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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 6, 2015 11:04:16 GMT
Surprising that all these years in, we've never really lost a player we wanted to keep. But we do have 3 or 4 assets that top clubs would covet - and two of them are entering their final year which would make them very tasty targets.
We hold all the cards with Shawcross and Bojan (and his injury has reduced the chances of him leaving this year to negligible anyway), so if they did go, we'd get top, top dollar.
But the Begovic and N'Zonzi contract situation is a worry as those two would be incredibly hard to replace. I'm sure they're relatively content - but if a top club asked the question this summer, would we have to sell to protect ourselves?
If we can reach August 31st with those two still on board, it'll be the biggest relief of the summer
Odemwingie (2015)
Wilkinson (2015)
Sorensen (2015)
Palacios (2015)
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Begovic (2016)
N'Zonzi (2016)
Wilson (2016)
Cameron (2016)
Walters (2016)
Huth (2016)
Sidwell (2016)
Adam (2016)
Ness (2016)
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Muniesa (2017)
Pieters (2017)
Butland (2017)
Arnautovic (2017)
Bardsley (2017)
Ireland (2017)
Teixeira (2017)
Whelan (2017)
Crouch (2017)
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Shawcross (2018)
Bojan (2018)
Diouf (2018)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:13:44 GMT
In reply to this. I think that we are now in a position to bring in someone of equal quality, if the said transfer goes ahead. I would like to think that the players concerned would want to stay, because I am now more than confident that we are going places.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:15:53 GMT
No we are a buying club on the cusp of something big, the future is bright more to come.
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Post by werrington on Mar 6, 2015 11:17:39 GMT
This I feel is where Pulis got lucky as he was given over £100m and kept all the crown Jewell's so did not have to wheel and deal ( let's not turn this into a Pulis thread I was just making comparisons )
I've said for a while now that one of those players will eventually leave to enable self sufficiency
Players heads will also get turned
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Post by werrington on Mar 6, 2015 11:20:58 GMT
No we are a buying club on the cusp of something big, the future is bright more to come. Self sufficiency mate We may be 8th but with wages and honours we'll always be down the pecking order It's not just this country but top clubs in Europe will also start hovering and if the player wishes to leave it's no good standing in their way |
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 6, 2015 11:21:38 GMT
Getting to the point now where begos contract situation has got to be addressed he could sign a pre contract agreement with another club in 9 months . The lack of news on his future is worrying as I'm sure the club must have tried to extend and improve his terms
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:25:34 GMT
Lets look at Stoke:
Solid Prem team : Check.
Well run financially: Check.
Good manager and staff: Check.
Paying good wages: Check.
Buying quality players: Check.
Good ground with sound fan base: Check.
Looking to expand: Check.
Play attractive football: Check.
Profile growing every season: Check.
On the verge of something special: Check.
Why leave the grass is not always better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:25:35 GMT
If we want to be self sufficent we have to accept that we will have to sell the crown jewels every couple of seasons. Selling Begovic for £12m for arguments sake and replacing him with Butland makes sense if the £12m was to be spent on 2 quality players from abroad. To do this though you have to have total faith in your scouting and recruitment team, along with your Academy set up. I'm not sure we're we're in that place yet.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:27:44 GMT
No we are a buying club on the cusp of something big, the future is bright more to come. Self sufficiency mate We may be 8th but with wages and honours we'll always be down the pecking order It's not just this country but top clubs in Europe will also start hovering and if the player wishes to leave it's no good standing in their way Ah but we are not Crewe players leave every club fact of life but atm we will replace before we sell IMHO. We are not a selling club not in the sence of the surviving just staff turnover. |
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Post by werrington on Mar 6, 2015 11:30:54 GMT
Self sufficiency mate We may be 8th but with wages and honours we'll always be down the pecking order It's not just this country but top clubs in Europe will also start hovering and if the player wishes to leave it's no good standing in their way Ah but we are not Crewe players leave every club fact of life but atm we will replace before we sell IMHO. We are not a selling club not in the sence of the surviving just staff turnover. That's because we support Stoke you think like that... but in a players mind a Tottenham, Liverpool etc offer a better chance of silverware and wages That's the reality |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 6, 2015 11:31:16 GMT
Didn't Bego give an interview a week or so back which suggested he wanted to stay and win things at Stoke if at all possible? I'd always assumed until then that he would be off this summer but that interview changed my opinion somewhat. I suppose, just as every player has his price as far as the club is concerned, every player considers wages as well as other factors when he decides whether to extend a contract. But Bego's interview certainly didn't sound like a bloke who was actively seeking to leave nor someone who would make the size of the weekly wage the most significant factor in his contract negotiations.
