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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 17, 2015 19:30:04 GMT
'Mercenaries', as they were called by the American Patriots. And 'Hessians' after the kingdom of Hesse, where quite a few originated from. A lot of contemporary writings refer to the Hessians, who were feared for their military competence and ruthlessness, particularly the cavalry detachments. I believe quite a few stayed behind after the war and bought land with their army pensions, becoming the first strain of strong German heritage in the USA's melting pot. On a separate point, one thing that always impresses me about Americans is their knowledge of their country's history. They seem much better informed than their average British counterpart's knowledge of UK history. Which suits me down the ground as a history geek and complete Americanophile (nowt dodgy, mind ). Outed. And that's not English either.
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Post by liveattheoasis on Mar 17, 2015 19:37:44 GMT
In.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 17, 2015 19:59:59 GMT
You would make a very good History teacher. Bet you would retire at 55 though.... I am actually an English teacher, with a degree in English Lit and American Studies. Got my eye on 58 or so, I call it 2020 vision, which is the year I'll be 58. I retired at 58, Linx - which in my case was just coming up to 11 years ago. It is a good age to go, gives you the chance to unwind and do things you've always wanted to do before you start to notice the grim reaper in the distance. I can't see him yet but that is probably because I'm looking in the wrong direction!
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 17, 2015 20:11:43 GMT
Correct, wasn't really an ass kicking. Merely a narrow victory pulled off by a bunch of farmers fighting against the British military. And we couldn't have pulled it off without the French, who were still pissed at you over the Seven Years War. In fact they spent so much money helping us defeat you it led to the French Revolution. And the Native American would have better off with a British victory, unless the Brits treated them the way they treated the colonists. Then they would have been fucked either way. And the political system here definitely ties the military's hands, but it's still far and away the strongest military on the planet. And the burning of our capital was more an act of vandalism than kicking our ass in a battle. That's as good a summary of the War of Independence as I've read. Isn't it fair to say that, initially at least, the majority of colonists were fiercely loyal to the idea of staying 'British' and were mainly in dispute over political suffrage and had no intention of forming an independent nation? It was the intransigent response of Lord North and King George III that forced them down the independence route. British parliament just did not take them seriously and acted with prejudice and contempt, which just exacerbated the situation and led more and more colonists to listen to the revolutionary writings and rhetoric of the more 'extreme' local politicos. Also, over a third of the British army in North America were actually Germans, recruited from Hanoverian territories in Europe. Thought the Krauts were all Hessians?
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Post by Linx on Mar 17, 2015 20:41:02 GMT
That's as good a summary of the War of Independence as I've read. Isn't it fair to say that, initially at least, the majority of colonists were fiercely loyal to the idea of staying 'British' and were mainly in dispute over political suffrage and had no intention of forming an independent nation? It was the intransigent response of Lord North and King George III that forced them down the independence route. British parliament just did not take them seriously and acted with prejudice and contempt, which just exacerbated the situation and led more and more colonists to listen to the revolutionary writings and rhetoric of the more 'extreme' local politicos. Also, over a third of the British army in North America were actually Germans, recruited from Hanoverian territories in Europe. Thought the Krauts were all Hessians? Not all, but a considerable number were from Hesse, which I think was a vassal state of Hanover, and therefore owed loyalty to George III who was also Elector of Hanover. The colonials just referred to them all as Hessians, whether they were from Hesse or not.
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 17, 2015 20:46:14 GMT
'Mercenaries', as they were called by the American Patriots. And 'Hessians' after the kingdom of Hesse, where quite a few originated from. A lot of contemporary writings refer to the Hessians, who were feared for their military competence and ruthlessness, particularly the cavalry detachments. I believe quite a few stayed behind after the war and bought land with their army pensions, becoming the first strain of strong German heritage in the USA's melting pot.On a separate point, one thing that always impresses me about Americans is their knowledge of their country's history. They seem much better informed than their average British counterpart's knowledge of UK history. Which suits me down the ground as a history geek and complete Americanophile (nowt dodgy, mind ). And all you lucky bastards should be thankful, for that is what brought you Hartz.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2015 20:58:09 GMT
Sorry to interupt this discussion on the American Revolutionary War, but would anyone be interested in a trip to see Orlando City vs Sporting Kansas City on Sunday September 13?
