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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 16, 2015 10:36:07 GMT
kinetic - if there is one of us that is ignorant you've clearly demonstrated that it's you. You've posted a link to a wikipedia site of a militant, extremist organisation and cherry picked a quote from it. I could just as easily post a link to combat 18 could I not? However, that would require me to be a totally ignorant dullard - which is at the very least what you seem to like to portray yourself as.
As for mumf, honestly you should find yourself a more 'niche' site (might I suggest combat 18) to vent your fury on the number of immigrants in the country and debate the corrective measures that should be taken to address the impending descent into 'race war' with your fellow racists / neo-nazi's / right wing fuckwits (delete as appropriate).
For the record, my comments are no more callous and nasty than the inferences you continually make within your own posts. You openly express racist and bigoted views and I have every right to condemn you for that - and if it escalates, it escalates - my consience is totally clear in that regard.
After all, there is a clear paralell between your idea to 'send them back to Pakistan' and the early Nazi notion of removing the Jews from 'Germany' and other surrounding Central European states - because in their eyes the Jews were evil. And here we have you stating that Pakistani's are sex criminals and hold values and views that are evil and they should be deported - despite the fact that they are British citizens. What if Pakistan were to (rightly) refuse to accept them? What them mumf? Shall we build a camp for them at Fegg Hayes and you can supervise their destruction, I mean they not 'compatible' with British society. If you take your views of this 'incompatibility' to their logically most extreme extension then isn't that where you end up?
Even you can see the similarities I'm sure. Your views and outlook are poisonous and yes, you are dangerous and deranged, judging by your horrible and deranged views of society. Expect to be held to account for what you say and if you can't handle that, stop saying it in this forum and go to combat 18 where you can surround yourself with similarly deranged fools.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 12:09:18 GMT
kinetic - if there is one of us that is ignorant you've clearly demonstrated that it's you. You've posted a link to a wikipedia site of a militant, extremist organisation and cherry picked a quote from it. I could just as easily post a link to combat 18 could I not? However, that would require me to be a totally ignorant dullard - which is at the very least what you seem to like to portray yourself as. As for mumf, honestly you should find yourself a more 'niche' site (might I suggest combat 18) to vent your fury on the number of immigrants in the country and debate the corrective measures that should be taken to address the impending descent into 'race war' with your fellow racists / neo-nazi's / right wing fuckwits (delete as appropriate). For the record, my comments are no more callous and nasty than the inferences you continually make within your own posts. You openly express racist and bigoted views and I have every right to condemn you for that - and if it escalates, it escalates - my consience is totally clear in that regard. After all, there is a clear paralell between your idea to 'send them back to Pakistan' and the early Nazi notion of removing the Jews from 'Germany' and other surrounding Central European states - because in their eyes the Jews were evil. And here we have you stating that Pakistani's are sex criminals and hold values and views that are evil and they should be deported - despite the fact that they are British citizens. What if Pakistan were to (rightly) refuse to accept them? What them mumf? Shall we build a camp for them at Fegg Hayes and you can supervise their destruction, I mean they not 'compatible' with British society. If you take your views of this 'incompatibility' to their logically most extreme extension then isn't that where you end up? Even you can see the similarities I'm sure. Your views and outlook are poisonous and yes, you are dangerous and deranged, judging by your horrible and deranged views of society. Expect to be held to account for what you say and if you can't handle that, stop saying it in this forum and go to combat 18 where you can surround yourself with similarly deranged fools. Complete and utter crap from start to finish. Lies , assumptions, generalisations and pure fantasy . I have never said that all Pakistanis are sex offenders or evil , but out of several,hundred thousand arriving every year with medieval warped indoctrination and religious beliefs , then this is clearly going to cause racial tensions . I judge any man or woman individually . I judge you as being a fucking idiot . Not once , but twice now you have made comments that are libellous and false . This is Britain not a suburb of Pakistan or Bangladesh . I don't care if you want to make false claims and accusations . It's your problem when shit hits the fan and you are getting very close to it . It's brainwashed arsrewipes like you who will continue to clean up this mess long after my generation has gone ...thank god .
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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 16, 2015 12:35:25 GMT
Mumf - you either being deliberatley obtuse or you are rattled because you know that you are wrong.
