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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 10:30:15 GMT
So Mr Sorenson -I can now safely assume you talk some shyte - when he DOESNT play for Stoke ? look forward to that - how long should I give it mate ? 6 months ? 12 perhaps ? hole dug - climb right in mate !and yes Bojan Is a benchmark - I'm expecting future signings to be in that class - or better (no more Brek Sheas) So what are you basing the fact that he's a "Show Pony" on? You Tube clips, or have you been scouring the Ukranian media for reports of how he's performing?
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 3, 2015 10:39:40 GMT
So Mr Sorenson -I can now safely assume you talk 'some shyte' - when he DOESNT play for Stoke ? look forward to that - how long should I give it mate ? 6 months ? 12 perhaps ? hole dug - climb right in mate !and yes Bojan Is a benchmark - I'm expecting future signings to be in that class - or better (no more Brek Sheas or Danny Collins -ever again ) Looks like each transfer from now on will have to be £15m plus.... Bojan was a one off. Not going to happen regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 10:44:08 GMT
whats wrong with having a personal view about a particular player (Yarmalenko) who, I think is a show pony myself (totally unsuited to the rigour of the Premier league) and - trusting our manager to bring in more players the like of Bojan or better
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wierd -wierd place is this
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 3, 2015 10:48:59 GMT
whats wrong with having a personal view about a particular player (Yarmalenko) who, I think is a show pony myself (totally unsuited to the rigour of the Premier league) and - trusting our manager to bring in more players the like of Bojan or better ????????????????????????????????????????????? wierd -wierd place is this Or in other words 'spend the money filling that fucking corner in'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 10:51:48 GMT
YEP I would rather than sign somebody whose not good enough to play in our league regularly
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 3, 2015 10:53:30 GMT
I'm not arsed about your (admittedly wrong) opinion about Yarmo, more that you seriously expect every player we buy to be as good as, or even better than Bojan? It's not a matter of trusting Hughes, I'd bet my bottom dollar that if you asked him if that will happen, he'd laugh. Bojan is a special case, he's probably much too good for us but you know his story about confidence and anxiety compacted by loan after loan. That's why we were ever in with a shout, because he'd fallen by the wayside.
That simply doesn't happen very often. If you expect every signing to be even equal to him you'd better start chipping in your share of the £20m for each one!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2015 10:53:39 GMT
Can we not file this under not going to happen, never will until he's about 35 and when he is 35 unless we're in the Championship or lower we wouldn't want him?
Ta.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 10:59:17 GMT
So Mr Sorenson -I can now safely assume you talk 'some shyte' - when he DOESNT play for Stoke ? look forward to that - how long should I give it mate ? 6 months ? 12 perhaps ? hole dug - climb right in mate !and yes Bojan Is a benchmark - I'm expecting future signings to be in that class - or better (no more Brek Sheas or Danny Collins -ever again ) What are you talking about?, when have I said he is signing for Stoke?.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 3, 2015 11:18:35 GMT
So Mr Sorenson -I can now safely assume you talk 'some shyte' - when he DOESNT play for Stoke ? look forward to that - how long should I give it mate ? 6 months ? 12 perhaps ? hole dug - climb right in mate !and yes Bojan Is a benchmark - I'm expecting future signings to be in that class - or better (no more Brek Sheas or Danny Collins -ever again ) What are you talking about?, when have I said he is signing for Stoke?. Tony, Sorenson is right. Most Stokies don't any longer expect us to sign Yarmolenko - although I do think Hughes tried before Yarmo signed his new contract. What most Stokies will disagree with you about is that Bojan is any sort of a benchmark as to the standard of player who represents the minimum standard we can now expect to sign. Bojan's true worth (after his rehabilitation with us) could pan out at anything between £15 million and god knows how many £million! We simply haven't got a cat in hell's chance of signing players at the bottom end of that range more than once every year or so. We might get lucky and get a player cheap coming towards the end of his contract. We might even get lucky and buy the occasional player for free who turns out to be worth over £10 million. Part of the problem with the very best players is that, even if they are out of contract, they expect a salary of the sort we just don't have the income to pay. We got Bojan for peanuts yet we still had to make him our top waged player. If he had cost what it turns out he was worth we could not have afforded his wages. But we got Bojan because he had fallen way down the pecking order of European players that he was virtually off the radar of very other club in our pay bracket. Remember we actually got him for a transfer fee of close to £500k - that simply isn't going to happen very often - quite possibly it will be the best value for money signing of a 23 year old that Hughes ever does in the whole of his managerial career - face up to that fact or you are going to end up very disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 11:59:12 GMT
