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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 12, 2015 20:27:28 GMT
It's pretty obvious when he's played..... he's barely been given a chance though to get settled in. A few games, decent saves and clean sheets will improve his confidence
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2015 20:29:43 GMT
It's pretty obvious when he's played..... he's barely been given a chance though to get settled in. A few games, decent saves and clean sheets will improve his confidence We haven't won a league game he's played in which I find worrying although I do like him. He isn't as good as Bego and we won't know if he will be for another 2/3 years because of his age but at the current time I'd say he was a distance off but that's about right for where Butland is in his development.
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Post by timbo1988 on Apr 12, 2015 20:36:11 GMT
It's pretty obvious when he's played..... he's barely been given a chance though to get settled in. A few games, decent saves and clean sheets will improve his confidence Look at the way the defence plays when he does play! Liverpool last year and Blackburn away this year! Looks indecisive to me when he has played but a good shot stopper! Begovic is one of the best in the world and yes his form has dropped from last year but the defence in front of him as been ever changing this season with the same back 4 hardly ever playing 2 games in a row! The difference between Begovic and Butland is significant currently!
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 12, 2015 20:53:56 GMT
I wonder if it's a bit like the situation that Arsenal had with Vieira and Henry. They resisted lots of interest for both and then in the following season, they were both good, but were a long way off their best - in each case, they had their eyes on potential suitors, rather than playing for Arsenal. It might be that he was hoping that a decent World Cup would see a big club swoop in and take him away, only for the interest to never materialise.
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Post by nonameface on Apr 16, 2015 18:04:43 GMT
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 16, 2015 19:35:30 GMT
His agent seems sure a big club will come in for him, and wants Asmir to hold of signing a new contract as it will make it harder for him to convince a club to pay the money Stoke. His agent does not want him to sign and is advising Asmir that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2015 19:36:22 GMT
Anyone else kind of gone past caring already?
We aren't even 5 minutes into it.
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 16, 2015 19:44:21 GMT
His agent seems sure a big club will come in for him, and wants Asmir to hold of signing a new contract as it will make it harder for him to convince a club to pay the money Stoke. His agent does not want him to sign and is advising Asmir that. Do you know of any clubs that are interested?
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Post by bolders on Apr 16, 2015 19:46:43 GMT
Wasn't Inter interested in him and were mooted to want to pay up to £12 mil for him?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 19:48:34 GMT
His agent seems sure a big club will come in for him, and wants Asmir to hold of signing a new contract as it will make it harder for him to convince a club to pay the money Stoke. His agent does not want him to sign and is advising Asmir that. We should have signed him up to a long contract a few years ago, or sold him for what he is worth. We'll be lucky to see 8M with how things stand. Stoke have massively fcuked up here.
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Post by agingerstokie on Apr 16, 2015 20:24:20 GMT
His agent seems sure a big club will come in for him, and wants Asmir to hold of signing a new contract as it will make it harder for him to convince a club to pay the money Stoke. His agent does not want him to sign and is advising Asmir that. We should have signed him up to a long contract a few years ago, or sold him for what he is worth. We'll be lucky to see 8M with how things stand. Stoke have massively fcuked up here. Absolute shambles of a situation the club have got into. Im still at a loss at what Butland was promised to sign that contract he's effectively signed half his career away if Bego stays as I cant see why someone would buy Butland as it stands Sent from my SD4930UR using proboards
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2015 20:27:04 GMT
You can blame the club all you want.....do we know that they didn't offer him a contract last summer and he rejected it?
We've generally kept our start player with 2 yrs in arrears on contracts, the two we haven't are Fonz (who we know is a pain in the arse) and Bego who isn't an angel either.....Shrewsbury comes to mind.
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Post by agingerstokie on Apr 16, 2015 20:28:40 GMT
You can blame the club all you want.....do we know that they didn't offer him a contract last summer and he rejected it? We've generally kept our start player with 2 yrs in arrears on contracts, the two we haven't are Fonz (who we know is a pain in the arse) and Bego who isn't an angel either.....Shrewsbury comes to mind. That is a fair point but they can be blamed for not being tactical and selling when the price was high if there were doubts over whether they would sign a contract Sent from my SD4930UR using proboards
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 16, 2015 20:28:43 GMT
His agent seems sure a big club will come in for him, and wants Asmir to hold of signing a new contract as it will make it harder for him to convince a club to pay the money Stoke. His agent does not want him to sign and is advising Asmir that. Do you know of any clubs that are interested? It's true what the club said in the past 2 windows that no club made an offer or even asked about Asmir, all paper reports of interest would be probably made by agents
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2015 20:32:17 GMT
You can blame the club all you want.....do we know that they didn't offer him a contract last summer and he rejected it? We've generally kept our start player with 2 yrs in arrears on contracts, the two we haven't are Fonz (who we know is a pain in the arse) and Bego who isn't an angel either.....Shrewsbury comes to mind. That is a fair point but they can be blamed for not being tactical and selling when the price was high if there were doubts over whether they would sign a contract Sent from my SD4930UR using proboards We held on for top dollar.....I don't find that an issue tbh. The World Cup didn't do Bego or us any favours either. With Fonzy, I'd rather we let him go on a free than sell him for 4/5m this summer tbh. You can't buckle when they've got 2 yrs left on a contract, it's a massively weak position for future negotiations with other players.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 16, 2015 20:36:01 GMT
The club have put their faith in Jack, like any player he will take time to settle in the first team - a risk / compromise that will be taken when Asmir moves on.