You haven't attempted to explain why you think it would be OK to deport British citizens to Pakistan? Of course this is because in your eyes they are not British, isn't it? Therin lies the crux of my argument. To me, that is a racist notion and instead of bleating on about libel and slander etc (by the way, given the course of this discussion and your posts on it and the way I've framed my responses you've absolutely no legal recourse so perhaps you should drop that idiotic notion), why don't you address that point?
For the record, I'd rather clean up this 'mess' than stand behind and support the community in taking us down a far more dangerous and uncivilised route.
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Post by S.O.N.S. on Mar 16, 2015 13:19:27 GMT
Mumf - you either being deliberatley obtuse or you are rattled because you know that you are wrong.
You haven't attempted to explain why you think it would be OK to deport British citizens to Pakistan? Of course this is because in your eyes they are not British, isn't it? Therin lies the crux of my argument. To me, that is a racist notion and instead of bleating on about libel and slander etc (by the way, given the course of this discussion and your posts on it and the way I've framed my responses you've absolutely no legal recourse so perhaps you should drop that idiotic notion), why don't you address that point?
For the record, I'd rather clean up this 'mess' than stand behind and support the community in taking us down a far more dangerous and uncivilised route. It's impossible to get Mumf to see, admit or understand where his thinking takes us and how it completely breaks down on a practical level. He won't answer your questions because he can't. He's a racist, a bully and a bigot who spends all his time on here being careful to stay just inside the upper limits of decency and legality. It's not exactly difficult to work out what's going on under his hood, but he'll never come out and tell you exactly what he really thinks because he knows that will almost certainly end up with a ban - and rightly so. He deflects the issues using ad-hominem and straw man arguments which can become annoyingly personal in the blink of an eye. So be careful what you reveal about yourself on here because there are a few troll persona's who like to take mental notes and then use them within ad-hominem arguments in an attempt to make their usually very feeble or flawed remarks carry some sort of weight. Weirdo's or rather one weirdo basically. As you say, there are other forums where Mumf would better blend into the wall to wall bigotry and racism with more like minded souls...but he prefers to stay on here and enjoy what he probably considers to be some form of notoriety - I mean he signs all his posts personally...says it all...
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 14:32:27 GMT
kinetic - if there is one of us that is ignorant you've clearly demonstrated that it's you. You've posted a link to a wikipedia site of a militant, extremist organisation and cherry picked a quote from it. I could just as easily post a link to combat 18 could I not? However, that would require me to be a totally ignorant dullard - which is at the very least what you seem to like to portray yourself as. As for mumf, honestly you should find yourself a more 'niche' site (might I suggest combat 18) to vent your fury on the number of immigrants in the country and debate the corrective measures that should be taken to address the impending descent into 'race war' with your fellow racists / neo-nazi's / right wing fuckwits (delete as appropriate). For the record, my comments are no more callous and nasty than the inferences you continually make within your own posts. You openly express racist and bigoted views and I have every right to condemn you for that - and if it escalates, it escalates - my consience is totally clear in that regard. After all, there is a clear paralell between your idea to 'send them back to Pakistan' and the early Nazi notion of removing the Jews from 'Germany' and other surrounding Central European states - because in their eyes the Jews were evil. And here we have you stating that Pakistani's are sex criminals and hold values and views that are evil and they should be deported - despite the fact that they are British citizens. What if Pakistan were to (rightly) refuse to accept them? What them mumf? Shall we build a camp for them at Fegg Hayes and you can supervise their destruction, I mean they not 'compatible' with British society. If you take your views of this 'incompatibility' to their logically most extreme extension then isn't that where you end up? Even you can see the similarities I'm sure. Your views and outlook are poisonous and yes, you are dangerous and deranged, judging by your horrible and deranged views of society. Expect to be held to account for what you say and if you can't handle that, stop saying it in this forum and go to combat 18 where you can surround yourself with similarly deranged fools. First sentence got bored. It's from the Haddith ya CLOWN but ignore that ???
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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 16, 2015 15:01:55 GMT
Well then you've quoted it wrong then haven't you as you clearly state it's taken from 'Chapter 1 of Hamas' - whatever that means.
