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Post by manumasochist on Mar 6, 2015 19:50:01 GMT
Look masochist, personally I have no problem with you being on here and trading views but to parade your clubs colours at 50.5% = annoyingly big is taking the old Michael just a touch. Looking at your last post I feel as if I have been abused by some super dodgy smelly old bloke in the public toilets, which is not good coming from an old bloke........basically what I am saying is you should behave fella! Sorry, but I didn't know how to resize it and I wasn't doing it to piss you all off. I did it in response to a belligerent poster. I'll remove it out of respect to Stoke.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 6, 2015 19:50:42 GMT
He said he'll only pick Harry Kane if a spot becomes available Words fail me as it sounds like it's all a closed shop Is there any truth in the rumour that there is a clique of England internationals who tell Hodgson who to pick? I heard a whisper that the clique are opposed Hodgson picking Ryan.
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Post by hstoke on Mar 6, 2015 20:01:47 GMT
Who should the England manager be? No obvious candidate at the moment. what about Brian Clough he'd do better job than woy even though he is six foot under ground !!!!!!!!
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Post by viewfrominside on Mar 6, 2015 20:07:16 GMT
Who should the England manager be? No obvious candidate at the moment. Michael Laudrup would be my choice, with Gary Neville as assistant manager. I'd just give it Neville if he wanted it
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 6, 2015 20:10:02 GMT
Michael Laudrup would be my choice, with Gary Neville as assistant manager. I'd just give it Neville if he wanted it I think you should check with Mrs Neville first.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 6, 2015 20:12:58 GMT
So you're admitting your defence is Championship standard. Well, I wouldn't give Johnny Evans that much credit to say he's Championship quality, but he's Irish anyway. Rojo is an Argie, Raphael is Brazilian, but with Smalling, Shaw & Jones, United still have one of the best defenses (statistically) in the league. Of course, if it was only about defense and United only had English defenders then I might admit that, but it isn't and they don't. We'll see how good after they have played Chelsea, ManC, Liverpool, Spurs, and Arsenal again. ManU have to meet more of the top 7 teams than any of the other top 7 and could be dependent on the likes of Stoke/Swansea/WHU/Necastle to take points of the other top 7 teams for them to keep their 4th position, which IMO flatters them. I remember during the first half of last season everyone was raving about how good Arsenal were and how they were running away with the Prem. The reality was the fixture programme was skewed so that they didn't start playing other top teams away till mid December.
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Post by boscfc on Mar 6, 2015 20:15:45 GMT
Look masochist, personally I have no problem with you being on here and trading views but to parade your clubs colours at 50.5% = annoyingly big is taking the old Michael just a touch. Looking at your last post I feel as if I have been abused by some super dodgy smelly old bloke in the public toilets, which is not good coming from an old bloke........basically what I am saying is you should behave fella! Sorry, but I didn't know how to resize it and I wasn't doing it to piss you all off. I did it in response to a belligerent poster. I'll remove it out of respect to Stoke. If you could remove the pseudo-intellectual condescending undertone from every one of your posts that would also be appreciated. Out of respect for Stoke like. Cheers duck.
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Post by M on Mar 6, 2015 20:18:05 GMT
The thing is the greatest manager in the world wouldn't get us winning a major trophy, because we're not good enough YET. There's boys coming through though who COULD get us there. We need someone technically minded that'll bring these boys through. Personally I still think Hoddle is the best we've got to do that but he'll never get another chance
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 6, 2015 20:18:20 GMT
Michael Laudrup would be my choice, with Gary Neville as assistant manager. I'd just give it Neville if he wanted it As good a player as he was and pundit he is, he has no real managerial experience to speak of. I'd like it to be an Englishman and of the ones available, Alan Pardew is the best of a pretty poor bunch. The days of shady car dealers types like El Tel Venables, should be put behind us too, so that's why I didn't consider Sam Allerdyce.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 6, 2015 20:21:19 GMT
Sorry, but I didn't know how to resize it and I wasn't doing it to piss you all off. I did it in response to a belligerent poster. I'll remove it out of respect to Stoke. If you could remove the pseudo-intellectual condescending undertone from every one of your posts that would also be appreciated. Out of respect for Stoke like. Cheers duck. Do you ever get the feeling you just can't do right by some people, no matter what you do?
