oppurtunity presents itself then we should be always looking to improve. In fairness to Arnie he's had a lot of chances to prove himself and still hasn't consistently performed. If he's replaced he'll only have himself to blame.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 22, 2015 19:29:41 GMT
Much prefer Moses proven at this level feels like a cheap option and I fancy we may well finish up showing a negative net spend this summer
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 19:32:45 GMT
Much prefer Moses proven at this level feels like a cheap option and I fancy we may well finish up showing a negative net spend this summer You're being serious aren't you?
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Post by greystokie on May 22, 2015 19:33:44 GMT
Much prefer Moses proven at this level feels like a cheap option and I fancy we may well finish up showing a negative net spend this summer I'm Not convinced that Moses really wants to be here permanently and his proneness to injury concerns me greatly
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