Carry on doing what you do anyway. You're making yourself look more of a dullard than I possibly could on this forum anyway.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 16:03:35 GMT
Well then you've quoted it wrong then haven't you as you clearly state it's taken from 'Chapter 1 of Hamas' - whatever that means. Carry on doing what you do anyway. You're making yourself look more of a dullard than I possibly could on this forum anyway. No one can miss quote Mohamed get a grip. Hey them Trees in France though ?
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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 16, 2015 16:48:53 GMT
Well, since we seem to be making our arguments via Youtube videos, see my response above. What he is proposing is EXACTLY what I am doing to you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 16:52:34 GMT
Good greif .....there is some vitriol flying about on here .
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 17:54:03 GMT
Well, since we seem to be making our arguments via Youtube videos, see my response above. What he is proposing is EXACTLY what I am doing to you. Whats ya point ? Nawjed is one the good guys why his videos ???
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 17:58:48 GMT
Well then you've quoted it wrong then haven't you as you clearly state it's taken from 'Chapter 1 of Hamas' - whatever that means. Carry on doing what you do anyway. You're making yourself look more of a dullard than I possibly could on this forum anyway. Errr NO I haven't.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 18:11:04 GMT
Who are Hamas ? What is their charter ?? haha ya go ask em twitter.com/AskHamas sure this page only runs on the vague hope everyone is as clueless as you.
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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 16, 2015 18:12:30 GMT
Jesus Christ (pardon the pun), are you actually that thick? What he is saying is that within the Islamic community there has been a failure of the moderates to condemn the radical elements and to effectively 'self-police' itself. This is one of the reasons that Islamism has been on the increase.
Now, hopefully you've managed to wrap your pea-brain around the concept and can therefore understand that YOU are the radical element in the part of society in which I operate. Obviously you are not alone. Fingers crossed you are still following. So as you can see, it is my duty to speak up when racist and bigoted views are expressed. Just as it is for those moderate Muslims to object when extremist views are expressed internally.
My advice to you would be to go and educate yourself and become a more tolerant and forward looking person. No doubt you'll take the easy option and continue to explain the world around you through racism and bigotry. Good luck to you.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 18:15:07 GMT
Jesus Christ (pardon the pun), are you actually that thick? What he is saying is that within the Islamic community there has been a failure of the moderates to condemn the radical elements and to effectively 'self-police' itself. This is one of the reasons that Islamism has been on the increase. Now, hopefully you've managed to wrap your pea-brain around the concept and can therefore understand that YOU are the radical element in the part of society in which I operate. Obviously you are not alone. Fingers crossed you are still following. So as you can see, it is my duty to speak up when racist and bigoted views are expressed. Just as it is for those moderate Muslims to object when extremist views are expressed internally. My advice to you would be to go and educate yourself and become a more tolerant and forward looking person. No doubt you'll take the easy option and continue to explain the world around you through racism and bigotry. Good luck to you. Yup 25yr ago I got me head round that. Anyway who are Hamas hahaha.
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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 16, 2015 18:16:32 GMT
Who is Hamas? So now you are trying to educate me on the finer details of the Arab-Israeli conflict?