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Post by boscfc on Mar 6, 2015 20:28:34 GMT
If you could remove the pseudo-intellectual condescending undertone from every one of your posts that would also be appreciated. Out of respect for Stoke like. Cheers duck. Do you ever get the feeling you just can't do right by some people, no matter what you do? That's the spirit!
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Post by viewfrominside on Mar 6, 2015 20:29:18 GMT
I'd just give it Neville if he wanted it As good as player as he was and pundit he is, he has no real managerial experience to speak of. I'd like it to be an Englishman and of the ones available, Alan Pardew is the best of a pretty poor bunch. The days of shady car dealers types like El Tel Venables, should be put behind us too, so that's why I didn't consider Sam Allerdyce. I'd give it Neville on the basis he couldn't do any worse than Capello and Hodgson, both of which have lots of International managerial experience. With many trophies and International caps for England to his name the playersif worth their salt would have respect for him
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 6, 2015 20:32:24 GMT
The thing is the greatest manager in the world wouldn't get us winning a major trophy, because we're not good enough YET. There's boys coming through though who COULD get us there. We need someone technically minded that'll bring these boys through. Personally I still think Hoddle is the best we've got to do that but he'll never get another chance I don't think it's the quality of the players, but the way they're prepared and a below average management team. Friendlies are used to try out younger players, who have already proved themselves in the leagues and aren't going to feature in the qualifying games, then those who play in the qualifiers haven't really had enough time to work together.
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Post by 2004 on Mar 6, 2015 20:38:01 GMT
Look masochist, personally I have no problem with you being on here and trading views but to parade your clubs colours at 50.5% = annoyingly big is taking the old Michael just a touch. Looking at your last post I feel as if I have been abused by some super dodgy smelly old bloke in the public toilets, which is not good coming from an old bloke........basically what I am saying is you should behave fella! Sorry, but I didn't know how to resize it and I wasn't doing it to piss you all off. I did it in response to a belligerent poster. I'll remove it out of respect to Stoke. Thanks
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Post by Roy Cropper on Mar 6, 2015 20:37:59 GMT
Teams with far worse squads are consistently out performing England, the man is a dinosaur.
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Post by stokewombat on Mar 6, 2015 20:40:30 GMT
I think I'd still pick Harry Rednapp to be the next England manager.
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Post by stokewombat on Mar 6, 2015 20:43:34 GMT
... or Chris Haughton.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 6, 2015 20:45:22 GMT
As good as player as he was and pundit he is, he has no real managerial experience to speak of. I'd like it to be an Englishman and of the ones available, Alan Pardew is the best of a pretty poor bunch. The days of shady car dealers types like El Tel Venables, should be put behind us too, so that's why I didn't consider Sam Allerdyce. I'd give it Neville on the basis he couldn't do any worse than Capello and Hodgson, both of which have lots of International managerial experience. With many trophies and International caps for England to his name the playersif worth their salt would have respect for him If I was to pick a manager, I wouldn't do it based on International Team management experience, unless it was someone who actually won an International tournament like the World cup, Euro cup, Copa America etc. Being an international manager, doesn't mean they've been all that successful, because they only compete seriously, every couple of years. I'd be more inclined to look at a manager who has been successful in several European leagues, speaks good English and is not from somewhere that might have a negative opinion of England, such as Scots, Irish and Argentinians. Ideally, a top English manager that has recently had such experience but sadly, they don't exist. Mourinho would be a candidate, but there's no getting him from Chel$ki. Northern Irish managers might work (depending on which side of the divide they sit), such as Martin O'Neal, Neil Lennon or Brendan Rogers, although they would need more overseas experience.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 6, 2015 20:46:46 GMT
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Post by Roy Cropper on Mar 6, 2015 20:48:38 GMT
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Post by viewfrominside on Mar 6, 2015 20:52:26 GMT
I'd give it Neville on the basis he couldn't do any worse than Capello and Hodgson, both of which have lots of International managerial experience. With many trophies and International caps for England to his name the playersif worth their salt would have respect for him If I was to pick a manager, I wouldn't do it based on International Team management experience, unless it was someone who actually won an International tournament like the World cup, Euro cup, Copa America etc. Being an international manager, doesn't mean they've been all that successful, because they only compete seriously, every couple of years. I'd be more inclined to look at a manager who has been successful in several European leagues, speaks good English and is not from somewhere that might have a negative opinion of England, such as Scots, Irish and Argentinians. Ideally, a top English manager that has recently had such experience but sadly, they don't exist. Mourinho would be a candidate, but there's no getting him from Chel$ki. Northern Irish managers might work (depending on which side of the divide they sit), such as Martin O'Neal, Neil Lennon or Brendan Rogers, although they would need more overseas experience. This is why Hodgson will keep his job there isn't an outstanding candidate. Neville for me would be fresh and I could see the players buying into that, i'm not saying he'd be mega successful but he is obviously tactically aware so he could grow into the job in time