I do think that the current management expected Asmir to be playing elsewhere this season and now are prepared to sell him for a good price
Asmir will be keeping his options open
He wants to play at the highest level
Asmir and the club are being very sensible in concentrating on our next 6 games - or at least delaying any details re his future
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Post by agingerstokie on Apr 16, 2015 20:43:02 GMT
I agree re. Zonz but regarding Bego if he does go this summer I hope its for a decent wedge otherwise I feel it will be a chance missed to invest a large chunk into the squad which has showed its lack of depth at times this season and regardless of what others believe I think Butland is more than ready to be our no.1.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 16, 2015 20:47:10 GMT
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Post by agingerstokie on Apr 16, 2015 20:50:47 GMT
Im thinking more 7-8m tops now his stock has fallen dramatically he isnt talked about amongst top goalkeepers in the prem anymore but some sides do pay over the top for players wouldnt surprise me if Inter did stump up 12m wouldnt be the strangest transfer ive seen Sent from my SD4930UR using proboards
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Post by rednwhite43 on Apr 16, 2015 21:12:48 GMT
enjoy this one, we need a top top out and out striker, let's move Bego on create so capital and buy buy buy a top striker. How about Charlie Austin? We have but land And Sorensen Bego making to many mistakes great shot stopper but so are the rest!
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Post by rednwhite43 on Apr 16, 2015 21:14:02 GMT
enjoy this one, we need a top top out and out striker, let's move Bego on create so capital and buy buy buy a top striker. How about Charlie Austin? We have but land And Sorensen Bego making to many mistakes great shot stopper but so are the rest!
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 17, 2015 10:18:47 GMT
linkNot sure the source is reliable, but a bit of Begovic-Real Madrid tittle tattle in Spain
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Post by unknown182 on Apr 17, 2015 10:27:37 GMT
I'm more worried about N'zonzi at the moment. We need him signing a contract ASAP.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 17, 2015 10:39:16 GMT
I'm resigned to the fact he's going to leave.
I wouldn't begrudge Asmir a move to Madrid. I would proudly watch him playing in goal for one of the best clubs in the world. If he goes on a free, it's our own fault for not sorting his contract situation sooner.
I would never forgive him signing for Arsenal though. There's the line Asmir, and if you are reading this (I know some players read the Oatcake), signing for Arsenal would be the ultimate betrayal of the fans who have supported you through thick and thin.
Make the right decision.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 17, 2015 10:47:04 GMT
linkNot sure the source is reliable, but a bit of Begovic-Real Madrid tittle tattle in Spain Not that it necessarily means owt but the account has 660k followers!
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Post by GlennA on Apr 17, 2015 10:52:33 GMT
If Asmir does go for something less than the crazy figures bandied about in the past, then I honestly don't see why the club should be to blame. Other clubs, the player and his advisors all make their own decisions. The world doesn't revolve around SCFC, much as we'd like it to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 10:57:49 GMT
I think Bego will still be our player next season and he will sign a new contract as will Fonzy.
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Post by george2again on Apr 17, 2015 13:33:13 GMT
Another scenario could be that we do not sell unless we get 10 mill (worth 15-18 while two years plus on contract) . That would mean hes with us for another year and the chance at the end of that no big clubs want him. In the meantime we tempt him with a lucrative contract. We still hold the cards if we are not bothered in losing what we get for him in the summer. I would not take less than 10 mill unless we can extract some decent players from ''Big club''. Would not begrudge him Madrid but not Liverpool.
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Post by george2again on Apr 17, 2015 13:37:29 GMT
linkNot sure the source is reliable, but a bit of Begovic-Real Madrid tittle tattle in Spain If that's true a fee would have to be agreed before Stoke let him talk to them. Bego would not be happy if Stoke refused to release him to go there, but the price has to be right for us. Sure some swappsies can be arranged.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 17, 2015 13:38:27 GMT
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