Now without resorting to google, why don't you explain to us who Hamas are and give us a brief history of their formation and the evolution of the organisation? You don't need to go back beyond 1945 when Britain relocated hundreds of thousands of Jews to Palestine. Start at 1947. Let's see how much you actually understand.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Mar 16, 2015 18:24:52 GMT
kinetic - if there is one of us that is ignorant you've clearly demonstrated that it's you. You've posted a link to a wikipedia site of a militant, extremist organisation and cherry picked a quote from it. I could just as easily post a link to combat 18 could I not? However, that would require me to be a totally ignorant dullard - which is at the very least what you seem to like to portray yourself as. As for mumf, honestly you should find yourself a more 'niche' site (might I suggest combat 18) to vent your fury on the number of immigrants in the country and debate the corrective measures that should be taken to address the impending descent into 'race war' with your fellow racists / neo-nazi's / right wing fuckwits (delete as appropriate). For the record, my comments are no more callous and nasty than the inferences you continually make within your own posts. You openly express racist and bigoted views and I have every right to condemn you for that - and if it escalates, it escalates - my consience is totally clear in that regard. After all, there is a clear paralell between your idea to 'send them back to Pakistan' and the early Nazi notion of removing the Jews from 'Germany' and other surrounding Central European states - because in their eyes the Jews were evil. And here we have you stating that Pakistani's are sex criminals and hold values and views that are evil and they should be deported - despite the fact that they are British citizens. What if Pakistan were to (rightly) refuse to accept them? What them mumf? Shall we build a camp for them at Fegg Hayes and you can supervise their destruction, I mean they not 'compatible' with British society. If you take your views of this 'incompatibility' to their logically most extreme extension then isn't that where you end up? Even you can see the similarities I'm sure. Your views and outlook are poisonous and yes, you are dangerous and deranged, judging by your horrible and deranged views of society. Expect to be held to account for what you say and if you can't handle that, stop saying it in this forum and go to combat 18 where you can surround yourself with similarly deranged fools. Thats a fair few assumptions and of course the usual anyone who is against uncontrolled immigration is a racist rubbish. I'm not sure where this leaves Trevor Phillips, who seems to have realised the mistakes he made. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2996235/At-man-dares-tell-truth-race-Ex-race-tsar-says-silencing-debate-devastating-harm-Britain.htmlSeems you have more in line with Blair? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2996841/I-RIGHT-open-Britain-s-borders-hundreds-thousands-Eastern-European-migrants-insists-Tony-Blair.htmlFinally, I didn't realise you'd taken ownership of the board, or is it just arrogance that allows someone to tell others to go and post elsewhere as you don't agree with their views?
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Post by S.O.N.S. on Mar 16, 2015 18:32:48 GMT
Who is Hamas? So now you are trying to educate me on the finer details of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Now without resorting to google, why don't you explain to us who Hamas are and give us a brief history of their formation and the evolution of the organisation? You don't need to go back beyond 1945 when Britain relocated hundreds of thousands of Jews to Palestine. Start at 1947. Let's see how much you actually understand. Didn't we move some Indians around as well and in the process create Pakistan? I think we have an obligation to find positive solutions for our much of our ancestors handiwork. I think that if we all learned a little more about our history, then perhaps we would feel a little more inclined to look for peaceful outcomes for the current situations we now face. After all, it's ignorance that fuels racism and bigotry.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 18:40:31 GMT
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 18:43:32 GMT
Who is Hamas? So now you are trying to educate me on the finer details of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Now without resorting to google, why don't you explain to us who Hamas are and give us a brief history of their formation and the evolution of the organisation? You don't need to go back beyond 1945 when Britain relocated hundreds of thousands of Jews to Palestine. Start at 1947. Let's see how much you actually understand. Hamas are Mohamed the end.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Mar 16, 2015 18:43:30 GMT
Who is Hamas? So now you are trying to educate me on the finer details of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Now without resorting to google, why don't you explain to us who Hamas are and give us a brief history of their formation and the evolution of the organisation? You don't need to go back beyond 1945 when Britain relocated hundreds of thousands of Jews to Palestine. Start at 1947. Let's see how much you actually understand. Didn't we move some Indians around as well and in the process create Pakistan? 8-| I think we have an obligation to find positive solutions for our much of our ancestors handiwork. I think that if we all learned a little more about our history, then perhaps we would feel a little more inclined to look for peaceful outcomes for the current situations we now face. After all, it's ignorance that fuels racism and bigotry. I've never moved anyone from anywhere, and I don't know anyone who has. I'm also quite proud of my ancestors handywork, one of them in particular, who landed in Nazi occupied France on D-day. Theres no guilt complex here the same as I don't expect teenage Germans to have one about Hitler.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 16, 2015 18:45:51 GMT
Who is Hamas? So now you are trying to educate me on the finer details of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Now without resorting to google, why don't you explain to us who Hamas are and give us a brief history of their formation and the evolution of the organisation? You don't need to go back beyond 1945 when Britain relocated hundreds of thousands of Jews to Palestine. Start at 1947. Let's see how much you actually understand. Didn't we move some Indians around as well and in the process create Pakistan? I think we have an obligation to find positive solutions for our much of our ancestors handiwork. I think that if we all learned a little more about our history, then perhaps we would feel a little more inclined to look for peaceful outcomes for the current situations we now face. After all, it's ignorance that fuels racism and bigotry. Yes , maybe a few need to look at Palestine
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Post by S.O.N.S. on Mar 16, 2015 18:50:22 GMT
Didn't we move some Indians around as well and in the process create Pakistan? I think we have an obligation to find positive solutions for our much of our ancestors handiwork. I think that if we all learned a little more about our history, then perhaps we would feel a little more inclined to look for peaceful outcomes for the current situations we now face. After all, it's ignorance that fuels racism and bigotry. I've never moved anyone from anywhere, and I don't know anyone who has. I'm also quite proud of my ancestors handywork, one of them in particular, who landed in Nazi occupied France on D-day. Theres no guilt complex here the same as I don't expect teenage Germans to have one about Hitler. That's naughty. Who said anything about guilt? And where did I say that all our ancestors handiwork was ill advised? Please try and read the posts i've written in the way in which they are communicated, within the context of the argument. I'm talking about understanding. And my Grandad was fired upon at D-day as well.
