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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 18, 2015 10:22:18 GMT
Some people don't give a toss about the suffering and discomfort they cause to fellow supporters. It's all good having a laugh and a sing song and knocking ale back but sadly some ignorant selfish people ruin all this by behaving in a way they know will spoil somebody elses day.
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Post by moaty on Mar 18, 2015 10:38:32 GMT
Some people don't give a toss about the suffering and discomfort they cause to fellow supporters. It's all good having a laugh and a sing song and knocking ale back but sadly some ignorant selfish people ruin all this by behaving in a way they know will spoil somebody elses day. In some circumstances yes, i really don't see how a smoke bomb can 'ruin' someones day though. I mean its not got the greatest smell in the world but neither have farts or smoking in toilets but people constantly do it in the ground. An absolutely daft comparison, yes i know, however the principle is still the same. Some people on this board need to lighten the fuck up. (not a dig at you joe, either)
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2015 11:42:25 GMT
Some people don't give a toss about the suffering and discomfort they cause to fellow supporters. It's all good having a laugh and a sing song and knocking ale back but sadly some ignorant selfish people ruin all this by behaving in a way they know will spoil somebody elses day. In some circumstances yes, i really don't see how a smoke bomb can 'ruin' someones day though. I mean its not got the greatest smell in the world but neither have farts or smoking in toilets but people constantly do it in the ground. An absolutely daft comparison, yes i know, however the principle is still the same. Some people on this board need to lighten the fuck up. (not a dig at you joe, either) If and when you have the misfortune to suffer from c.o.p.d. then you would know how the ILLEGAL ACT of setting off smoke bombs and flares can "ruin" your day,typical response from someone with no concern for anyone but themselves
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Post by moaty on Mar 18, 2015 11:48:19 GMT
In some circumstances yes, i really don't see how a smoke bomb can 'ruin' someones day though. I mean its not got the greatest smell in the world but neither have farts or smoking in toilets but people constantly do it in the ground. An absolutely daft comparison, yes i know, however the principle is still the same. Some people on this board need to lighten the fuck up. (not a dig at you joe, either) If and when you have the misfortune to suffer from c.o.p.d. then you would know how the ILLEGAL ACT of setting off smoke bombs and flares can "ruin" your day,typical response from someone with no concern for anyone but themselves I have asthma but people still CONTINUALLY smoke in the toilets at away games, i know many people that hate it, but still it happens more than smoke bombs being set off.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2015 11:55:51 GMT
If and when you have the misfortune to suffer from c.o.p.d. then you would know how the ILLEGAL ACT of setting off smoke bombs and flares can "ruin" your day,typical response from someone with no concern for anyone but themselves I have asthma but people still CONTINUALLY smoke in the toilets at away games, i know many people that hate it, but still it happens more than smoke bombs being set off.
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Post by moaty on Mar 18, 2015 12:01:13 GMT
I'm just justifying anything though. I'm just making a comparison. I hate smoking in toilets but don't constantly moan about it like you lot regarding some smoke.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2015 12:05:52 GMT
I'm just justifying anything though. I'm just making a comparison. I hate smoking in toilets but don't constantly moan about it like you lot regarding some smoke. If you hate smoking in toilets and don`t complain you are condoning a anti-social and illegal act. It is not about moaning,smoke fumes etc. can leave me in a distressed state for days.
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Post by moaty on Mar 18, 2015 12:10:23 GMT
I'm just justifying anything though. I'm just making a comparison. I hate smoking in toilets but don't constantly moan about it like you lot regarding some smoke. If you hate smoking in toilets and don`t complain you are condoning a anti-social and illegal act. It is not about moaning,smoke fumes etc. can leave me in a distressed state for days. Behave yourself I'm not condoning anything, i just cant be arsed to complain about other stokies.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2015 12:13:28 GMT
If you hate smoking in toilets and don`t complain you are condoning a anti-social and illegal act. It is not about moaning,smoke fumes etc. can leave me in a distressed state for days. Behave yourself I'm not condoning anything, i just cant be arsed to complain about other stokies. It is just my pet hate, really has a adverse effect for me for days so i find it putting me off attending.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 18, 2015 12:18:27 GMT
If you hate smoking in toilets and don`t complain you are condoning a anti-social and illegal act. It is not about moaning,smoke fumes etc. can leave me in a distressed state for days. Behave yourself I'm not condoning anything, i just cant be arsed to complain about other stokies. OK, you can't be arsed to complain about smoking - that's your right. So why are you bothered to moan about those who do complain about smoke bombs and/or smoking - that is their right.