whats wrong with having a personal view about a particular player (Yarmalenko) who, I think is a show pony myself (totally unsuited to the rigour of the Premier league) and - trusting our manager to bring in more players the like of Bojan or better ????????????????????????????????????????????? wierd -wierd place is this Nothing's wrong with anyone having an opinion, but it has to be based on something surely? If I just Google "Hadjuk Split", look down the squad list and the come to the conclusion that Dejan Mezga their midfielder is a lazy bastard based on a couple of You Tube clips to be fair my opinion isn't worth a wank. Neither would my opinion on the rights and wrongs of the 1666 Second Bremian War between the Swedish Empire and the town of Bremen as I know absolutely nothing about it. I'm sure you get my drift.....
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 3, 2015 12:10:20 GMT
What are you talking about?, when have I said he is signing for Stoke?. Tony, Sorenson is right. Most Stokies don't any longer expect us to sign Yarmolenko - although I do think Hughes tried before Yarmo signed his new ontract. What most Stokies will disagree with you about is that Bojan is any sort of a benchmark as to the standard of player who represents the minimum standard we can now expect to sign. Bojan's true worth (after his rehabilitation with us) could pan out at anything between £15 million and god knows how many £million! We simply haven't got a cat in hell's chance of signing players at the bottom end of that range more than once every year or so. We might get lucky and get a player cheap coming towards the end of his contract. We might even get lucky and buy the occasional player for free who turns out to be worth over £10 million. Part of the problem with the very best players is that, even if they are out of contract, they expect a salary of the sort we just don't have the income to pay. We got Bojan for peanuts yet we still had to make him our top waged player. If he had cost what it turns out he was worth we could not have afforded his wages. But we got Bojan because he had fallen way down the pecking order of European players that he was virtually off the radar of very other club in our pay bracket. Remember we actually got him for a transfer fee of close to £500k - that simply isn't going to happen very often - quite possibly it will be the best value for money signing of a 23 year old that Hughes ever does in the whole of his managerial career - face up to that fact or you are going to end up very disappointed. Was it not €500k Lakeland? Which I believe, given the exchange rate, equated to around one weeks wage for the present England Captain.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 3, 2015 12:27:12 GMT
Tony, Sorenson is right. Most Stokies don't any longer expect us to sign Yarmolenko - although I do think Hughes tried before Yarmo signed his new ontract. What most Stokies will disagree with you about is that Bojan is any sort of a benchmark as to the standard of player who represents the minimum standard we can now expect to sign. Bojan's true worth (after his rehabilitation with us) could pan out at anything between £15 million and god knows how many £million! We simply haven't got a cat in hell's chance of signing players at the bottom end of that range more than once every year or so. We might get lucky and get a player cheap coming towards the end of his contract. We might even get lucky and buy the occasional player for free who turns out to be worth over £10 million. Part of the problem with the very best players is that, even if they are out of contract, they expect a salary of the sort we just don't have the income to pay. We got Bojan for peanuts yet we still had to make him our top waged player. If he had cost what it turns out he was worth we could not have afforded his wages. But we got Bojan because he had fallen way down the pecking order of European players that he was virtually off the radar of very other club in our pay bracket. Remember we actually got him for a transfer fee of close to £500k - that simply isn't going to happen very often - quite possibly it will be the best value for money signing of a 23 year old that Hughes ever does in the whole of his managerial career - face up to that fact or you are going to end up very disappointed. Was it not €500k Lakeland? Which I believe, given the exchange rate, equated to around one weeks wage for the present England Captain. I think you may be right - certainly a fraction of what he is worth. If ukyetony thinks Hughes can pull that sort of deal off regularly, I'll have some of what he's smoking!