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 19:09:47 GMT
Who is Hamas? So now you are trying to educate me on the finer details of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Now without resorting to google, why don't you explain to us who Hamas are and give us a brief history of their formation and the evolution of the organisation? You don't need to go back beyond 1945 when Britain relocated hundreds of thousands of Jews to Palestine. Start at 1947. Let's see how much you actually understand. If ya want get down to the finer points. Why are there Arabs in Israel/Palestine ?? Bet that was from when Mohamed was peacefully converting them all ?? So many cut off heads.........................................................
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 19:14:34 GMT
Who is Hamas? So now you are trying to educate me on the finer details of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Now without resorting to google, why don't you explain to us who Hamas are and give us a brief history of their formation and the evolution of the organisation? You don't need to go back beyond 1945 when Britain relocated hundreds of thousands of Jews to Palestine. Start at 1947. Let's see how much you actually understand. If ya want get down to the finer points. Why are there Arabs in Israel/Palestine ?? Bet that was from when Mohamed was peacefully converting them all ?? So many cut off heads......................................................... You make yourself look dafter with every fucking post
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 19:14:53 GMT
Who is Hamas? So now you are trying to educate me on the finer details of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Now without resorting to google, why don't you explain to us who Hamas are and give us a brief history of their formation and the evolution of the organisation? You don't need to go back beyond 1945 when Britain relocated hundreds of thousands of Jews to Palestine. Start at 1947. Let's see how much you actually understand. Didn't we move some Indians around as well and in the process create Pakistan? I think we have an obligation to find positive solutions for our much of our ancestors handiwork. I think that if we all learned a little more about our history, then perhaps we would feel a little more inclined to look for peaceful outcomes for the current situations we now face. After all, it's ignorance that fuels racism and bigotry.[/quo Every civilisation throughout history has made mistakes , it's the nature of our species ....there are plenty more to be made in the future , I'm not going down the route of apologising for this country and its mistakes as is the modern trend of things ....to be honest I'm a little proud of what we have achieved and prefer not to see it belittled .
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 19:18:03 GMT
If ya want get down to the finer points. Why are there Arabs in Israel/Palestine ?? Bet that was from when Mohamed was peacefully converting them all ?? So many cut off heads......................................................... You make yourself look dafter with every fucking post I try.. but where did the Jewish/Christian majority go in the M East ?? Just disappeared !!! what happened ???
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Post by kinetic on Mar 16, 2015 19:24:09 GMT
Didn't we move some Indians around as well and in the process create Pakistan? I think we have an obligation to find positive solutions for our much of our ancestors handiwork. I think that if we all learned a little more about our history, then perhaps we would feel a little more inclined to look for peaceful outcomes for the current situations we now face. After all, it's ignorance that fuels racism and bigotry.[/quo Every civilisation throughout history has made mistakes , it's the nature of our species ....there are plenty more to be made in the future , I'm not going down the route of apologising for this country and its mistakes as is the modern trend of things ....to be honest I'm a little proud of what we have achieved and prefer not to see it belittled . Had 3 Islamic States before how wonderful they where. Started slavery. Being British you would understand that ?? Destroyed Rome. Just leave it at that and nothing has changed.