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Post by moaty on Mar 18, 2015 12:48:45 GMT
Behave yourself I'm not condoning anything, i just cant be arsed to complain about other stokies. OK, you can't be arsed to complain about smoking - that's your right. So why are you bothered to moan about those who do complain about smoke bombs and/or smoking - that is their right. Because i see people moaning about smoke bombs, and it does my head in, so that's why i bring up the smoking. Moaning for the sake of it.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2015 12:58:59 GMT
OK, you can't be arsed to complain about smoking - that's your right. So why are you bothered to moan about those who do complain about smoke bombs and/or smoking - that is their right. Because i see people moaning about smoke bombs, and it does my head in, so that's why i bring up the smoking. Moaning for the sake of it. Moaning because i do not see why some knuckle dragging brain-dead antisocial arse-holes should ,by committing a criminal act be allowed to get away with actions which are detrimental to my and others well-being. If i wanted to breathe in smoke, i would smoke,if i wanted to see and breathe flares i am sure they are too readily available to buy,i wish to breathe nothing but fresh air and have a right to do so.
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Post by moaty on Mar 18, 2015 13:01:50 GMT
Because i see people moaning about smoke bombs, and it does my head in, so that's why i bring up the smoking. Moaning for the sake of it. Moaning because i do not see why some knuckle dragging brain-dead antisocial arse-holes should ,by committing a criminal act be allowed to get away with actions which are detrimental to my and others well-being. If i wanted to breathe in smoke, i would smoke,if i wanted to see and breathe flares i am sure they are too readily available to buy,i wish to breathe nothing but fresh air and have a right to do so. So just to clarify, someone who bring a smoke bomb into a football ground is brain dead? Fucking hell, get a grip
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2015 13:11:49 GMT
Moaning because i do not see why some knuckle dragging brain-dead antisocial arse-holes should ,by committing a criminal act be allowed to get away with actions which are detrimental to my and others well-being. If i wanted to breathe in smoke, i would smoke,if i wanted to see and breathe flares i am sure they are too readily available to buy,i wish to breathe nothing but fresh air and have a right to do so. So just to clarify, someone who bring a smoke bomb into a football ground is brain dead? Fucking hell, get a grip It is a illegal act,you cannot pick which laws to obey to suit your personal ideal`s,laws are there for the protection of all,i do think if you have asthma and it gets worse you will perhaps in the future change your mind on these issues,why should someones illegal and mindless actions require me to use oxygen for days!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 13:13:34 GMT
OK, you can't be arsed to complain about smoking - that's your right. So why are you bothered to moan about those who do complain about smoke bombs and/or smoking - that is their right. Because i see people moaning about smoke bombs, and it does my head in, so that's why i bring up the smoking. Moaning for the sake of it. if no-one in this world ever moaned because they (like you) think "Fuck it what's the point, it's just moaning for the sake of it" then there would never have been any progress.... women wouldn't be allowed to vote black people would still be slaves homosexuals would still be imprisoned etc. etc. you may think this is going over the top but i assure you it isn't...as you mentioned smoking because it's the same principle as smoke bombs (which it really isn't anyway but leaving that aside for a moment) then all of these can be applied using the same principle of your argument of "Moaning for the sake of it". if no-one had moaned, stood up and thought "Right, enough's enough" then NONE of these things (and thousands of others as well) would ever have changed; they were changed because some people decided to "Moan for the sake of it". yes, they were eventually changed because people took the correct legal and judicial steps to change them but before those steps there would have been countless people "moaning for the sake of it" in pubs, homes, offices etc. around the country to their mates and family...those groups then realise it isn't just them after all, there are others of similar standpoints, they group together, form protests, marches etc. and eventually legal steps are taken to change things that people don't like. the changes that happen that really make a difference NEVER would have come about without people initially "Moaning for the sake of it"..THAT is where change ALWAYS starts! now, fair enough you don't see it as an issue (presumably judging by virtually every post you've made so far, on the grounds of "It doesn't affect me personally so fuck it") but many people obviously do given the fact there's only about 3 people on this entire thread and every other one we've had on this subject that actually think it's fine and not a problem. just because they don't share your complete apathetic stance and "I'm alright Jack" philosophy is no reason to simply dismiss them or tell them to stop going on about it...it's precisely these kind of people that actually make real changes in the world whilst the apathetic groups like yourself sit back, do fuck all let everyone else do the work for them. if you don't agree with them then fair enough but don't dismiss them simply because they have more gumption than you and can actually be arsed to voice their opinion about something.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2015 13:18:41 GMT