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jun 2, 2015 7:31:21 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 2, 2015 7:56:37 GMT
Stoke clearly tried really hard on this one but obviously it's not going to happen now.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jun 2, 2015 8:05:42 GMT
It would of happened last summer if anything, can't see owt happening now!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 2, 2015 8:29:40 GMT
Would like to see us match the money offered but even then I think we will end up at the back of the queue.
Can we afford 20m transfer fee? Begovic leaving would put 10-12m towards it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 2, 2015 9:08:57 GMT
We shouldn't be paying 20million for anyone.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 2, 2015 9:19:09 GMT
Scholes out.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 2, 2015 9:28:55 GMT
We shouldn't be paying 20million for anyone. Quite right. I posted an analysis during the season that indicated that those players who are transferred for more than £10m are more likely to disappoint than they are to "pay their way". Only the very, very best actually deliver their transfer value. Put it another way, if you spend over £10m on a player you are more likely than not to be spending unwisely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 9:31:42 GMT
It will be interesting to see where he ends up, in terms of country and club.
If it's here, you'd be hard pressed to find a top 4 club looking at him surely? You'd be looking at Liverpool and Tottenham like the article suggests, with an outside punt on Southampton if they are feeling flush.
My bet is he will end up at a big club in Italy.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jun 2, 2015 10:51:15 GMT
It will be interesting to see where he ends up, in terms of country and club. If it's here, you'd be hard pressed to find a top 4 club looking at him surely? You'd be looking at Liverpool and Tottenham like the article suggests, with an outside punt on Southampton if they are feeling flush. My bet is he will end up at a big club in Italy. Not sure many clubs in Italy are paying these types of fees though. Although Milan are said to be going big this summer to restore their failing team. I don't think he would fit Juve so I think that can only really leave Roma or Napoli. Lazio appear to have somewhat abandoned huge transfer fees.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 2, 2015 10:58:36 GMT
We shouldn't be paying 20million for anyone. Quite right. I posted an analysis during the season that indicated that those players who are transferred for more than £10m are more likely to disappoint than they are to "pay their way". Only the very, very best actually deliver their transfer value. Put it another way, if you spend over £10m on a player you are more likely than not to be spending unwisely. It's common sense really, the only guaranteed value is either to buy cheap or buying expensive. Buying cheap you can't lose money while buying expensive usually guarantees genuine quality! A club like Hull fell in between both stools, buying moderately expensive and only occasionally getting VFM. Disasters include Sagbo, the worst forward in 'PL' history!
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Post by lordb on Jun 2, 2015 11:09:43 GMT
It will be interesting to see where he ends up, in terms of country and club. If it's here, you'd be hard pressed to find a top 4 club looking at him surely? You'd be looking at Liverpool and Tottenham like the article suggests, with an outside punt on Southampton if they are feeling flush. My bet is he will end up at a big club in Italy. Not sure many clubs in Italy are paying these types of fees though. Although Milan are said to be going big this summer to restore their failing team. I don't think he would fit Juve so I think that can only really leave Roma or Napoli. Lazio appear to have somewhat abandoned huge transfer fees. Also the market has changed seems that fewer & fewer Italian clubs are offering the type of wages even middling Premiership clubs (like us) can offer. In,even the recent,past it would be expected players would turn down clubs like us when Milan,Inter,Lzio come calling. Not sure that will still be so evident now & definatley not when the new Prem TV deal kicks in. Yes there will be some clubs abroad who will always attract the best players but that lits of clubs is getting smaller & smaller.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 2, 2015 11:12:37 GMT
We shouldn't be paying 20million for anyone. I agree, a lot of players signed for this sort of money have turned out flops!
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