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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 16, 2015 19:37:20 GMT
I haven't tried to take ownership of the board, nor do I want to. But open racism and bigotry should be treated with contempt. All I'm doing is merely countering that with the response it deserves. I have been on this board (or various guises of the oatcake) for over 10 years and this is not a new act from mumf. So forgive me for speaking out on behalf of values such as intergration, inclusion, respect and decency.
The point I was making about Hamas' origins wasn't intended to link to the fact that Britain was involved in the relocation of Jews to the area after the Holocaust and I don't subscribe to either uncontrolled immigration nor colonial apoligism. The point was intended to show that Hamas grew as a result of an occupation - it does not reflect the view of many muslims outside that immediate area and I don't see how any reasonable person could use it to taint the whole of the islamic faith. Neither in fact, do quotes from the Quran nor do those from the Bible. These books were both written thousands of years ago in a totally different time. The islamic community in this country (and all over Europe) should shoulder much of blame for the rise of Islamism amongst it's youth. But the fact is, the people are as British as you and I. We have to become part of the solution and no add continue to contribute to the problem through racism.
These are my views and I have as much right to express them as anybody else. The difference is I do not have an agenda that aims to victimise people on the basis of their colour, class or creed. Mumf and kinetic do, so naturally there is a clash. And I don't believe these views have a place on a public, majority forum. So what? How does that make me arrogant?
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Post by boothenboy75 on Mar 16, 2015 19:43:17 GMT
Didn't we move some Indians around as well and in the process create Pakistan? 8-| I think we have an obligation to find positive solutions for our much of our ancestors handiwork. I think that if we all learned a little more about our history, then perhaps we would feel a little more inclined to look for peaceful outcomes for the current situations we now face. After all, it's ignorance that fuels racism and bigotry.[/quo Every civilisation throughout history has made mistakes , it's the nature of our species ....there are plenty more to be made in the future , I'm not going down the route of apologising for this country and its mistakes as is the modern trend of things ....to be honest I'm a little proud of what we have achieved and prefer not to see it belittled . Spot on mate, this country has far more to be proud of than ashamed. That some people prefer to concentrate on the negatives says more abot them than owt else. Anyone trying to use our history as some form of reason for racism is border line insane. I think this columnist probably had ************** in mind. blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100284604/the-self-loathing-of-the-british-left-is-now-a-problem-for-us-all/
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Post by boothenboy75 on Mar 16, 2015 19:49:55 GMT
I haven't tried to take ownership of the board, nor do I want to. But open racism and bigotry should be treated with contempt. All I'm doing is merely countering that with the response it deserves. I have been on this board (or various guises of the oatcake) for over 10 years and this is not a new act from mumf. So forgive me for speaking out on behalf of values such as intergration, inclusion, respect and decency. The point I was making about Hamas' origins wasn't intended to link to the fact that Britain was involved in the relocation of Jews to the area after the Holocaust and I don't subscribe to either uncontrolled immigration nor colonial apoligism. The point was intended to show that Hamas grew as a result of an occupation - it does not reflect the view of many muslims outside that immediate area and I don't see how any reasonable person could use it to taint the whole of the islamic faith. Neither in fact, do quotes from the Quran nor do those from the Bible. These books were both written thousands of years ago in a totally different time. The islamic community in this country (and all over Europe) should shoulder much of blame for the rise of Islamism amongst it's youth. But the fact is, the people are as British as you and I. We have to become part of the solution and no add continue to contribute to the problem through racism. These are my views and I have as much right to express them as anybody else. The difference is I do not have an agenda that aims to victimise people on the basis of their colour, class or creed. Mumf and kinetic do, so naturally there is a clash. And I don't believe these views have a place on a public, majority forum. So what? How does that make me arrogant? Your views don't make you arrogant, your as entitled to them as anybody. It's the belief that you can tell others expressing their views that they shouldn't post on here, that suggests arrogance. If anyones posted anything racist (which you keep claiming people have) can you provise 1 link to 1 racist comment? Also, there are of course ways to report all of these racist comments, if you are that way inclined, ever explored this avenue?
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