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2015 20:58:32 GMT
At the Citru Bowl. 7 PM kick off
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Post by Linx on Mar 17, 2015 20:59:27 GMT
And 'Hessians' after the kingdom of Hesse, where quite a few originated from. A lot of contemporary writings refer to the Hessians, who were feared for their military competence and ruthlessness, particularly the cavalry detachments. I believe quite a few stayed behind after the war and bought land with their army pensions, becoming the first strain of strong German heritage in the USA's melting pot.On a separate point, one thing that always impresses me about Americans is their knowledge of their country's history. They seem much better informed than their average British counterpart's knowledge of UK history. Which suits me down the ground as a history geek and complete Americanophile (nowt dodgy, mind ). And all you lucky bastards should be thankful, for that is what brought you Hartz. Considering the impact that German-Americans have had on their country's history and economy, it's still surprising that we haven't yet had a president with a German name. When I was at uni in the 1980s, the American history tutors were all very excited at the election of Reagan, because he was only the second president (after Kennedy) that was from a non-WASP heritage (if you include the Dutch Roosevelts as WASPs, which you probably do). And now, of course, you have Obama, which completely tears up the rule book on all over again .
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Post by tijuanabrass on Mar 17, 2015 21:12:47 GMT
Wouldn't Obama's Mother have been a WASP, albeit an atypical one?
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 17, 2015 21:31:05 GMT
At the Citru Bowl. 7 PM kick off I'll be there lad.
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 17, 2015 21:43:52 GMT
Ok lads aye up? Need to know how many of you lot want to join the USA Stoke Supporters Branch. Club is asking me for approx number of members before we can go any further. Want to use this thread to gain an approximate number and then I'll contact those interested in joining soon. Hi mailman! I run the Niagara branch in Canada, and I know there's already a branch run by a lad in Baltimore, but I don't think he posts on here. As Lakeland said, it might be a great idea to all coordinate our efforts in some way? What are you thinking?
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Post by Lesalanos on Mar 17, 2015 21:48:48 GMT
I'll sign my mate up, mainevillestokie based out of Cincinnati. I'm half and half, just moved back from Savannah GA. There are a few Stokies there, predominantly as a result of my missionary work
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 17, 2015 22:05:46 GMT
I'll sign my mate up, mainevillestokie based out of Cincinnati. I'm half and half, just moved back from Savannah GA. There are a few Stokies there, predominantly as a result of my missionary work Take the plunge laddy, "Feed your lawn, feed it!"
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 17, 2015 22:20:36 GMT
And all you lucky bastards should be thankful, for that is what brought you Hartz. Considering the impact that German-Americans have had on their country's history and economy, it's still surprising that we haven't yet had a president with a German name. When I was at uni in the 1980s, the American history tutors were all very excited at the election of Reagan, because he was only the second president (after Kennedy) that was from a non-WASP heritage (if you include the Dutch Roosevelts as WASPs, which you probably do). And now, of course, you have Obama, which completely tears up the rule book on all over again . Because Obama is ... muslim and not born in the U.S?
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 17, 2015 22:22:05 GMT
I'll sign my mate up, mainevillestokie based out of Cincinnati. I'm half and half, just moved back from Savannah GA. There are a few Stokies there, predominantly as a result of my missionary work Go Reds!
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Post by newstokejersey on Mar 17, 2015 22:22:21 GMT
Count me in. Short Hills, New Jersey.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2015 22:23:06 GMT
Considering the impact that German-Americans have had on their country's history and economy, it's still surprising that we haven't yet had a president with a German name. When I was at uni in the 1980s, the American history tutors were all very excited at the election of Reagan, because he was only the second president (after Kennedy) that was from a non-WASP heritage (if you include the Dutch Roosevelts as WASPs, which you probably do). And now, of course, you have Obama, which completely tears up the rule book on all over again . Because Obama is ... muslim and not born in the U.S? Trouble-maker!