Because i see people moaning about smoke bombs, and it does my head in, so that's why i bring up the smoking. Moaning for the sake of it. if no-one in this world ever moaned because they (like you) think "Fuck it what's the point, it's just moaning for the sake of it" then there would never have been any progress.... women wouldn't be allowed to vote black people would still be slaves homosexuals would still be imprisoned etc. etc. you may think this is going over the top but i assure you it isn't...as you mentioned smoking because it's the same principle as smoke bombs (which it really isn't anyway but leaving that aside for a moment) then all of these can be applied using the same principle of your argument of "Moaning for the sake of it". if no-one had moaned, stood up and thought "Right, enough's enough" then NONE of these things (and thousands of others as well) would ever have changed; they were changed because some people decided to "Moan for the sake of it". yes, they were eventually changed because people took the correct legal and judicial steps to change them but before those steps there would have been countless people "moaning for the sake of it" in pubs, homes, offices etc. around the country to their mates and family...those groups then realise it isn't just them after all, there are others of similar standpoints, they group together, form protests, marches etc. and eventually legal steps are taken to change things that people don't like. the changes that happen that really make a difference NEVER would have come about without people initially "Moaning for the sake of it"..THAT is where change ALWAYS starts! now, fair enough you don't see it as an issue (presumably judging by virtually every post you've made so far, on the grounds of "It doesn't affect me personally so fuck it") but many people obviously do given the fact there's only about 3 people on this entire thread and every other one we've had on this subject that actually think it's fine and not a problem. just because they don't share your complete apathetic stance and "I'm alright Jack" philosophy is no reason to simply dismiss them or tell them to stop going on about it...it's precisely these kind of people that actually make real changes in the world whilst the apathetic groups like yourself sit back, do fuck all let everyone else do the work for them. if you don't agree with them then fair enough but don't dismiss them simply because they have more gumption than you and can actually be arsed to voice their opinion about something. Thank you very much.
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Post by draytonstokie on Mar 18, 2015 15:55:02 GMT
Moaning because i do not see why some knuckle dragging brain-dead antisocial arse-holes should ,by committing a criminal act be allowed to get away with actions which are detrimental to my and others well-being. If i wanted to breathe in smoke, i would smoke,if i wanted to see and breathe flares i am sure they are too readily available to buy,i wish to breathe nothing but fresh air and have a right to do so. So just to clarify, someone who bring a smoke bomb into a football ground is brain dead? Fucking hell, get a grip Thanks for only taking exception with the brain dead descriptor. We can all take heart from the fact that you agree that those responsible are knuckle dragging anti social arseholes that comit criminal offences. There is hope yet. The irony of you moaning about others moaning is simply brilliant. Long may the moaners keep moaning in the hope that both antisocial and criminal acts are highlighted so that the majority can enjoy what the minority want to spoil.
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Post by NottsMatt on Mar 19, 2015 0:20:52 GMT
So just to clarify, someone who bring a smoke bomb into a football ground is brain dead? Fucking hell, get a grip Thanks for only taking exception with the brain dead descriptor. We can all take heart from the fact that you agree that those responsible are knuckle dragging anti social arseholes that comit criminal offences. There is hope yet. The irony of you moaning about others moaning is simply brilliant. Long may the moaners keep moaning in the hope that both antisocial and criminal acts are highlighted so that the majority can enjoy what the minority want to spoil. People that smoke in the toilets etc are also committing 'criminal offences. Lets ban every one that commits 'antisocial and criminal acts', you'd end up with an away end full of the old moaning farts off here, maybe 'that's the way football has gone'? What ever happened to lads having a good time with mates? An away day for most lads is all about the beer, singing and atmosphere. Not about moaning like little babies about a bit of a smoke bomb like it's going to kill them, a bit of beer on your jacket or someone having too much ale, its his day, his money, his choice. Fact is if we keep highlighting the smoke bombs on here we will only make it worse for our selves? Let it go FFS
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 19, 2015 7:00:15 GMT
