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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 13:56:40 GMT
personally i really don't see the worry many seem to have over Butland. the hyperbole they use is ludicrous and makes him sound like he's the next Rob Green who'll spend most of his time falling over his feet and throwing the ball into his own net!
we've been very very lucky with Asmir!!! he's a quality keeper and one that (by rights) we should never have got in the first place; we poached him at the last minute from Spurs and he could easily have gone to a club like Chelsea or the Bindippers in terms of how good he is. the simple fact that some on here a season back said they would demand a fee of £15-20mill proves that he's the kind of player that we'll get very very rarely and when we do, will seriously struggle to keep hold of..in other words, ANYONE we sign will be a comedown from Asmir as the keepers around his standard won't come to us as they'll be off to Champs league sides. you can't have it both ways lads; spouting on about how's one of the best in europe and then moan because his replacement isn't up to that standard (if our replacement WAS then he wouldn't fecking well be/come here!!!!)
with that in mind, i'm happy with Butland being our current number 2 and likely successor to Begovic's spot. Begovic was by NO MEANS the finished article when he got his number 1 spot either and in games he had appeared in before he became the regular keeper he was shaky as shit and not someone i felt comfortable with when it came to distribution, gathering crosses or organising his defence. at times, he was all over the place! Jack is young, the England U21 regular (for a reason remember!!!) and has bags of potential.
we're not little old Stoke anymore granted but we ARE still Stoke...not Chelsea, Man City or Man Utd. if you want to watch a keeper up to Asmir's standard next season (if he leaves) then start supporting a side in the top 4. Butland may not be at his level as yet but i see absolutely nothing whatsoever to say he can't get there and i'm more than happy for him to start that progression whilst having 10 men in Red and white stripes in front of him!
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 19, 2015 7:50:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 9:11:27 GMT
Time for him to move on I feel, he's a top class keeper who I have a lot of time for, but he has been below par this season and probably needs a step up and european football if he is to reach his potential. We should cash in (£10m+ hopefully) and give Jack the number 1 spot.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 19, 2015 9:13:35 GMT
He is currently playing like his mind is elsewhere.
Now it could be just coincidence and him having a bad run of form but some of his decision making seems very clouded.
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Post by obhstokie on Apr 19, 2015 9:22:13 GMT
I do not see why he would want to go to Inter, I know they have a great history and all that but they are 10th in Serie A whereas we are 9th in the Premier League. They have no chance of getting European football so I really don't see this as a step up to be honest. Maybe 5 years ago but not today, may be we should try and tempt shaquri again in the summer
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 19, 2015 9:33:41 GMT
All agent briefing and hype to raise the stakes .
For me id say sign or we are going to give butland these 5 games we are the only club he can sign form early and we have close to a replacement . We have a couple of million still to play for and he needs to be focused or on the bench
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 9:35:57 GMT
All guff he's still s Stokie and will remain one next season.
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 19, 2015 9:40:34 GMT
Don't understand why we haven't loaned Butland out. If it's because we are going to give him a few games at the end of the season, we still could have loaned him out for a month or two before then.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 19, 2015 12:55:09 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 20, 2015 14:12:38 GMT
linkInter are keen to get their hands on Begovic according to Gazzetta dello Sport but are wary of Stoke's financial demands. Stoke have slapped a 14m euro asking price on Begovic
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Post by agingerstokie on Apr 20, 2015 15:16:33 GMT
linkInter are keen to get their hands on Begovic according to Gazzetta dello Sport but are wary of Stoke's financial demands. Stoke have slapped a 14m euro asking price on Begovic
I doubt we will get 10m for him with 1 year on his deal Sent from my SD4930UR using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 15:41:58 GMT
I'm with Mick Mills on this.
Jack is young and English with bags of potential.
Asmir has performed extremely well for us and I wish him well.
As much as I would miss him I am just as pleased to see another Englishman in the starting eleven.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 20, 2015 15:49:47 GMT
We'd be fucking idiots not to cash in now. Particularly given we've got a fine young goalkeeper who won't hang around if he's sitting on the bench again next season. Financially and logically a no brainer.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 20, 2015 15:58:02 GMT
Also its important to be seen to give young players a chance. Remember the likes of Ben Foster not getting a look-in with keepers ahead of him and having to leave to get a start.
Sometimes it is important to get younger players in the starting eleven and it bodes well when trying to get new Barca under-21 stars.
If we get 10m then thanks Asmir but let him go
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Post by entropy92 on Apr 20, 2015 16:23:39 GMT
Big blind jump going from Bego to Butland but one that has to be done now. Bego has been the difference for us in countless games and Butland is an unknown quantity but if hes not given the chance next season we risk getting sweet f.a. for Bego and Butland will be seething aswell I fear.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 20, 2015 16:31:03 GMT
I really want to see him go to Real Madrid, a top European club. Somewhere he will fulfill his potential. Not somewhere like fucking Arsenal. Pile of shit.
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Post by march4 on Apr 20, 2015 19:39:56 GMT
Butland isn't yet good enough.
Sorro is leaving.
If Bego goes we need not one but two new goalkeepers.
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Post by Will_75 on Apr 22, 2015 11:21:27 GMT
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Post by nott1 on Apr 22, 2015 11:35:20 GMT
Butland isn't yet good enough. Sorro is leaving. If Bego goes we need not one but two new goalkeepers. They are ten a penny!
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Post by sportsman on Apr 22, 2015 18:25:01 GMT
He's on question of sport tonight BBC1
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Post by jeycov on Apr 22, 2015 18:40:35 GMT
Big blind jump going from Bego to Butland but one that has to be done now. Bego has been the difference for us in countless games and Butland is an unknown quantity but if hes not given the chance next season we risk getting sweet f.a. for Bego and Butland will be seething aswell I fear. Like any new player , especially a GK, there is a certain amount of adjustment when making the step up to a first team. He's had experience at Championship level and is ready to progress Mistakes will be made as he settles in, he will need our support. The club believe in him and he is a great signing
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 22, 2015 19:32:57 GMT
[Like any new player , especially a GK, there is a certain amount of adjustment when making the step up to a first team.
He's had experience at Championship level and is ready to progress
Mistakes will be made as he settles in, he will need our support.
The club believe in him and he is a great signing [/quote]
Good post.
Although I'd like Asmir to stay, I'll be (happily) surprised if he's here next season.
Jack Butland will become a top keeper.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 22, 2015 23:53:37 GMT
[Like any new player , especially a GK, there is a certain amount of adjustment when making the step up to a first team. He's had experience at Championship level and is ready to progress Mistakes will be made as he settles in, he will need our support. The club believe in him and he is a great signing Good post. Although I'd like Asmir to stay, I'll be (happily) surprised if he's here next season. Jack Butland will become a top keeper.[/quote] Really pleased he just signed a longer contract, because if he does become a top keeper he will probably be just as hard to hold onto as Bego seems to be
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