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 17, 2015 22:31:11 GMT
Because Obama is ... muslim and not born in the U.S? Trouble-maker! He is a trouble maker, but he still manages to get a Nobel peace prize whilst being the leader of a country engaged in, at least, 2 wars at the same time. That's some skill right there!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 17, 2015 22:50:33 GMT
I conna get on board with all this shit of Yanks 'supporting' us. None of you were here when we were shit in the past, and none of you will be here when we're shit again in the future. You'll all reinvent your stories of how you didn't want to support one of the big, successful teams & 'x-team' appealed to you blah-de-blah.
Enjoy your bandwagon, I doubt anyone will notice when you've fallen off.
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 17, 2015 22:54:15 GMT
I conna get on board with all this shit of Yanks 'supporting' us. None of you were here when we were shit in the past, and none of you will be here when we're shit again in the future. You'll all reinvent your stories of how you didn't want to support one of the big, successful teams & 'x-team' appealed to you blah-de-blah. Enjoy your bandwagon, I doubt anyone will notice when you've fallen off. Thank you, appreciate your insight. So is that a "no"?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 17, 2015 23:08:38 GMT
Thank you, appreciate your insight. So is that a "no"? A big 'no'... Go Broncos!
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 17, 2015 23:12:53 GMT
I conna get on board with all this shit of Yanks 'supporting' us. None of you were here when we were shit in the past, and none of you will be here when we're shit again in the future. You'll all reinvent your stories of how you didn't want to support one of the big, successful teams & 'x-team' appealed to you blah-de-blah. Enjoy your bandwagon, I doubt anyone will notice when you've fallen off. Thank you, appreciate your insight. So is that a "no"? I'd say it's a maybe, but to avoid having to throw him out of your membership club on his first day, a 'no' would be the easy play.
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 17, 2015 23:40:23 GMT
Thank you, appreciate your insight. So is that a "no"? I'd say it's a maybe, but to avoid having to throw him out of your membership club on his first day, a 'no' would be the easy play. And you just know DC would be the first one to ask for benefits to join our storied ranks! The sense of entitlement buggers belief, probably collecting benefits that would make a single mother of 8 blush ....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 17, 2015 23:59:57 GMT
Another one saying it should be the 'North American Club' , signing up from Calgary, Alberta!! We already have a Canadian branch Edited to add, that half the American supporters are probably closer to you though, since we're in Niagara. I'd join the Canada branch, bayern oot.
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Post by pbrmeasap on Mar 18, 2015 0:10:43 GMT
Add another Floridian to the tally. St Augustine via Orlando via Wisconsin but always a Stokie at heart. Let's meet at Greenhoff's before the April 28th Sunderland game. Will be there and also for the Swansea away game. Need to expand this thread into a legitimate association of sorts so as to spread the good word of all that is SCFC!
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Post by papotter on Mar 18, 2015 0:29:02 GMT
I'm in, I'll support a fancy 8th placed fancy team. Philly 'burbs.
You don't have to be American do you?
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 18, 2015 0:39:48 GMT
All right lads, creeping up in 40 members, more like it! Tomorrow evening EST I'll shoot the email to the club with our @ numbers. Then the fun starts. Also have gotten a lot of PMs regarding whether or not we will make it mandatory to buy all 17 pieces in the SoccerStarz collection. That is an emphatic "NO"!!!! Although I felt much better on Saturday after bollocking my collection of Stoke SoccerStarz figurines (I set Bojan off to the side to make sure he didn't get any dog's abuse, he donner deserve it) to buy then is a personal decision way outside the charter of this association to mandate.
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 18, 2015 0:40:10 GMT
He is a trouble maker, but he still manages to get a Nobel peace prize whilst being the leader of a country engaged in, at least, 2 wars at the same time. That's some skill right there! You're kidding me, right?
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 18, 2015 0:41:00 GMT
Considering the impact that German-Americans have had on their country's history and economy, it's still surprising that we haven't yet had a president with a German name. When I was at uni in the 1980s, the American history tutors were all very excited at the election of Reagan, because he was only the second president (after Kennedy) that was from a non-WASP heritage (if you include the Dutch Roosevelts as WASPs, which you probably do). And now, of course, you have Obama, which completely tears up the rule book on all over again . Because Obama is ... muslim and not born in the U.S? Again, you're kidding me, right?
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