I think there is a good chance that he'll stay although we must accept that, if he does, that raises problems about keeping Jack Butland who will have joined us in the expectation of playing Premier League football sooner or later.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:37:02 GMT
Ah but we are not Crewe players leave every club fact of life but atm we will replace before we sell IMHO. We are not a selling club not in the sence of the surviving just staff turnover. That's because we support Stoke you think like that... but in a players mind a Tottenham, Liverpool etc offer a better chance of silverware and wages That's the reality yep I agree but at the moment we are a very good option for players sometimes we put ourselves down, seen enough players leave , Chambo, Stieno , Bertie, Thorne is recent years but the thing was then they were leaving for better teams and or we needed the money. That is not the case now we can compete and should be too. We are not little Stoke anymore we are a bloody good club I just hope the club take the same view.We should be evolving the squad but crown jewels come and go, fact of life but we can now replace not sell to survive. The King is dead long live the King. |
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 11:45:22 GMT
Lets look at Stoke: Solid Prem team : Check. Well run financially: Check. Good manager and staff: Check. Paying good wages: Check. Buying quality players: Check. Good ground with sound fan base: Check. Looking to expand: Check. Play attractive football: Check. Profile growing every season: Check. On the verge of something special: Check. Why leave the grass is not always better. Agree with all those except the expand one. We're behind in that respect. N'Zonzi for me is one of the hardest players in the team to replace. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:47:02 GMT
Kudos to the OP for not making the common mistake of spelling lose as "loose" - good work fella......
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Post by 2004 on Mar 6, 2015 11:48:58 GMT
Not this summer but I have a feeling that we will have an amazing season next year and we will lose all our players after that.
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 11:53:02 GMT
The 2016 players are going to drop in value with only 1 year of contract left. That is why I have pretty much undervalued them since I doubt we could get more.
Odemwingie (2015) - If back to full fitness offer 1 year contract
Wilkinson (2015) - Bye
Sorensen (2015) - Bye
Palacios (2015)- Fuck off
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Begovic (2016) - Sell for 10m+ or keep
N'Zonzi (2016)- Sell for 7m+ or keep
Wilson (2016) - Not worth selling
Cameron (2016) - 6m+ or keep
Walters (2016) - Not worth selling
Huth (2016)- 2m+ or keep
Sidwell (2016) - 2m+ or keep
Adam (2016)- Not worth selling
Ness (2016) - Give away
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:55:44 GMT
Not this summer but I have a feeling that we will have an amazing season next year and we will lose all our players after that. Why is that ? thinking of the Southampton effect ? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 6, 2015 11:56:20 GMT
Didn't Bego give an interview a week or so back which suggested he wanted to stay and win things at Stoke if at all possible? I'd always assumed until then that he would be off this summer but that interview changed my opinion somewhat. I suppose, just as every player has his price as far as the club is concerned, every player considers wages as well as other factors when he decides whether to extend a contract. But Bego's interview certainly didn't sound like a bloke who was actively seeking to leave nor someone who would make the size of the weekly wage the most significant factor in his contract negotiations. I think there is a good chance that he'll stay although we must accept that, if he does, that raises problems about keeping Jack Butland who will have joined us in the expectation of playing Premier League football sooner or later. I think if he did re-sign, it'd only be with a clause allowing him to talk to certain teams who offer a certain (lowish) fee? As has been said in the past, there are probably only a handful of teams who'd fit the bill in offering him regular football at an elite club and one of them has got to decide he's their man. Liverpool have got to be a threat although Mignolet has improved a bit, Arsenal still haven't nailed the position down, Real Madrid have been mentioned, as have JuventusIf the fee has scared them off in the past, it probably wouldn't do this summer as our leverage would be much reduced and he just isn't going to turn down one of that lot, is he? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 6, 2015 11:56:43 GMT
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 12:02:08 GMT
Got a feeling that Beggo will be off.
If he doesn't sign an extension then I would assume he'll become nbr 2 behind Butland. But if he signs an extension then Butland will no doubt want to leave the season after. In which case we would have to invest in another keeper.
Therefore, I assume that we'll sell Beggo, promote Butland, use a bit of the cash on a backup and still make a hefty profit. Butland would then sign a new contract and his resale value would increase significantly.
The other alternative being that Beggo signs a new contract and we sell Butland for a decent amount instead.