Thanks for only taking exception with the brain dead descriptor. We can all take heart from the fact that you agree that those responsible are knuckle dragging anti social arseholes that comit criminal offences. There is hope yet. The irony of you moaning about others moaning is simply brilliant. Long may the moaners keep moaning in the hope that both antisocial and criminal acts are highlighted so that the majority can enjoy what the minority want to spoil. People that smoke in the toilets etc are also committing 'criminal offences. Lets ban every one that commits 'antisocial and criminal acts', you'd end up with an away end full of the old moaning farts off here, maybe 'that's the way football has gone'? What ever happened to lads having a good time with mates? An away day for most lads is all about the beer, singing and atmosphere. Not about moaning like little babies about a bit of a smoke bomb like it's going to kill them, a bit of beer on your jacket or someone having too much ale, its his day, his money, his choice. Fact is if we keep highlighting the smoke bombs on here we will only make it worse for our selves? Let it go FFS Care to explain that statement? In what way will moaning about illegal smoke bombs "make it worse for ourselves?" It might make it worse for you personally, as you seem to get easily upset about it - but I suggest that the lack of support for your comments on this thread suggests you are in a very small minority.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 19, 2015 7:32:33 GMT
Moaning because i do not see why some knuckle dragging brain-dead antisocial arse-holes should ,by committing a criminal act be allowed to get away with actions which are detrimental to my and others well-being. If i wanted to breathe in smoke, i would smoke,if i wanted to see and breathe flares i am sure they are too readily available to buy,i wish to breathe nothing but fresh air and have a right to do so. So just to clarify, someone who bring a smoke bomb into a football ground is brain dead? Fucking hell, get a grip Incosiderate, irresponsible, stupid, and another few I could type if I wanted to, but your summation fits perfectly fella
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 19, 2015 10:00:18 GMT
Thanks for only taking exception with the brain dead descriptor. We can all take heart from the fact that you agree that those responsible are knuckle dragging anti social arseholes that comit criminal offences. There is hope yet. The irony of you moaning about others moaning is simply brilliant. Long may the moaners keep moaning in the hope that both antisocial and criminal acts are highlighted so that the majority can enjoy what the minority want to spoil. People that smoke in the toilets etc are also committing 'criminal offences. Lets ban every one that commits 'antisocial and criminal acts', you'd end up with an away end full of the old moaning farts off here, maybe 'that's the way football has gone'? What ever happened to lads having a good time with mates? An away day for most lads is all about the beer, singing and atmosphere. Not about moaning like little babies about a bit of a smoke bomb like it's going to kill them, a bit of beer on your jacket or someone having too much ale, its his day, his money, his choice. Fact is if we keep highlighting the smoke bombs on here we will only make it worse for our selves? Let it go FFS Keep banging your head,it may well activate a brain cell or two ,if any are present, as for smoke bombs not killing i think other people may think differently, i have watched Stoke for many years now (probably a higher number than your I.Q.) and have never thought the atmosphere would be improved by a bit of acrid smoke obscuring the view
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Post by moaty on Mar 19, 2015 10:07:03 GMT
People that smoke in the toilets etc are also committing 'criminal offences. Lets ban every one that commits 'antisocial and criminal acts', you'd end up with an away end full of the old moaning farts off here, maybe 'that's the way football has gone'? What ever happened to lads having a good time with mates? An away day for most lads is all about the beer, singing and atmosphere. Not about moaning like little babies about a bit of a smoke bomb like it's going to kill them, a bit of beer on your jacket or someone having too much ale, its his day, his money, his choice. Fact is if we keep highlighting the smoke bombs on here we will only make it worse for our selves? Let it go FFS Keep banging your head,it may well activate a brain cell or two ,if any are present, as for smoke bombs not killing i think other people may think differently, i have watched Stoke for many years now (probably a higher number than your I.Q.) and have never thought the atmosphere would be improved by a bit of acrid smoke obscuring the view I've honestly never seen someone go on and on about a smoke bomb like you lot. As Nottsmatt said, i was at villa away where i was absolutely covered in alcohol, and also smelt like i had been smoking myself. I for one hate smoking and hate alcohol being thrown over me needlessly, but not made several threads about it. I just enjoyed the atmosphere in the concourse - i guess I'm such a bad person thats 'brain dead' If you don't think smoke bombs improve the atmosphere you've obviously never seen a game abroad. P.S - this happens most away games.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 19, 2015 10:14:55 GMT
Keep banging your head,it may well activate a brain cell or two ,if any are present, as for smoke bombs not killing i think other people may think differently, i have watched Stoke for many years now (probably a higher number than your I.Q.) and have never thought the atmosphere would be improved by a bit of acrid smoke obscuring the view I've honestly never seen someone go on and on about a smoke bomb like you lot. As Nottsmatt said, i was at villa away where i was absolutely covered in alcohol, and also smelt like i had been smoking myself. I for one hate smoking and hate alcohol being thrown over me needlessly, but not made several threads about it. I just enjoyed the atmosphere in the concourse - i guess I'm such a bad person thats 'brain dead' If you don't think smoke bombs improve the atmosphere you've obviously never seen a game abroad. P.S - this happens most away games. IT POLLUTES THE ATMOSPHERE!!!!!!