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 6, 2015 21:16:18 GMT
If I was to pick a manager, I wouldn't do it based on International Team management experience, unless it was someone who actually won an International tournament like the World cup, Euro cup, Copa America etc. Being an international manager, doesn't mean they've been all that successful, because they only compete seriously, every couple of years. I'd be more inclined to look at a manager who has been successful in several European leagues, speaks good English and is not from somewhere that might have a negative opinion of England, such as Scots, Irish and Argentinians. Ideally, a top English manager that has recently had such experience but sadly, they don't exist. Mourinho would be a candidate, but there's no getting him from Chel$ki. Northern Irish managers might work (depending on which side of the divide they sit), such as Martin O'Neal, Neil Lennon or Brendan Rogers, although they would need more overseas experience. This is why Hodgson will keep his job there isn't an outstanding candidate. Neville for me would be fresh and I could see the players buying into that, i'm not saying he'd be mega successful but he is obviously tactically aware so he could grow into the job in time The F.A. should certainly do something better than training courses with coaching badges and the best managers aren't necessarily the best players. Ferguson is a prime example. Perhaps the F.A. should create more of a vocational coaching University for ex English players, who have played at any professional level and who pass an aptitude test? We're certainly not going to get good managers from the Premier League, because the league will always cherry pick from all over the world, just like they do with players. If the F.A. aren't going to improve the quality of English managers, no one will. It shouldn't be left to random chance that a player gets an opportunity at a coaching role in a lower league and works his way up, or because he was a top player, or well liked, he walks into a Premier League job. There are probably hundreds of Englishmen who love football, weren't successful enough as a player, but would have made an outstanding manager if they were given a chance to learn the trade and learning professionally, instead of trial an error in the hot seat.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 6, 2015 21:18:23 GMT
Sorry to be negative but I don't think there any potential English managers who could successfully manage England.
I also think there is a lack of character in English players generally. How many go and ply their trade in other countries? How many go to successfully manage? How many go on to be leaders in the FA, or in club administration? I'm afraid life is too easy for them to develop the discipline, self constraint. constancy to purpose, resilience in adversity, selflessness, and other qualities that make a champion and successful team player. They are not without ambition but the ambition is more focused on making money and participating in the celebrity culture.
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Post by lordb on Mar 6, 2015 21:21:10 GMT
I'd like to see G.Neville prove himself first. I think a rookie manager would be given no chance by the media.
Laudrup is a left field answer. Hmm. Have to think about that one.
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Post by ************** on Mar 6, 2015 21:28:39 GMT
I was quite supportive of Hodgson after all on here were calling for his head after our WC.
But i'm totally sick and tired of him now. Defending Rooney's dive at PNE was the last bloody straw. I honestly don't think you need a tactical guru at International level these day, I think you need a talisman. I also think whoever manages the full international squad should manage the U-21's.
Sean Dyche or even Rio Ferdinand would be a better option. How can Roy Hodgson hope to inspire the likes of Raheem Sterling? There's a clear disconnect and his partial destruction of Ryan's International career is a fucking disgrace. Get rid of this old clown.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Mar 6, 2015 21:44:51 GMT
Who should the England manager be? No obvious candidate at the moment. Fuck it, I'll give it a whirl. I've got no experience, tactical nous or aptitude for man management. In short, I'm over qualified if anything.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 6, 2015 21:56:00 GMT
Who should the England manager be? No obvious candidate at the moment. what about Brian Clough he'd do better job than woy even though he is six foot under ground !!!!!!!! Shawcross, make Woy his No2, on the day of his first match he takes Woy to one side and tells him to fuck off he is sacked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 23:32:27 GMT
Should have been out of a job after the World Cup debacle. How he was never sacked I'll never know, he's a fucking dinosaur that needs to piss off
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Post by retired1 on Mar 7, 2015 0:33:02 GMT
He has use of a free box at Southampton as long as he is England manager, he cant turn that down.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 7, 2015 8:24:34 GMT
All things borne in mind I don't think Roy is that bad really. It would however be silly to make any decision until we see how 2016 goes.
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