Either way, we can't keep both happy and I presume that Butland will be looking at which direction his own career is heading with the limited opportunities he's getting.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 6, 2015 12:11:54 GMT
I'm more worried about the Manager leaving.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 6, 2015 12:14:29 GMT
Didn't Bego give an interview a week or so back which suggested he wanted to stay and win things at Stoke if at all possible? I'd always assumed until then that he would be off this summer but that interview changed my opinion somewhat. I suppose, just as every player has his price as far as the club is concerned, every player considers wages as well as other factors when he decides whether to extend a contract. But Bego's interview certainly didn't sound like a bloke who was actively seeking to leave nor someone who would make the size of the weekly wage the most significant factor in his contract negotiations. I think there is a good chance that he'll stay although we must accept that, if he does, that raises problems about keeping Jack Butland who will have joined us in the expectation of playing Premier League football sooner or later. I think if he did re-sign, it'd only be with a clause allowing him to talk to certain teams who offer a certain (lowish) fee? As has been said in the past, there are probably only a handful of teams who'd fit the bill in offering him regular football at an elite club and one of them has got to decide he's their man. Liverpool have got to be a threat although Mignolet has improved a bit, Arsenal still haven't nailed the position down, Real Madrid have been mentioned, as have JuventusIf the fee has scared them off in the past, it probably wouldn't do this summer as our leverage would be much reduced and he just isn't going to turn down one of that lot, is he? You may be right, Grapey - time will tell!  |
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 12:17:46 GMT
I'm more worried about the Manager leaving. That's true. I actually don't think we have any player that's irreplaceable. Though I'd prefer not to lose any of the more technical players. |
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Post by pyrus on Mar 6, 2015 12:21:17 GMT
Lets look at Stoke: Solid Prem team : Check. Well run financially: Check. Good manager and staff: Check. Paying good wages: Check. Buying quality players: Check. Good ground with sound fan base: Check. Looking to expand: Check. Play attractive football: Check. Profile growing every season: Check. On the verge of something special: Check. Why leave the grass is not always better. However... Not playing European football: Check Not winning trophies: Check Not one of the high profile teams: Check Not very high wage payers: Check if you were one of our top players, interesting bigger clubs, there is quite a lot that could tempt you away. |
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 12:26:25 GMT
Lets look at Stoke: Solid Prem team : Check. Well run financially: Check. Good manager and staff: Check. Paying good wages: Check. Buying quality players: Check. Good ground with sound fan base: Check. Looking to expand: Check. Play attractive football: Check. Profile growing every season: Check. On the verge of something special: Check. Why leave the grass is not always better. However... Not playing European football: Check Not winning trophies: Check Not one of the high profile teams: Check Not very high wage payers: Check if you were one of our top players, interesting bigger clubs, there is quite a lot that could tempt you away. To be fair, our profile is increasing week on week at the moment. Even had SJW on Talksport chatting with Durham and Goughy yesterday. Now if that's not big time, then spank my arse and call me pwingy. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 6, 2015 12:28:28 GMT
I think begos moment has passed to be honest. This season his form dipped early on maybe as after effect of World Cup. I remember us all saying last year he's worth more than de Gea at 15-20 million.
Real Madrid will definitely not be interested anymore. I could see Liverpool look for mignolet replacement.
Actually I think he's found his level with us. He's good but not world class
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 6, 2015 12:47:41 GMT
Very possibly Grapey.
And lord knows, we should be doing all we reasonably can to keep them here & happy. Primarily, like continuing our upward trajectory & being in with a shout of wining something pretty soon).
That said - and while it might be very unsavoury to even discuss it in dark corridors at B365 Towers - like any other talent business, it is also something that needs to, and should, have a contingency for each & every eventuality.
Bojan looks the 'safest' and Shawcross' back might quash the annual whispers this summer. The other two? Zonz seems to have buttoned it lately & I'm sure I saw him smile recently, so who knows? But Bego must be the biggest risk, yes, but...
...PC knows the show must go on and if there aren't contingencies in place for each potential departure (or even injury) then the pizza crew need their crust stuffing.
It is obviously a snapshot in LMH's 'time' here but, thinking positively, the fear of potential departures is a problem that I really hope lessens enormously as & when we add the next one, two (& so on) more key players.
Starting this summer obviously. 
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Post by stokerstayinup on Mar 6, 2015 12:47:58 GMT
I think this season has shown more than ever that there will be no need to worry if we lose x,y or z.Having said that I'd give N'Zonzi a 5 year contract tomorrow.
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Post by unknown182 on Mar 6, 2015 12:49:09 GMT
You have to ponder who would be interested in which players. If you take someone like N'Zonzi, would he be guaranteed first team football at any club above us?. Arsenal, Spurs, Man city, and Chelsea are all overflowing with midfield players. The only realistic option is probably Southampton. But would they want to offer big money for him when they could bring someone through the academy or look for a bargain from abroad?.
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Post by foster on Mar 6, 2015 12:51:58 GMT
You have to ponder who would be interested in which players. If you take someone like N'Zonzi, would he be guaranteed first team football at any club above us?. Arsenal, Spurs, Man city, and Chelsea are all overflowing with midfield players. The only realistic option is probably Southampton. But would they want to offer big money for him when they could bring someone through the academy or look for a bargain from abroad?. That's true, he wouldn't get into any side above us aside from maybe Southampton, but they wouldn't be much (if any) of a step up so no reason for him to leave. Then again, if it's money he wants then he could go to Newcastle, Everton or Sunderland in the hope that they'll compete better next season. |
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