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Post by crownmeking on Mar 19, 2015 10:15:58 GMT
Wow, just reading through this thread, I didn't know we have some many brain shy 'supporters'.
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Post by moaty on Mar 19, 2015 11:06:20 GMT
I've honestly never seen someone go on and on about a smoke bomb like you lot. As Nottsmatt said, i was at villa away where i was absolutely covered in alcohol, and also smelt like i had been smoking myself. I for one hate smoking and hate alcohol being thrown over me needlessly, but not made several threads about it. I just enjoyed the atmosphere in the concourse - i guess I'm such a bad person thats 'brain dead' If you don't think smoke bombs improve the atmosphere you've obviously never seen a game abroad. P.S - this happens most away games. IT POLLUTES THE ATMOSPHERE!!!!!! So does driving to the game.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 19, 2015 11:11:34 GMT
IT POLLUTES THE ATMOSPHERE!!!!!! So does driving to the game. Driving to the game is legal,what you seem to be unable to grasp is the other activities you condone are not,law`s are passed to protect the majority from a small minority of with no regard for other people.
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Post by moaty on Mar 19, 2015 11:20:12 GMT
So does driving to the game. Driving to the game is legal,what you seem to be unable to grasp is the other activities you condone are not,law`s are passed to protect the majority from a small minority of with no regard for other people. What you seem to be unable to grasp is the fact I'm not condoning anything, neither am i saying smoke bombs are legal. You said it pollutes the air - i was just stating a fact about cars being driven pollutes the air. Smoke bombs wont stop all at football games - likewise to smoking in toilets. So if it bothers you that much go and watch the vale.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 19, 2015 11:30:36 GMT
Driving to the game is legal,what you seem to be unable to grasp is the other activities you condone are not,law`s are passed to protect the majority from a small minority of with no regard for other people. What you seem to be unable to grasp is the fact I'm not condoning anything, neither am i saying smoke bombs are legal. You said it pollutes the air - i was just stating a fact about cars being driven pollutes the air. Smoke bombs wont stop all at football games - likewise to smoking in toilets. So if it bothers you that much go and watch the vale. Why should i after 50+ years of support be forced to stop attending by a very small minority doing something illegal,smoking in the toilets at half time i can cope with, i don`t go to the toilets.smoke bomb flares can be set off anywhere at any time by the mindless minority,that is my problem but i fear that argument is beyond your comprehension.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 19, 2015 11:36:41 GMT
Keep banging your head,it may well activate a brain cell or two ,if any are present, as for smoke bombs not killing i think other people may think differently, i have watched Stoke for many years now (probably a higher number than your I.Q.) and have never thought the atmosphere would be improved by a bit of acrid smoke obscuring the view I've honestly never seen someone go on and on about a smoke bomb like you lot. As Nottsmatt said, i was at villa away where i was absolutely covered in alcohol, and also smelt like i had been smoking myself. I for one hate smoking and hate alcohol being thrown over me needlessly, but not made several threads about it. I just enjoyed the atmosphere in the concourse - i guess I'm such a bad person thats 'brain dead' If you don't think smoke bombs improve the atmosphere you've obviously never seen a game abroad. P.S - this happens most away games. I'm interested in how smoke bombs actually improve the atmosphere? I've been at games with cracking atmospheres home and away over the years, not once did I think 'the only thing missing here is a smoke bomb or a flare'
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Post by Gods on Mar 19, 2015 11:40:07 GMT
I've honestly never seen someone go on and on about a smoke bomb like you lot. As Nottsmatt said, i was at villa away where i was absolutely covered in alcohol, and also smelt like i had been smoking myself. I for one hate smoking and hate alcohol being thrown over me needlessly, but not made several threads about it. I just enjoyed the atmosphere in the concourse - i guess I'm such a bad person thats 'brain dead' If you don't think smoke bombs improve the atmosphere you've obviously never seen a game abroad. P.S - this happens most away games. I'm interested in how smoke bombs actually improve the atmosphere? I've been at games with cracking atmospheres home and away over the years, not once did I think 'the only thing missing here is a smoke bomb or a flare' Oh come on You must have, or even if not I bet you thought to yourself, 'yep, you know what, actually that has lent a certain frisson to the afternoon'
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